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Tornadoes are very common in Britain. Usually about 400ft and 400knts, making a god awful noise
flying along some valley somewhere. Apparantly it's called the sound of Freedom.

I'll see your tornadoes and raise you three Hercules in line astern at what seemed like 100ft* in
the Dales a few years ago.

Yes, but when did you last see a Lightning? (The EE one).

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On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 16:03:45 GMT, Roger Chapman <[email hidden]>

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This coupled with the scenic but somewhat barren looking photos of Hadrian's Wall in the
brochures caused my imagination to leap to all sorts of possiblities.

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You'll be fine. Only thing to watch out for is hairy-arsed kilted Scots with blue faces
leaping over the Wall at you and chasing you south. (Just kidding, Hadrians Wall is not the
border any more.)

Not wanting to get at John particularly but why is it that:

a) Everybody seems to assume that Hadrians Wall was built to keep the Scots at bay? And

Well, I didn't say that exactly ! There were no Scots in Roman times (nor English really). The Picts
were further away to the North, and some other mob of barbarians inhabited that general area.

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b) Why does Rome's later more Northerly frontier rarely get as much as a stray mention?

Do pray tell. I've not heard of it, for one.

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On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 10:21:13 +0000, Gordon <[email hidden]>

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Chris Street <[email hidden]> wrote

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(Arnold) said:

I live in the suburbs of Atlanta and thunderstorms can be a little

disconcerting

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especially for someone with an irrational fear of lightning.

I purchased a BBC video on Weather and learned that the warm water of the Gulf Stream affects
weather in the UK and that tornadoes also occur in Great

Britain

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though supposedly on a smaller and less damaging scale.

Tornadoes are very common in Britain. Usually about 400ft and 400knts, making a god awful noise
flying along some valley somewhere. Apparantly it's called the sound of Freedom.

I'll see your tornadoes and raise you three Hercules in line astern at what seemed like 100ft* in
the Dales a few years ago.

* Well, they're BIG, aren't they?

Try a C5 - then you know what the meaning of the word b i g is.......
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Paul Saunders said:

Arnold said:

One does have to be careful, a pistol was displayed to my daughter in traffic on an expressway
recently

Yes of course. I imagine you're a lot more likely to be shot over there than struck by lightning
over here.

At about 11000 homicides per year, I should cocoa. Lightning kills about 5 or 6 per year in the yoo-
kay. (Possibly more, indirectly.)

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Roger Chapman said:

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Tornadoes are very common in Britain. Usually about 400ft and 400knts, making a god awful noise
flying along some valley somewhere. Apparantly it's called the sound of Freedom.

I'll see your tornadoes and raise you three Hercules in line astern at what seemed like 100ft* in
the Dales a few years ago.

Yes, but when did you last see a Lightning? (The EE one).

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There's one just to the north(?) of Doncaster in a very sorry state at a scrapyard. Err actually
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b) Why does Rome's later more Northerly frontier rarely get as much as a stray mention?

Do pray tell. I've not heard of it, for one.

The Antonine Wall. Not as substantial as Hadrian's being built largely of earth or turves on a
foundation. It ran from Bo'ness to Kirkpatrick, Firth of Forth to the Clyde.
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Not wanting to get at John particularly but why is it that:

a) Everybody seems to assume that Hadrians Wall was built to keep the Scots at bay? And

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Well, I didn't say that exactly ! There were no Scots in Roman times (nor English really).
The Picts were further away to the North, and some other mob of barbarians inhabited that
general area.

My invaluable dictionary has it that a Pict was "a member of any of the peoples who lived in Britain
north of the Forth and the Clyde in the first to the forth centuries AD: later applied chiefly to
the inhabitants of NE Scotland. Throughout Roman times the PIcts carried out border raids."

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b) Why does Rome's later more Northerly frontier rarely get as much as a stray mention?

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Do pray tell. I've not heard of it, for one.

Again from Collins Dictionary

"Hadrian's Wall: a fortified Roman wall ... extending from the Solway Firth in the West to the River
Tyne in the East. It was built in 120 - 123 AD on the orders of the Emporer Hadrian as a defence
against the N British tribes."

"Antonine Wall: a Roman frontier defence work across S Scotland, extending between the River Clyde
and the Firth of Forth. It was built in 142 AD on the orders of Antonius Pius."

A history book I have doesn't name the Antonine Wall but it is shown on a map which also deliniates
the extent of the Roman occupation as significantly further north - seemingly into the southern edge
of the Highlands.

It also makes the distinction (in the immediate post Roman period) between the P-Celtic speaking
tribes to the south of the Forth and the Picts to the north. It also has "the Picts (originally
known to the Romans as the Caledonii and from the forth century as Pictii."

