Landis Testing Positive

I don't believe it either ............ actually, no, it is entirely
expected.

Gory details at
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/other_sports/cycling/5221122.stm

Sort of gives a nice symetry to the Tour, the two top favourites not
being allowed to start, and the third favourite being found positive
after winning the damn thing!!

Prepare for "1001 Riders Excuses" part 5004 - those drugs were for me
dog ........ erm, no the mother-in-law etc etc etc

oh for F*&ksake!

What next ???

I like many others here spent the last 3 weeks watching this stuff and I for
one was cheering Landis all the way.

I guess he should be innocent until proven guilty, let's hope it's all some
terrible mistake .......

dannyfrankszzz said:

I can't believe this! Pro cycling has to be about the biggest joke
going.

And there was me cheering Landis on Stage 17.

God, I feel like such an idiot.

Yeah what a shame - I was afraid he might do a Roberto Heras (Spain 05)
and be stripped of his title after the event, making the whole of the
final day of celebration a farce. For the yellow jersey at least.

--
Simon Mason

dannyfrankszzz said the following on 27/07/2006 15:31:

Quoted message said:

I can't believe this! Pro cycling has to be about the biggest joke
going.

"The American, who claimed victory in the Tour de France on Sunday, has
tested positive for the male sex hormone testosterone."

Maybe I've missed something, but isn't it normal for a male to have
testosterone???

--
Paul Boyd
http://www.paul-boyd.co.uk/

dannyfrankszzz said:

I can't believe this! Pro cycling has to be about the biggest joke
going.

And there was me cheering Landis on Stage 17.

God, I feel like such an idiot.

We all though he looked like he was too aggressive to be true!
:-((
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2006/jul06/jul27news3

Paul Boyd said:

dannyfrankszzz said the following on 27/07/2006 15:31:

Quoted message said:

I can't believe this! Pro cycling has to be about the biggest joke
going.

"The American, who claimed victory in the Tour de France on Sunday, has
tested positive for the male sex hormone testosterone."

Maybe I've missed something, but isn't it normal for a male to have
testosterone???

--
Paul Boyd
http://www.paul-boyd.co.uk/

AIUI, there's a set permitted level. If you're found to be above this,
it's assumed you must have reached that level by unnatural means.
Similar to the way they test for blood doping, I think

bookieb.

Paul Boyd said:

Maybe I've missed something, but isn't it normal for a male to have
testosterone???

It's the ratio between various hormones that's checked. Anomulous values
tend to point to doping with hormones.

Arthur

--
Arthur Clune

in message <[email hidden]>, Paul

Boyd (') said:

dannyfrankszzz said the following on 27/07/2006 15:31:

Quoted message said:

I can't believe this! Pro cycling has to be about the biggest joke
going.

"The American, who claimed victory in the Tour de France on Sunday, has
tested positive for the male sex hormone testosterone."

Maybe I've missed something, but isn't it normal for a male to have
testosterone???

Yes, within certain ranges. More improves your performance. What's
alleged is than Landis' level after the 17th stage was 'anomalous',
which I think is a polite way of saying 'outside the natural range'.
Although, of course, different people differ in their natural levels of
testosterone.

--
[email hidden] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

Wise man with foot in mouth use opportunity to clean toes.
;; the Worlock

I can't believe anyone would be so stupid take a substance knowing that if
he won the stage a test for drugs would be automatic.

quote=''dannyfrankszzz said:

I can't believe this! Pro cycling has to be about the biggest joke
going.

And there was me cheering Landis on Stage 17.

God, I feel like such an idiot.

Yeah what a shame - I was afraid he might do a Roberto Heras (Spain 05)
and be stripped of his title after the event, making the whole of the
final day of celebration a farce. For the yellow jersey at least.

--
Simon Mason[/QUOTE]

Not sure what you mena there =Simon, if he cheated, and particulalry on teh day when he won by 8 minutes, then he deserves to be struck from the records as winner. After all that's what happensin athletics.

I'm also a bit confused by this comment from Phonak:"If the result of the B sample analysis confirms the result of the A sample, the rider will be dismissed and will then pass the corresponding endocrinological examinations" Surely if the B sample confirms the test result (and there really is no reason why it shouldn't unles the lab uses faulty equipment), then surely you try and prove that he is medical anomoly, and his particular levels are usually that high, and if that fails then you sack him.

I'll keep watching pro-cycling, and I'll keep asking myself, how much netter than me are they really (answer LOTS :-)

Bryan

"Rusty Spokes" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

I can't believe anyone would be so stupid take a substance knowing that if
he won the stage a test for drugs would be automatic.

