Many thanks to everyone...



Michael Warner wrote:
> ....going along to "sympathy" marches in the morning.
>
> I should get to bed, since I have to rise at 7 to go on
> a ride first, and go to work afterwards :)

It was a good ride in this morning to the ride.
Over 3000 cyclists turned out to ride in Adelaide and
let their voices be heard.

Twas a very interesting exercise to see when asked;

"how many riders have been knocked off their bicycles?"
almost everybody.

"more than once?"
almost everybody.

"hold a drivers licence and drive a car?"
almost everybody.

"pay tax?"
everybody.

Should make the political field a bit more interesting...

kim
 
"Kim Hawtin" wrote in message ...
>
> It was a good ride in this morning to the ride.
> Over 3000 cyclists turned out to ride in Adelaide and
> let their voices be heard.
>
Wow, that is a great turn out. Sydney managed maybe a little over 100.

Parbs
 
Parbs said:
"Kim Hawtin" wrote in message ...
>
> It was a good ride in this morning to the ride.
> Over 3000 cyclists turned out to ride in Adelaide and
> let their voices be heard.
>
Wow, that is a great turn out. Sydney managed maybe a little over 100.

Parbs
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im carp at numbers. maybe 100-150 in Melbourne

pix to see:

http://home.iprimus.com.au/adenhollander/wheelsofjustice.html
 
alison_b said:
Thanks for sharing the pictures... ali
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Yeah thanks too. Good turn up and good mix of ppl.
Hope that one of the older riders is a senior partner in a city legal practice and would like to do some pro bono work in Adelaide for the enquiry there. That would be nice.

Melbourne ...... ahhh memories memories

Cheers
Hugh
 
:) Many many thanks to everyone who rocked up to the Melbourne Ride. :)

I am absolutely stuffed after this week, after attempting to put this thing together with Rob (Melb), Rob (Adel) Carol, Dutch, Phuong et al.

Too many hours typing away at the blog, trying to keep track of the media, emails & every-friggin-else that was occuring.
http://bicyclejustice.blogspot.com

Good to see various folks from peak cycling organisations at the ride, Rosemary from Cycling Promotion Fund, Charlie from Bicycle Federation of Australia, Bart from BV, Phil & Sue from AllTrails and everyone else*.

Stuff watching The Bill, I'm now going go have that nanna nap I promised myself all day. night nights.


*Who are actually just as important
 
cfsmtb said:
:) Many many thanks to everyone who rocked up to the Melbourne Ride. :)

I am absolutely stuffed after this week, after attempting to put this thing together with Rob (Melb), Rob (Adel) Carol, Dutch, Phuong et al.

Thankyou cfsmtb for organising it, t'was good to be able to show my support.
l only saw a little paragragh in the sunday age ,maybe we should have had petrol in those bottles at parliament house to attract atttention.(nah only joking!!)

A tv commercial reminding drivers of cyclist rights and to share the road is needed,
maybe even a shocking TAC type one like the motercycle one.

lets start a collection..............
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Meeba said:
cfsmtb said:
A tv commercial reminding drivers of cyclist rights and to share the road is needed,maybe even a shocking TAC type one like the motercycle one.

lets start a collection..............
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Another option, there were several people there from peak cycling organisations present at the ride. Contact them, mention what you think is required, keep pressuring them. That also goes for writing to pollies and the media as well, yesterdays Wheels of Justice rides are only the beginning. Stay tuned folks! ;)
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On Sat, 07 May 2005 11:07:22 +0930, Kim Hawtin wrote:

> It was a good ride in this morning to the ride.
> Over 3000 cyclists turned out to ride in Adelaide and
> let their voices be heard.

Yes, it went really well. Let's hope we find an excuse to
do it every year :)

--
bpo gallery at http://www4.tpgi.com.au/users/mvw1/bpo
 
Michael Warner said:
Yes, it went really well. Let's hope we find an excuse to
do it every year :)
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perhaps you didnt think that one thru?
If it means someone getting killed, no thanks!
 
