Marathon + weights? Or impossible?

On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 11:41:42 +1000, "David" <[email hidden]>

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when you could be charging for it!

She couldn't charge for a blowjob, nevermind her "athletic prowess".

"Deb" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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As some of you may know I have been doing weight training for many
years - lots of heavy squatting etc. However I have this new bee in my
bonnet to do the NYC Marathon before I turn 40.

Why? That type of long distance event is just a muscle wasting, joint
destroying obsession, IMHO. A mix of sprints, weight training, 5K's and
sports is better for your overall health.

MrRobottow said:

On Wed, 9 Nov 2005 18:52:56 -0000, "Bully"

neil_simpson@spam-me-not_btinternet.com said:

See here for what distance running will do for your legs:
http://www.paularadcliffe.com/gallery/action3.php

Yes idiot, she's one of the worlds fastest, now go read what I wrote
again.

The idiot is the person who stated " 5 hours will be a reasonable but
unlikely goal."

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Bully said:

MrRobottow said:

On Wed, 9 Nov 2005 18:52:56 -0000, "Bully"

neil_simpson@spam-me-not_btinternet.com said:

See here for what distance running will do for your legs:
http://www.paularadcliffe.com/gallery/action3.php

Yes idiot, she's one of the worlds fastest, now go read what I wrote
again.

The idiot is the person who stated " 5 hours will be a reasonable but
unlikely goal."

Please disregard my last response. I've just read a bunch of your posts and
realised you are a bitter, twisted troll.

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Supplements: http://www.myprotein.co.uk - use my discount code, MP4858,
to get 5% off.

A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy
enough people to make it worth the effort. Herm Albright (1876 - 1944)

On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 11:41:42 +1000, "David" <[email hidden]>

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"Dally" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Deb said:

As some of you may know I have been doing weight training for many
years - lots of heavy squatting etc. However I have this new bee in my
bonnet to do the NYC Marathon before I turn 40. Since I know you need
a solid core of about a year running plus the 18 week marathon prep
routine, I am looking at the 2007 race (if I can even get in - I'll try
to go for the 2006 race, and then cancel - that guarantees you entry
the following year - unless I don't get into either lottery).

My question is very simple - do I need to pretty much give up my weight
training, or change/reduce it significantly, and become an endurance
weenie, in order to accomplish this goal?

Currently I weigh between 155 and 160 at 5'5" and I'm very solid. I
squat weekly, 155 is my max, and do 360 on the leg press weekly as
well. Cardio is not in my life right now, but I have run in the past -
never ran more than around 4 miles however.

Thanks guys!

Deb

Ah, Deb, welcome to the dark side.

My experience of becoming an endurance weanie is that weightlifting took a
big hit. There just aren't enough hours in the day, and when a chance
comes along to get in a workout, which is easier to do, head out the door
in running shoes or get to the gym? It wasn't supposed to work this way,
but in reality weightlifting became Nautilus once or twice a week. Ugggh,
I'm embarrassed to say that.

I'm trying to get back into powerlifting and finding that I'm no longer
competitive and it isn't quite as much fun when I can't push the big
weights anymore. OTOH, I'm also lighter (less LBM as well as less lard)
and that has benefits.

And that brings me to the next issue: it was terribly hard cutting weight
as an endurance weanie, just because I was already eating pretty much at
maintenance and adding long slow distance required more carbs than a
similar amount of time spent in the weight room. In short, I was either
stuffing my face or starving. Cutting as a powerlifter is much
preferable. If I had it to over again I'd cut down to running weight
BEFORE becoming a runner.

Now let's talk about what it means to be a marathon runner. You've got to
be fond of pain. I mean, REALLY fond of pain. Running is an optional
degenerative illness. Kenneth Cooper from the Cooper Institute says that
anyone running more than 15 miles a week is doing it for reasons other
than health. In other words, you oughta have you head examined.
Seriously. A marathon is just over the top, past "healthy" into "things
you'll try to survive." Why?

May I suggest you spend some time thinking about doing triathlons,
instead? They've got a really great culture of honoring people who just
show up and "tri". Because it involves three sports you are
cross-training all the time, and because no one is really great at all
three sports you get to be in a culture that values learning and
progressing rather than just pure performance.

