Looking for "Chain-slap" solution...

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On the heavily rooted trails I ride on ( Quiet Waters, Oleta, etc) the

chain

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on my Trek Liquid 25 starts flopping around like crazy when I hit race

pace

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speeds through the rough sections. This is not an issue on trails in North Florida like Croom or
Santos ( meaning it would be a non-issue in N

Carolina

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and other real mountain biking locations). But for my weekly rides, I need to find a way to reduce
this flopping around. Sometimes the chain will

shift

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itself into the granny gear, when I "need" to stay in the middle ring. and other times, when
really hammering a rough section, the shifting on the

rear

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derailer is badly compromised by the flailing chain.

The only possible solution I can think of is removing the Big ring from

the

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equation, and taking out several links--shortening the chain, in the hope that this will mean less
travel potential for the chain....I'd rather have

a

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better solution, and am hoping someone has one...

Dan V

You want one of these, unfortunately no longer made but easy to DIY. idriders.comcgiOpen ↗
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Steve.

spademan o---) * said:

"Dan Volker" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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On the heavily rooted trails I ride on ( Quiet Waters, Oleta, etc) the chain on my Trek Liquid 25
starts flopping around like crazy when I hit race pace speeds through the rough sections. This is
not an issue on trails in North Florida like Croom or Santos ( meaning it would be a non-issue in
N Carolina and other real mountain biking locations). But for my weekly rides, I need to find a
way to reduce this flopping around. Sometimes the chain will shift itself into the granny gear,
when I "need" to stay in the middle ring. and other times, when really hammering a rough section,
the shifting on the rear derailer is badly compromised by the flailing chain.

The only possible solution I can think of is removing the Big ring from the equation, and taking
out several links--shortening the chain, in the hope that this will mean less travel potential
for the chain....I'd rather have a better solution, and am hoping someone has one...

Dan V

You want one of these, unfortunately no longer made but easy to DIY. idriders.comcgiOpen ↗
bin/album_k2.pl?photo=Southern_Kiwi/bulletbros.jpg

Steve.

Or one of these. ishop.co.ukshopscr83.htmlOpen ↗

'Old' style chain device that lets you keep 3 rings

--
Mark

Dan Volker said:

On the heavily rooted trails I ride on ( Quiet Waters, Oleta, etc) the chain on my Trek Liquid 25
starts flopping around like crazy when I hit race pace speeds through the rough sections. This is
not an issue on trails in North Florida like Croom or Santos ( meaning it would be a non-issue in
N Carolina and other real mountain biking locations). But for my weekly rides, I need to find a
way to reduce this flopping around. Sometimes the chain will shift itself into the granny gear,
when I "need" to stay in the middle ring. and other times, when really hammering a rough section,
the shifting on the rear derailer is badly compromised by the flailing chain.

The only possible solution I can think of is removing the Big ring from the equation, and taking
out several links--shortening the chain, in the hope that this will mean less travel potential for
the chain....I'd rather have a better solution, and am hoping someone has one...

Dan V

Actually, this is exactly what you are looking for. I use one and never had a problem.

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spademan o---) * said:

"Dan Volker" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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On the heavily rooted trails I ride on ( Quiet Waters, Oleta, etc) the chain on my Trek Liquid
25 starts flopping around like crazy when I hit race pace speeds through the rough sections.
This is not an issue on trails in North Florida like Croom or Santos ( meaning it would be a
non-issue in N Carolina and other real mountain biking locations). But for my weekly rides, I
need to find a way to reduce this flopping around. Sometimes the chain will shift itself into
the granny gear, when I "need" to stay in the middle ring. and other times, when really
hammering a rough section, the shifting on the rear derailer is badly compromised by the
flailing chain.

The only possible solution I can think of is removing the Big ring from the equation, and
taking out several links--shortening the chain, in the hope that this will mean less travel
potential for the chain....I'd rather have a better solution, and am hoping someone has one...

Dan V

You want one of these, unfortunately no longer made but easy to DIY.

idriders.comalbum k2.plOpen ↗

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Steve.

Or one of these. ishop.co.ukshopscr83.htmlOpen ↗

'Old' style chain device that lets you keep 3 rings

--
Mark

Never really did like those, they seemed to slip round the frame and didn't actually do much. I have
got a purple one in my spares box...

Steve.

Ride a singlespeed.

JD

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Ride a singlespeed.

