Lightning

"Arnold" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Trying to plan a summer walk of Hadrian's Wall and was wondering if thunderstorms are a problem in
the UK in the summer months and how

frequently

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walkers are injured by lightning strikes?

Arnold Walkers are very infrequently struck by lightning in the UK, but if you are caught out in a
storm the probability increases although I have not been able to find a number for this to be able
to state how significantly. The usual advice for mountaineers caught out in a storm is to find a
hollow and squat down in it, balancing on the balls of the feet, the idea being that a hollow in
unlikely to be the subject of a strike, and if there is a strike nearby that creates a potential
difference in the ground, you are unlikely to become the path of least resistance.

An example of the non mountaineering advice proffered may be found at ara-ara-Open ↗
rowing.org/news/030730_lightningadvice.php thet

Earlier in the year on Jura I was caught out in very open ground with a storm approaching, and
discovered just how fast it is possible to travel over Scottish tussock grass :-))

Drive carefully and leave the golf clubs at home! Cheers Graham

"Arnold" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Trying to plan a summer walk of Hadrian's Wall and was wondering if thunderstorms are a problem in
the UK in the summer months and how

frequently

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walkers are injured by lightning strikes?

Arnold Walkers are very infrequently struck by lightning in the UK, but if you are caught out in a
storm the probability increases although I have not been able to find a number for this to be able
to state how significantly. The usual advice for mountaineers caught out in a storm is to find a
hollow and squat down in it, balancing on the balls of the feet, the idea being that a hollow in
unlikely to be the subject of a strike, and if there is a strike nearby that creates a potential
difference in the ground, you are unlikely to become the path of least resistance.

An example of the non mountaineering advice proffered may be found at ara-ara-Open ↗
rowing.org/news/030730_lightningadvice.php thet

Earlier in the year on Jura I was caught out in very open ground with a storm approaching, and
discovered just how fast it is possible to travel over Scottish tussock grass :-))

Drive carefully and leave the golf clubs at home! Cheers Graham

Arnold said:

Trying to plan a summer walk of Hadrian's Wall and was wondering if thunderstorms are a problem in
the UK in the summer months and how frequently walkers are injured by lightning strikes?

You *might* get the odd thunderstorm, but only the odd one, and it's unlikely to be a problem (a)
anyway and (b) especially somewhere relatively low lying like Hadrian's Wall. Executive Summary is
you don't need to bother worrying about it: in terms of risk you're far, far, far more likely to
get run over.

Pete.
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Arnold said:

Trying to plan a summer walk of Hadrian's Wall and was wondering if thunderstorms are a problem in
the UK in the summer months and how frequently walkers are injured by lightning strikes?

Chance of a storm is low - chance of being hit is very low.

You are much more likley to fall off the Wall and kill yourself that way.

Chris Street <[email hidden]> wrote

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(Arnold) said:

I live in the suburbs of Atlanta and thunderstorms can be a little

disconcerting

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especially for someone with an irrational fear of lightning.

I purchased a BBC video on Weather and learned that the warm water of the Gulf Stream affects
weather in the UK and that tornadoes also occur in Great

Britain

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though supposedly on a smaller and less damaging scale.

Tornadoes are very common in Britain. Usually about 400ft and 400knts, making a god awful noise
flying along some valley somewhere. Apparantly it's called the sound of Freedom.

I'll see your tornadoes and raise you three Hercules in line astern at what seemed like 100ft* in
the Dales a few years ago.

* Well, they're BIG, aren't they?
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Roger Chapman <[email hidden]> wrote

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Tornadoes are very common in Britain. Usually about 400ft and 400knts, making a god awful noise
flying along some valley somewhere. Apparantly it's called the sound of Freedom.

I'll see your tornadoes and raise you three Hercules in line astern at what seemed like 100ft* in
the Dales a few years ago.

Yes, but when did you last see a Lightning? (The EE one).

There's a small heap of molten aluminium just off the path above Godley reservoir near Glossop. That
was a P38, is that the one you mean?
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Gordon

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Roger Chapman <[email hidden]> wrote

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>Tornadoes are very common in Britain. Usually about 400ft and 400knts, making a god awful noise
>flying along some valley somewhere. Apparantly it's called the sound of Freedom.
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I'll see your tornadoes and raise you three Hercules in line astern at what seemed like 100ft*
in the Dales a few years ago.

Yes, but when did you last see a Lightning? (The EE one).

There's a small heap of molten aluminium just off the path above Godley reservoir near Glossop.
That was a P38, is that the one you mean?
:-)

Which path is that then? Might add something to tomorrow's dog walk.

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In article <[email hidden]>, Gordon <[email hidden]> writes

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There's a small heap of molten aluminium just off the path above Godley reservoir near Glossop.
That was a P38, is that the one you mean?
:-)

Which path is that then? Might add something to tomorrow's dog walk.

I checked. It's actually above and NE of Arnfield reservoir, a little farther afield for a dog walk!

We walked up Arnfield Lane and took the track going NE, to the South of Tintwistle Knarr. The heap
of metal with a short pole sticking up from the centre was about 2 or 3 km along the track, and a
few yards off it to the left, from memory.

The NGR given in the Dark Peak Wrecks book is SK 033 997. Forget it! I started from that point and
walked in ever-increasing circles watching my track on the GPS12, and found it at SK 03827 99146,
but this was before S/A was switched off. ;-)

I assume that the bits were gathered up and placed at the current location as a memorial. I seem to
recollect a plaque, but that could have disappeared by now.