I feel like being a short-distance triathlete is something that makes me
stronger, more healthy, not less. And it's fun. And when I get injured
I've got other sports to fall back on. If you want more than short-course
you can go up to olympic distance, a 10K run. Ironman is back into that
"get your head examined" territory, IMO.

I don't know how much you're running now, but heavy women in their late
30's starting long distances are pretty much a perfect demographic for who
will be injured. Consider doing some of your training in the pool,
aquajogging. Leave speed work completely alone - no more HIIT. Get a
heart rate monitor. Keep a log of how many miles are on your shoes.

I love running, I understand the attraction. But marathons? Can't you
find a better nearly-but-not-quite-unattainable goal? Really?

BTW, are you by chance on LJ?

Dally

Dally, have you considered becoming a PT to augment your income? ? With your
experience and general athletic prowess, it's a shame to just give away that
valuable advice when you could be charging for it!

She is certainly brimming full of knowledge and a classic MFW success
story. I think we can all take credit for producing this svelte
knowledgeable guru on all things to do with physical fitness and
healthy lifestyles.

We hang on your every word Dolly! ;o)

"Charles" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 11:41:42 +1000, "David" <[email hidden]>
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Dally, have you considered becoming a PT to augment your income? ? With
your

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experience and general athletic prowess, it's a shame to just give away
that
valuable advice when you could be charging for it!

She is certainly brimming full of knowledge and a classic MFW success
story. I think we can all take credit for producing this svelte
knowledgeable guru on all things to do with physical fitness and
healthy lifestyles.

We hang on your every word Dolly! ;o)

It's not everyday you have a person that talks the talk *and* walks the
walk. Here's to Dolly and those like her! (damn few left!)

On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 07:54:36 -0000, "Bully"

neil_simpson@spam-me-not_btinternet.com said:

The idiot is the person who stated " 5 hours will be a reasonable but
unlikely goal."

She'll not even do it in 5 hurs. Guaranteed.

On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 19:28:39 +1000, "David" <[email hidden]>

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It's not everyday you have a person that talks the talk *and* walks the
walk.

Isn't more like "talks the talk *and* waddles the waddle"?

Steve Freides said:

Your gait is not fixed in stone any more than your technique on any
exercise is - your gait can improve. I would Google "running technique"
and similar phrases and do a bit of reading. My opinion is that most
modern running shoes reinforce, not help, bad running technique. The
easiest way to improve your running gait, for most people, is simply to
take baby steps when you run, striving for 180 foot falls per minute,
and lengthening your stride only to the rear, not the front. If you
foot lands underneath you instead of in front of you, much gets fixed in
one's running gait.

And tell us "Ballerina", how many marathons have you run? How many 70
mpw weeks have you put in?

Steve Freides said:

Your gait is not fixed in stone any more than your technique on any
exercise is - your gait can improve. I would Google "running technique"
and similar phrases and do a bit of reading. My opinion is that most
modern running shoes reinforce, not help, bad running technique. The
easiest way to improve your running gait, for most people, is simply to
take baby steps when you run, striving for 180 foot falls per minute,
and lengthening your stride only to the rear, not the front. If you
foot lands underneath you instead of in front of you, much gets fixed in
one's running gait.

And tell us "Ballerina", how many marathons have you run? How many 70
mpw weeks have you put in?

Dally wrote

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If I had it to over again I'd cut down to running weight
BEFORE becoming a runner.

Tempting, but probably not going to happen.

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May I suggest you spend some time thinking about doing triathlons,
instead?

I have no easy access to a pool and besides, don't like swimming very
much

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I don't know how much you're running now, but heavy women in their late
30's starting long distances are pretty much a perfect demographic for
who will be injured. Leave speed work completely alone - no more HIIT. Get a
heart rate monitor. Keep a log of how many miles are on your shoes.

yes, will do

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BTW, are you by chance on LJ?

What's LJ? if it's drugs, no. If it's birth control, no. If it's
hormone replacement, no. If it's supplements, no.

Deb said:

Dally wrote

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If I had it to over again I'd cut down to running weight
BEFORE becoming a runner.

Tempting, but probably not going to happen.

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May I suggest you spend some time thinking about doing triathlons,
instead?

I have no easy access to a pool and besides, don't like swimming very
much

Well, who does? But it keeps being the place of last resort for aging
athletes. I've learned to like it. I'm not saying you ought to, just
that it's a healthier, saner idea than taking up marathon training.