Michael Warner wrote:
> Kim wrote:
> > It was a good ride in this morning to the ride.
> > Over 3000 cyclists turned out to ride in Adelaide and
> > let their voices be heard.
>
> Yes, it went really well. Let's hope we find an excuse to
> do it every year :)

there is a resolution that if these issues have not been addressed
sufficiently, there will be another cycle rally.

hopefully there will be no need for one next year.

kim
 
cfsmtb said:
Another option, there were several people there from peak cycling organisations present at the ride. Contact them, mention what you think is required, keep pressuring them. That also goes for writing to pollies and the media as well, yesterdays Wheels of Justice rides are only the beginning. Stay tuned folks! ;)
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cfsmtb can you please tell me what was the "1 metre" thingy that the dude up the front was on about?
 
Meeba said:
cfsmtb can you please tell me what was the "1 metre" thingy that the dude up the front was on about?
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Um, er, which ride are you describing? (I'm in Melbourne) The "give cyclists a metre" was a slogan used by Bicycle Institute of SA & Bicycle Queensland a few years back. I saw on Bicycle Tasmania website that the BISA were selling off the last of these t-shirts, maybe check their website: http://www.bisa.asn.au/
cheers & hope this helps :)
 
>>>>> "Meeba" == Meeba <[email protected]> writes:

Meeba> cfsmtb can you please tell me what was the "1 metre" thingy
Meeba> that the dude up the front was on about?

I didn't hear what was said either (outside State Parliament really sucks
for acoustics) but I seem to remember the Melways stating in the cycling
section (amazingly it's got a cycling section) that cyclists should
cycle at least a meter out from the kerb and a meter out from parked
cars in order to help motorists see them.

That's about where I position my bike on the road; it's been my
experience that the space you're given by other motorists is directly
proportional to how far you ride out from the kerb.
--
Cheers
Euan
 
"Meeba" wrote:
>
> cfsmtb can you please tell me what was the "1 metre" thingy that the
> dude up the front was on about?

This was in reference to a recent state(?) govt enquiry into road rage that
has brought down a set of recommendations that include a suggested inclusion
in the road rules that motorists must leave a minimum 1 metre clearance when
overtaking bikes. I guess it is a significant change to cyclists right to
space, but I can't help wondering who will enforce it, and how they will
determine the magic metre has been broken. Generally I'm really quite happy
with overtaking in a reasonable and safe manner - no more difficult to
measure, and there's more room for flexibility, especially re. higher
vehicle speeds (on a 100kmh road even a metre may be unreasonable and
dangerous).

Cheers
Peter
 
Peter Signorini said:
"Meeba" wrote:
>
> cfsmtb can you please tell me what was the "1 metre" thingy that the
> dude up the front was on about?

This was in reference to a recent state(?) govt enquiry into road rage that
has brought down a set of recommendations that include a suggested inclusion
in the road rules that motorists must leave a minimum 1 metre clearance when
overtaking bikes. I guess it is a significant change to cyclists right to
space, but I can't help wondering who will enforce it, and how they will
determine the magic metre has been broken. Generally I'm really quite happy
with overtaking in a reasonable and safe manner - no more difficult to
measure, and there's more room for flexibility, especially re. higher
vehicle speeds (on a 100kmh road even a metre may be unreasonable and
dangerous).

Cheers
Peter
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Measure the length of your arm. From buying busines shirts for work, I know I have an 89cm sleeve length. If I carry a cold chisel or other sharp metal object 11cm long, the tip of the sharp metal object will be 1 metre from the centre liine of my bike. If there is a long scratch down the side of the overtaking vehicle, he has encroached on my 1 metre space.

Joking aside, the issue is often the manner of the overtaking which may be much more than merely a distance thing. Also, the 1 metre minimum will tend to become a 1 metre standard, ie speapration distance will become 1 metre, not 'at least one metre'

SteveA
 
SteveA said:
Measure the length of your arm. From buying busines shirts for work, I know I have an 89cm sleeve length. If I carry a cold chisel or other sharp metal object 11cm long, the tip of the sharp metal object will be 1 metre from the centre liine of my bike. If there is a long scratch down the side of the overtaking vehicle, he has encroached on my 1 metre space.