On the way there we found an undercarriage strut and some gear wheels from a Lancaster, allegedly at
SK 034 993, very rough ground, but we found the bits on an easier eroded area somewhat East of that.
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Gordon

Roger Chapman <[email hidden]> wrote

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Yes, but when did you last see a Lightning? (The EE one).

There's a small heap of molten aluminium just off the path above Godley reservoir near Glossop.
That was a P38, is that the one you mean?

I am not well up on numeric designations.

AFAIK there have been 2 Lightning fighters. The first was an American twin prop job that made a
virtue out of its lack of manoeuvrability. The Other was the English Electric (later BAC)
supersonic jet. No idea which was a P38.

That was the former - the twin boom / twin prop version.
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There's a small heap of molten aluminium just off the path above Godley reservoir near Glossop.
That was a P38, is that the one you mean?
:-)

Which path is that then? Might add something to tomorrow's dog walk.

I checked. It's actually above and NE of Arnfield reservoir,

Oh.

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a little farther afield for a dog walk!

I'm sure the dog would be up for it but I shall have to wait until I get a bit more free time. Don't
tell him about it or he will be mithering me for days.

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We walked up Arnfield Lane and took the track going NE, to the South of Tintwistle Knarr. The heap
of metal with a short pole sticking up from the centre was about 2 or 3 km along the track, and a
few yards off it to the left, from memory.

The NGR given in the Dark Peak Wrecks book is SK 033 997. Forget it! I started from that point and
walked in ever-increasing circles watching my track on the GPS12, and found it at SK 03827 99146,
but this was before S/A was switched off. ;-)

I assume that the bits were gathered up and placed at the current location as a memorial. I seem to
recollect a plaque, but that could have disappeared by now.

On the way there we found an undercarriage strut and some gear wheels from a Lancaster,
allegedly at SK 034 993, very rough ground, but we found the bits on an easier eroded area
somewhat East of that.

Thanks for the info Gordon.

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John Laird <[email hidden]> wrote

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The former.

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I have a very vague recollection of building an Airfix P1127, but I may have got that wrong. I've
always thought it was a sort of proto-Lightning.

That was the prototype Harrier. Prototype Lightning was unimaginatively called the P1. I think
there's one in the Manchester Museum of Science and Industry. Not content with one hugely powerful
engine, they stuck another on top and then invited a pilot to sit atop both (eee, men were men back
then). It still holds some records for time to altitude (something like 600mph vertically).

8-) It was there on my last visit.
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Gordon

Chris Street <[email hidden]> wrote

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That was the prototype Harrier. Prototype Lightning was unimaginatively called the P1. I think
there's one in the Manchester Museum of Science and Industry. Not content with one hugely powerful
engine, they stuck another on top and then invited a pilot to sit atop both (eee, men were men
back then). It still holds some records for time to altitude (something like 600mph vertically).

Apart from a true VTOL aircraft like the Harrier and the YAK thingy, it's the only aircraft that
can climb vertically directly after takeoff. Something like a minute to get to 50,000ft from MSL as
I recall.

I was at RAF Upwood for an open day in 1956 or 57, and as electrician attached to the Tower I had a
super view of the show!

A Hawker Hunter did what amounted to a vertical climb, but that was after a fast, low level approach
which gave it a good start....

The same day, a Canberra bomber did the nearest I've seen to a loop, rolling out upright at the top
though, in an Immelman (?).
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Gordon

Chris Street <[email hidden]> wrote

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* Well, they're BIG, aren't they?

Try a C5 - then you know what the meaning of the word b i g is.......

I have a QSL card somewhere from a contact with a C3 crew member. That was before GPS, but he read
out his exact co-ordinates from the panel when I asked where he was.
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Gordon

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Yes, but when did you last see a Lightning? (The EE one).

I doubt if anyone will have seen one for years considering that my squadron converted to Lightnings
- and that was circa 1956?7

I last saw on in a display at St Athans in about mid 1980's (I think)
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In article <[email hidden]>, Gordon <[email hidden]> writes

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That was a P38, is that the one you mean?

The Lightning was like an over and under shotgun :-)
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In article <[email hidden]>, Roger Chapman
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AFAIK there have been 2 Lightning fighters. The first was an American twin prop job that made a
virtue out of its lack of manoeuvrability.

Quite correct! The American job had twin booms as well.

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In article <[email hidden]>, Gordon <[email hidden]> writes

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The same day, a Canberra bomber did the nearest I've seen to a loop, rolling out upright at the top
though, in an Immelman (?).
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Not forgetting that the Canberra did hold the world climbing record at that time.
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In article <[email hidden]>, Roger Chapman
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It also makes the distinction (in the immediate post Roman period) between the P-Celtic speaking
tribes to the south of the Forth and the Picts to the north. It also has "the Picts (originally
known to the Romans as the Caledonii and from the forth century as Pictii."

The P-Celtic bods were the Brythonic people as opposed to the Q-Celtic Geodelics.

The Picts were so called because they painted their bodies from which we get the word Picture.
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In article <[email hidden]>, W. D. Grey <[email hidden]> writes

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The P-Celtic bods were the Brythonic people as opposed to the Q-Celtic Geodelics.

There's me thinking tents again :-)

Goidelics it should be - I think :-)
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