JD

Ride with no chain.You'll learn new skills you didnt even know you need.

G

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Ride a singlespeed.

JD

I heard that coming a mile away. And I have to agree...

paladin quiet, simple, pure/SS

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Dan Volker said:

On the heavily rooted trails I ride on ( Quiet Waters, Oleta, etc) the chain on my Trek Liquid
25 starts flopping around like crazy when I hit race pace speeds through the rough sections.
This is not an issue on trails in North Florida like Croom or Santos ( meaning it would be a non-
issue in N Carolina and other real mountain biking locations). But for my weekly rides, I need
to find a way to reduce this flopping around. Sometimes the chain will shift itself into the
granny gear, when I "need" to stay in the middle ring. and other times, when really hammering a
rough section, the shifting on the rear derailer is badly compromised by the flailing chain.

The only possible solution I can think of is removing the Big ring from the equation, and taking
out several links--shortening the chain, in the hope that this will mean less travel potential
for the chain....I'd rather have a better solution, and am hoping someone has one...

Dan V

Actually, this is exactly what you are looking for. I use one and never

had

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a problem.

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Thanks, This looks like a good piece of gear to try. Regards, Dan V

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[email hidden] (JD) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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Ride a singlespeed.

JD

Ride with no chain.You'll learn new skills you didnt even know you need.

G

I had to ride off of Poison Spider once in a chaimless mode on my old BFD28 (damn [censored]
freehubs). It was an eye opener, for sure.

JD

On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 08:29:04 -0500, "Dan Volker"
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The only possible solution I can think of is removing the Big ring from the equation, and taking
out several links--shortening the chain, in the hope that this will mean less travel potential for
the chain....I'd rather have a better solution, and am hoping someone has one...

Dan, Dan, Dan, the best solution is right under your nose. You were close when you mentioned
removing the Big ring.

Convert your rig to a SS and start enjoying life.

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Dan V

Peace, Bill

Stop Dave from humping, send money to have him/her spayed or nuetered.

"Bill Wheeler" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 08:29:04 -0500, "Dan Volker" <[email hidden]> wrote:

[snip chain slap [censored]]

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The only possible solution I can think of is removing the Big ring from

the

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equation, and taking out several links--shortening the chain, in the hope that this will mean
less travel potential for the chain....I'd rather

have a

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better solution, and am hoping someone has one...

Dan, Dan, Dan, the best solution is right under your nose. You were close when you mentioned
removing the Big ring.

Convert your rig to a SS and start enjoying life.

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Dan V

Peace, Bill

Bill, Bill, Bill, :-) I have people I am beginning to enjoy riding with again, that are very fast
expert class racers, and they are riding on bikes like the Intense X-country bike, and on Santa Cruz
Blurs. You could put a top pro on a single speed, and he would get smoked by these guys on the
trails we ride--there is just too much variability in the terrain and obstacles--some sections have
to be ridden in a very small gear in order to navigate extremely technical turns with big roots,
this followed immediately by 20 mph plus sections you can haul ass on. Single speeders would have no
hope, except to keep up with the HFS contingent ( Huge Fat Slobs) :-)

Regards, Dan V

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"Bill Wheeler" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 08:29:04 -0500, "Dan Volker" <[email hidden]> wrote:

[snip chain slap [censored]]

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The only possible solution I can think of is removing the Big ring from the equation, and taking
out several links--shortening the chain, in the hope that this will mean less travel potential
for the chain....I'd rather have a better solution, and am hoping someone has one...

Dan, Dan, Dan, the best solution is right under your nose. You were close when you mentioned
removing the Big ring.

Convert your rig to a SS and start enjoying life.

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Dan V

Peace, Bill

Bill, Bill, Bill, :-) I have people I am beginning to enjoy riding with again, that are very fast
expert class racers, and they are riding on bikes like the Intense X-country bike, and on Santa
Cruz Blurs. You could put a top pro on a single speed, and he would get smoked by these guys on
the trails we ride--there is just too much variability in the terrain and obstacles--some sections
have to be ridden in a very small gear in order to navigate extremely technical turns with big
roots, this followed immediately by 20 mph plus sections you can haul ass on. Single speeders
would have no hope, except to keep up with the HFS contingent ( Huge Fat Slobs) :-)

Regards, Dan V

The gauntlet has been thrown.....

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Ride a singlespeed.