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BTW, are you by chance on LJ?

What's LJ? if it's drugs, no. If it's birth control, no. If it's
hormone replacement, no. If it's supplements, no.

LOL, no, it's a corner of the internet. (Turns out that, despite the
internet being a big place, it's still a small world.) I just wondered
if you were aka "powerliftinglibrarian" or some-such.

Dally

Deb said:

As some of you may know I have been doing weight training for many
years - lots of heavy squatting etc. However I have this new bee in my
bonnet to do the NYC Marathon before I turn 40. Since I know you need
a solid core of about a year running plus the 18 week marathon prep
routine, I am looking at the 2007 race (if I can even get in - I'll try
to go for the 2006 race, and then cancel - that guarantees you entry
the following year - unless I don't get into either lottery).

My question is very simple - do I need to pretty much give up my weight
training, or change/reduce it significantly, and become an endurance
weenie, in order to accomplish this goal?

Currently I weigh between 155 and 160 at 5'5" and I'm very solid. I
squat weekly, 155 is my max, and do 360 on the leg press weekly as
well. Cardio is not in my life right now, but I have run in the past -
never ran more than around 4 miles however.

Thanks guys!

Deb

when you start to do aerobic training its a very steep curve first 3
weeks where you increase your oxygen efficiency but ligaments and
muscles are slower to cope, so you might get a sensation that you
have more to give so its easy to get overtrained in the sense that your
legs hurt and some knee problems what i mean is that your heart and
lung capcatity increase faster than legs and tendons

Deb said:

Tempting, but probably not going to happen.

Of course she's still fat as a horse, so her running weight has never
been reached.

MrRobotow said:

Deb said:

Tempting, but probably not going to happen.

Of course she's still fat as a horse, so her running weight has never
been reached.

Ummm, I was at "running weight" back when I was still running. Around
5 years ago. Running weight 130 - 135 pounds. Just where are you
getting this history from?

Deb said:

MrRobotow said:

Deb said:

Tempting, but probably not going to happen.

Of course she's still fat as a horse, so her running weight has never
been reached.

Ummm, I was at "running weight" back when I was still running. Around
5 years ago. Running weight 130 - 135 pounds. Just where are you
getting this history from?

I believe he is talking about me. I enraged the troll crowd this winter
by declaring I was going to do a short-course triathlon, then proceeding
to spend the next eight months training for it and accomplishing two of
them. This engendered spasms of fat jokes about my rear, probably to
make them feel better about their OWN expanding rears.

Dally

Deb said:

Ummm, I was at "running weight" back when I was still running. Around
5 years ago. Running weight 130 - 135 pounds. Just where are you
getting this history from?

I was talking about Dally, not you.

Dally said:

I believe he is talking about me.

Correct, or in your language "oink oink, oink, oink oink oink".

Dally said:

Deb said:

MrRobotow said:

On 10 Nov 2005 11:21:22 -0800, "Deb" <[email hidden]> wrote:

>Tempting, but probably not going to happen.
>

Of course she's still fat as a horse, so her running weight has never
been reached.

Ummm, I was at "running weight" back when I was still running. Around
5 years ago. Running weight 130 - 135 pounds. Just where are you
getting this history from?

I believe he is talking about me. I enraged the troll crowd this winter
by declaring I was going to do a short-course triathlon, then proceeding
to spend the next eight months training for it and accomplishing two of
them. This engendered spasms of fat jokes about my rear, probably to
make them feel better about their OWN expanding rears.

I challenge you Dolly to expose just one fat contributor to MFW, other
than perhaps Se th.

Dally said:

Deb said:

Dally wrote

Quoted message said:

If I had it to over again I'd cut down to running weight
BEFORE becoming a runner.

Tempting, but probably not going to happen.

Quoted message said:

May I suggest you spend some time thinking about doing triathlons,
instead?

I have no easy access to a pool and besides, don't like swimming very
much

Well, who does? But it keeps being the place of last resort for aging
athletes. I've learned to like it. I'm not saying you ought to, just
that it's a healthier, saner idea than taking up marathon training.

Dude. The world *does not* need more triathletes. Enjoy it if you
must, but don't try to recruit people. Bike mechanics everywhere thank
you in advance for your compliance.