Have to agree with that - given the appearance of Landis when he crossed the
line at Morzine (delight/anger/revenge ...) then his body was probably
producing vast and varying quantities of all the natural chemicals !

RG

Rusty Spokes said:

I can't believe anyone would be so stupid take a substance knowing that if
he won the stage a test for drugs would be automatic.

S'pose if you are desperate to win then it's worth a gamble that you
might get away with it. Although I don't believe that *any* drug could
have made Landis do what he did.

<[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Rusty Spokes said:

I can't believe anyone would be so stupid take a substance knowing that
if
he won the stage a test for drugs would be automatic.

S'pose if you are desperate to win then it's worth a gamble that you
might get away with it. Although I don't believe that *any* drug could
have made Landis do what he did.

I'm more worried about what the other teams took to let him do what he did -
did they get [censored] the night before in celebration or something? :-)

Sure it was a strong ride - but was it any stronger than say Rasmussen or
even Pererio's break?

cheers,
clive

RG said:

"Rusty Spokes" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

I can't believe anyone would be so stupid take a substance knowing that if
he won the stage a test for drugs would be automatic.

Have to agree with that - given the appearance of Landis when he crossed the
line at Morzine (delight/anger/revenge ...) then his body was probably
producing vast and varying quantities of all the natural chemicals !

RG

If it's at all possible that the heat of battle, so to speak, could
affect the levels of hormones to the point of affecting test results,
perhaps they need to start taking samples before and after the races.
Might make for an interesting study, if nothing else.

I think I'll forego watching the TdF next year and just spend the time
out on my bike instead. Probably be more enjoyable and certainly less
prone to disappointment.

Jeff

in message <[email hidden]>, Rusty Spokes

(') said:

I can't believe anyone would be so stupid take a substance knowing that
if he won the stage a test for drugs would be automatic.

He was drinking a lot of water. I assumed it was in response to bonking
with dehydration the previous day, but others are saying that it was to
flush the drugs out of his system. He took SEVENTY bidons from the team
car - admittedly he emptied a lot of those over himself, but seventy...
you could bath in that.

--
[email hidden] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

;; An enamorata is for life, not just for weekends.

in message <[email hidden]>, Simon

Brooke (') said:

in message <[email hidden]>, Paul

Boyd (') said:

dannyfrankszzz said the following on 27/07/2006 15:31:

Quoted message said:

I can't believe this! Pro cycling has to be about the biggest joke
going.

"The American, who claimed victory in the Tour de France on Sunday,
has tested positive for the male sex hormone testosterone."

Maybe I've missed something, but isn't it normal for a male to have
testosterone???

Yes, within certain ranges. More improves your performance. What's
alleged is than Landis' level after the 17th stage was 'anomalous',
which I think is a polite way of saying 'outside the natural range'.
Although, of course, different people differ in their natural levels of
testosterone.

Addendum to that: this page
http://www.rcpamanual.edu.au/sections/pathologytest.asp?s=33&i=601
explains the test and the rationale behind it.

--
[email hidden] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

'there are no solutions, only precipitates'

Quoted message said:

I think I'll forego watching the TdF next year and just spend the time
out on my bike instead. Probably be more enjoyable and certainly less
prone to disappointment.

I didn't have much time to watch the Tour this year, but I have several
stage highlights programmes on tape, including stage 17. I was looking
forward to finding some time to catch up with what sounded like an epic
day's cycling. Don't think I'll bother now. I'm /very/ disappointed.

d.

Simon Brooke said:

flush the drugs out of his system. He took SEVENTY bidons from the team
car - admittedly he emptied a lot of those over himself, but seventy...
you could bath in that.

Most of them did go over his head - I saw some of the coverage. They are
also small bidons. It's still a lot of water to drink mind.

--
Arthur Clune

Arthur Clune wrote on 27/07/2006 18:19 +0100:

Quoted message said:

Simon Brooke said:

flush the drugs out of his system. He took SEVENTY bidons from the team
car - admittedly he emptied a lot of those over himself, but seventy...
you could bath in that.

Most of them did go over his head - I saw some of the coverage. They are
also small bidons. It's still a lot of water to drink mind.

At that level of effort in that heat I would have had to drink a lake to
replace the loss through sweating.

--
Tony

"Anyone who conducts an argument by appealing to authority is not using
his intelligence; he is just using his memory."
- Leonardo da Vinci