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There were no Scots in Roman times

Indeed there were. Living on the island now known as Ireland for the most part.

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nor English really

Indeed there were. Larking around in the north German swamps for the most part.

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b) Why does Rome's later more Northerly frontier rarely get as much as a stray mention?

The Antonine wall was only in use for about 100 years or so, Hadrians for
c. 400.

Bernie

On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 10:34:39 +0000, Gordon <[email hidden]>

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A Hawker Hunter did what amounted to a vertical climb, but that was after a fast, low level
approach which gave it a good start....

I was in Germany (can't remember which base) and a Lightning came up behind the crowd, a couple of
hundred feet up. Then it was afterburners on and vertical - worth it just to see people jump
(including myself)! And the noise! Couldn't hear anything for minutes after. Wouldn't be allowed
nowadays, of course.

John Laird said:

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Yes of course. I imagine you're a lot more likely to be shot over there than struck by lightning
over here.

At about 11000 homicides per year, I should cocoa. Lightning kills about 5 or 6 per year in the
yoo-kay. (Possibly more, indirectly.)

But what if you take land area into account, what's the percentage difference then? And of course,
the odds vary from person to person, depending on where you live and what you do.

Do the 5 or 6 happen to be walkers or other outdoor folk by any chance? Golfers perhaps? ;-)

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On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 20:37:11 GMT, Roger Chapman <[email hidden]>

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Not wanting to get at John particularly but why is it that:

a) Everybody seems to assume that Hadrians Wall was built to keep the Scots at bay? And

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Well, I didn't say that exactly ! There were no Scots in Roman times (nor English really).
The Picts were further away to the North, and some other mob of barbarians inhabited that
general area.

My invaluable dictionary has it that a Pict was "a member of any of the peoples who lived in
Britain north of the Forth and the Clyde in the first to the forth centuries AD: later
applied chiefly to the inhabitants of NE Scotland. Throughout Roman times the PIcts carried
out border raids."

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b) Why does Rome's later more Northerly frontier rarely get as much as a stray mention?

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Do pray tell. I've not heard of it, for one.

Again from Collins Dictionary

"Hadrian's Wall: a fortified Roman wall ... extending from the Solway Firth in the West to the
River Tyne in the East. It was built in 120 - 123 AD on the orders of the Emporer Hadrian as a
defence against the N British tribes."

"Antonine Wall: a Roman frontier defence work across S Scotland, extending between the River Clyde
and the Firth of Forth. It was built in 142 AD on the orders of Antonius Pius."

A history book I have doesn't name the Antonine Wall but it is shown on a map which also deliniates
the extent of the Roman occupation as significantly further north - seemingly into the southern
edge of the Highlands.

It also makes the distinction (in the immediate post Roman period) between the P-Celtic speaking
tribes to the south of the Forth and the Picts to the north. It also has "the Picts (originally
known to the Romans as the Caledonii and from the forth century as Pictii."

I thankyew !

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On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 12:22:17 +0000, John Laird <[email hidden]>

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Paul Saunders said:

Arnold said:

One does have to be careful, a pistol was displayed to my daughter in traffic on an expressway
recently

Yes of course. I imagine you're a lot more likely to be shot over there than struck by lightning
over here.

At about 11000 homicides per year, I should cocoa. Lightning kills about 5 or 6 per year in the yoo-
kay. (Possibly more, indirectly.)

You will probably find that those that are caught are fishermen standing in the middle of a river
with a rod stuck up in the air or golfers on an open course holding a metal club.

You just have to be sensible. I remember pitching my tent on a hill top in on the Pembrokeshire
coastal path because it had such a fantastic view and then having a really violent storm come in off
the sea during the night. It was really scarey.

Alex.

On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 10:37:06 +0000, Gordon <[email hidden]>

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Chris Street <[email hidden]> wrote

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* Well, they're BIG, aren't they?

Try a C5 - then you know what the meaning of the word b i g is.......

I have a QSL card somewhere from a contact with a C3 crew member. That was before GPS, but he read
out his exact co-ordinates from the panel when I asked where he was.

Thems was old mobile stations then - ones that you needed a plane to lug all the valves and 125V
batteries around in.

Best One I saw was a card giving station as being somewhere along a 200 km line. Some Aussie sheep
farmer had clipped his 20m CW rig onto a convenient wire fence and just tuned up until he could
shove "about a kilowatt into it sport" I hate to think of all the splatter he would have been
radiating. I hope he had a generator, a battery powered rig of that output would be fun.