JD

Couldn't have teed that one up any better...

G

Dan Volker said:

I have people I am beginning to enjoy riding with again, that are very fast expert class racers,
and they are riding on bikes like the Intense X-country bike, and on Santa Cruz Blurs. You could
put a top pro on a single speed, and he would get smoked by these guys on the trails we ride--
there is just too much variability in the terrain and obstacles--some sections have to be ridden
in a very small gear in order to navigate extremely technical turns with big roots, this followed
immediately by 20 mph plus sections you can haul ass on.

You're in Florida, right? How inconsequential to anywhere with hills or mountains, which is just
about everywhere else.

JD

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Dan Volker said:

I have people I am beginning to enjoy riding with again, that are very

fast

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expert class racers, and they are riding on bikes like the Intense

X-country

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bike, and on Santa Cruz Blurs. You could put a top pro on a single

speed,

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and he would get smoked by these guys on the trails we ride--there is

just

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too much variability in the terrain and obstacles--some sections have to

be

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ridden in a very small gear in order to navigate extremely technical

turns

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with big roots, this followed immediately by 20 mph plus sections you

can

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haul ass on.

You're in Florida, right? How inconsequential to anywhere with hills or mountains, which is just
about everywhere else.

JD

JD, Unfortunately, I have to agree with that sentiment---I don't like Florida trails..I like N.C and
Georgia trails, if I was going to stereotype. However, why not let me know about Norba National
Cross Country races won on a SS over all the other racers on bikes like the Santa Cruz and Intenses.
I don't see how it matters much, that some fit guy, on a single speeder, can out ride a bunch of fat
guys on hot bikes--its even more meaningless than my geographic challenges.

If you like dueling it out with your friends on a trail, why shoot yourself in the foot by getting a
single speed bike ?? Regards, Dan V

Dan Volker said:

Unfortunately, I have to agree with that sentiment---I don't like Florida trails..I like N.C and
Georgia trails, if I was going to stereotype. However, why not let me know about Norba National
Cross Country races won on a SS over all the other racers on bikes like the Santa Cruz and
Intenses. I don't see how it matters much, that some fit guy, on a single speeder, can out ride a
bunch of fat guys on hot bikes--its even more meaningless than my geographic challenges.

What does NORBA have to do anything? Amateur racing is meaningless. In fact, as far as the type of
bicycle is concerned, professional racing is meaningless as well. Will you ever get it that it's not
the bike, it's the rider?

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If you like dueling it out with your friends on a trail, why shoot yourself in the foot by getting
a single speed bike ??

I agree, if you have limited bicycle handling skills. Again, it's not about the bike, it's about
the rider.

Please, stay on your oh-so-technical trails and avoid the West. It's obviously not for you.

JD

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Single speeders would have no hope, except to keep up with the HFS contingent ( Huge Fat
Slobs) :-)

Ignorance is bliss I've heard.

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Regards, Dan V

Peace, Bill

Stop Dave from humping, send money to have him/her spayed or nuetered.

Bill Wheeler said:

Peace, Bill

Stop Dave from humping, send money to have him/her spayed or nuetered.

maybe it's the drugs, but that sig is damn funny. please continue

Tom

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"Dan Volker" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:

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What does NORBA have to do anything? Amateur racing is meaningless. In fact, as far as the type of
bicycle is concerned, professional racing is meaningless as well. Will you ever get it that it's
not the bike, it's the rider?

It has to do with hitting the highest speed possible at every moment--to some people, this is fun--
to me this is fun. I can go much faster on constantly varrying terrain, with the ability to shift
into bigger or smaller gears as needed to hit the optimum speed.

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If you like dueling it out with your friends on a trail, why shoot

yourself

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in the foot by getting a single speed bike ??

I agree, if you have limited bicycle handling skills. Again, it's not about the bike, it's about
the rider.

I think you are dramatically overstating skills ---Florida riders do extremely well in races all
over the country, including all over the west--so I don't think your skills idea holds water. The
speed would be the issue on the trails I care about--and that would be influenced heavily by being
able to shift. In many of these trails, maximum speed on some trail sections could be 6 mph, on
other sections max speed could be 16 mph, and on big flat sections with high speed turns, it could
be 25 mph. On the downhills the single speeder can coast, but that would not keep him in the game
with people well set up and skilled for high speed downhills.

Regards, Dan V

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JD