Joking aside, the issue is often the manner of the overtaking which may be much more than merely a distance thing. Also, the 1 metre minimum will tend to become a 1 metre standard, ie speapration distance will become 1 metre, not 'at least one metre'

SteveA
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having it been so long since I took my test for my drivers license, I cant remember is there actually anything in there about cyclists and overtaking them ? maybe the education needs to start with the tests and driving instructors.

on another note;
riding back home this morning, I was riding briefly behind someone that thought it was ok to ride in the middle of the lane, I was going to overtake him but I would have had to almost go into the outside lane on Beach Rd going from brighton to elwood, lots of cars, he was getting lots of horn action and I remember thinking if I was in a car I would have been beeping him as well, he looked like he was afraid the kerb was going to bite him, it was so dangerous and the sort of riding which makes car drivers aggressive to cyclists!
 
MikeyOz wrote:
<snip>
> riding back home this morning, I was riding briefly behind someone that
> thought it was ok to ride in the middle of the lane, I was going to
> overtake him but I would have had to almost go into the outside lane on
> Beach Rd going from brighton to elwood, lots of cars, he was getting
> lots of horn action and I remember thinking if I was in a car I would
> have been beeping him as well, he looked like he was afraid the kerb
> was going to bite him, it was so dangerous and the sort of riding which
> makes car drivers aggressive to cyclists!
>
> --
> MikeyOz

1. It IS okay to ride in the middle of the lane, if that's what you need
to do to be safe!!!!

2. If you wanted to overtake, did you try yelling "ON YOUR RIGHT" or
"PASSING" or similar? Did you attempt to explain to the cyclist your
problem with their actions?

3. Why were cars honking? If there's another lane, why didn't they just
change lanes and overtake, as they would with a slower vehicle.

Chances are the cyclist was sitting in the middle of the lane so that
******** drivers wouldn't attempt to overtake where there is not enough
clearance. I do this whenever the lane gets too narrow. I like being
alive.

Tam
 
Tamyka Bell said:
MikeyOz wrote:
<snip>
> riding back home this morning, I was riding briefly behind someone that
> thought it was ok to ride in the middle of the lane, I was going to
> overtake him but I would have had to almost go into the outside lane on
> Beach Rd going from brighton to elwood, lots of cars, he was getting
> lots of horn action and I remember thinking if I was in a car I would
> have been beeping him as well, he looked like he was afraid the kerb
> was going to bite him, it was so dangerous and the sort of riding which
> makes car drivers aggressive to cyclists!
>
> --
> MikeyOz

1. It IS okay to ride in the middle of the lane, if that's what you need
to do to be safe!!!!

2. If you wanted to overtake, did you try yelling "ON YOUR RIGHT" or
"PASSING" or similar? Did you attempt to explain to the cyclist your
problem with their actions?

3. Why were cars honking? If there's another lane, why didn't they just
change lanes and overtake, as they would with a slower vehicle.

Chances are the cyclist was sitting in the middle of the lane so that
******** drivers wouldn't attempt to overtake where there is not enough
clearance. I do this whenever the lane gets too narrow. I like being
alive.

Tam
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1. Not on Beach Rd during Peak hour with cars/trucks/buses/motorbikes/cyclists all wanting to get to work, oh wait...hey maybe the Two Lane bike path that follows the same route would be a good idea. And this is Melbourne peak hour not Brisbane Peak hour.

2. Yeah I wanted to ride up behind him yelling at him with Trucks and buses going past him, maybe I should have just pushed him into the Bushes myself.

3. Because he was seriously and dangerously taking up an entire lane and I am a cyclist as well. It works both ways you know, we dont need an entire lane. 2 A breast fair enough, 1 cyclist that time of day on that road, in an entire lane, get off and use the bike path, for that 2 km section.
 
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