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On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 10:34:39 +0000, Gordon <[email hidden]> wrote:

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I was in Germany (can't remember which base) and a Lightning came up behind the crowd, a couple of
hundred feet up. Then it was afterburners on and vertical - worth it just to see people jump
(including myself)! And the noise! Couldn't hear anything for minutes after. Wouldn't be allowed
nowadays, of course.

I was at Farnborough years ago, and there was a Lightning with rocket assisted take off. I think the
rocket was a Napier Scorpion (remember Napiers? I told you it was years ago!). As soon as the
nosewheel was of the ground it went vertical - the noise was horrendous!

Regards: Jim Ford

Paul Saunders said:

John Laird said:

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Yes of course. I imagine you're a lot more likely to be shot over there than struck by lightning
over here.

At about 11000 homicides per year, I should cocoa. Lightning kills about 5 or 6 per year in the
yoo-kay. (Possibly more, indirectly.)

But what if you take land area into account, what's the percentage difference then? And of course,
the odds vary from person to person, depending on where you live and what you do.

Aargh, I dunno :-) The suggestion was : "you're a lot more likely to be shot over there than struck
by lightning over here". With a population ratio of 5:1, the answer is clearly yes, by about 400:1.

Isn't that 11000 scary ? It's only about 1/3 of the total death total due to firearms, the majority
being suicides or "accidents".

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Do the 5 or 6 happen to be walkers or other outdoor folk by any chance? Golfers perhaps? ;-)

Pass. I don't go out playing in thunderstorms, and nor does anyone else I know. Carrying 14lbs of
steel, can you blame us ? It could easily be people inside, unlucky enough to be near something that
conducted the strike indoors. As I hinted, I expect the indirect death toll is higher (for example,
lightning hits tree, tree falls down, car hits tree, not a directly attributable death).

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On 19 Nov 2003 20:27:06 GMT, Jim Ford <[email hidden]>

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On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 10:34:39 +0000, Gordon <[email hidden]> wrote:

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I was in Germany (can't remember which base) and a Lightning came up behind the crowd, a couple
of hundred feet up. Then it was afterburners on and vertical - worth it just to see people jump
(including myself)! And the noise! Couldn't hear anything for minutes after. Wouldn't be allowed
nowadays, of course.

I was at Farnborough years ago, and there was a Lightning with rocket assisted take off. I think
the rocket was a Napier Scorpion (remember Napiers? I told you it was years ago!). As soon as the
nosewheel was of the ground it went vertical - the noise was horrendous!

Isn't that a bit like putting go-faster stripes on a F1 car ? Anyway, vague mention here: thunder-and-thunder-and-Open ↗
lightnings.co.uk/lightning/history.html

Many moons ago, I was at Farnborough, and we were all hanging about during a "lull" in the display
while the announcer told us they were waiting something flying in. Whistling, scanning the skies,
all of a sudden, huge noise and these two Harriers streak down the runway at about 40' with full
afterburners. Sneaky gits had taken off in the woods off to one end, did a quick tour round the
trees, dropped very low and then lit up as they came over the threshold. Ah, those were the days.
Now, it's all quiet and safe and, well, not the same. Did see one of those loony Russians a couple
of years back, doing the 60 degree nose-up thing and then a tail-slide under power. Might have been
the year they challenged the visiting Americans to a duel :-)

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John Laird said:

Paul Saunders said:

John Laird said:

> Yes of course. I imagine you're a lot more likely to be shot over there than struck by
> lightning over here.

At about 11000 homicides per year, I should cocoa. Lightning kills about 5 or 6 per year in the
yoo-kay. (Possibly more, indirectly.)

But what if you take land area into account, what's the percentage difference then? And of course,
the odds vary from person to person, depending on where you live and what you do.

Aargh, I dunno :-) The suggestion was : "you're a lot more likely to be shot over there than struck
by lightning over here". With a population ratio of 5:1, the answer is clearly yes, by about 400:1.

Isn't that 11000 scary ? It's only about 1/3 of the total death total due to firearms, the majority
being suicides or "accidents".

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Do the 5 or 6 happen to be walkers or other outdoor folk by any chance? Golfers perhaps? ;-)

Pass. I don't go out playing in thunderstorms, and nor does anyone else I know. Carrying 14lbs of
steel, can you blame us ?

Lightning is not attracted to random lumps of metal. It will go for pointy things sticking up in the
air though which is why the pins do get struck from time to time, although the trees on the average
golf course are more likely to be hit.

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79.84% of all statistics are made up on the spot. The other 42% are made up later on. In Warwick -
looking at flat fields and that includes the castle.