Mount DeCanio erupts again



Here it is:

THIS JUST IN.......TOP DEVELOPMENTS AND NEWS UPDATES FROM
STOLEN UNDERGROUND SPIES.




http://stolenunderground.com/id74.html















August 12 2004 1:54 AM
This just in from one of our top spies. It looks like three EPO
positives have come in from riders from the Health-Net team. The details
remain sketchy at the time, but I will check some other sources to verify if
this could be true.

"WooGoogle" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> [email protected] (Alan Atwood) wrote in message
news:<[email protected]>...
> > Check out the latest article on racelistings.com:
> >
> > http://www.racelistings.com/rzone/articles/article.asp?recid=348
> >
> > Wow. S*** is hitting the fan now.....
> >
> > Alan
>
> The link to stolenunderground.com speculates on three more US EPO
> positives on the Healthnet team.
 
In article <[email protected]>,
"B. Lafferty" <[email protected]> wrote:

> "Dan Connelly" <d_j_c_o_n_n_e_l@i_e_e_e.o_r_g> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...

> > Even if you did, do you think master's athletes dope?
>
> I know that they do. I've done masters races with a 50+ year old with fresh
> acne on his back.

Well, Brian, that doesn't really prove anything, doping-wise. Some
people are just naturally pimply. Oily skin, sunblock, work environments,
etc. Now, I'm not saying that masters don't dope. I don't *know* if they
do, but suspect some (or many) may. Just a suspicion on my part.

--
tanx,
Howard

So far, so good, so what?

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?
 
"Alan Atwood" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Check out the latest article on racelistings.com:
>
> http://www.racelistings.com/rzone/articles/article.asp?recid=348
>
> Wow. S*** is hitting the fan now.....

This is a perfect example of what I was saying before. Bill posted an
article from New Scientist that was at least somewhat scientific but Decanio
demonstrates that he just doesn't know what the hell he's talking about.

I'm not saying that he didn't see lots of drugs being used. But he really
doesn't have a clue about how to avoid detection and his ideas about turning
racing into an inqusition are rather pointless.

Believe it or not, the UCI's slow and steady progress is probably the best
way.
 
B. Lafferty wrote:

> Yup! So test them every day for three months prior to the Tour. For
> classics riders, three months prior to April.

Testosterone is the best programme to use in preparation and also the
easiest to conceal. Last time anyone serious tested positive for testo
was....um....
 
On Friday 13 August 2004 10:03, Stewart Fleming wrote:
> Last time anyone serious tested positive for
> testo was....um....

Gert-Jan Theunisse?
 
WooGoogle wrote:

> [email protected] (Alan Atwood) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
>
>>Check out the latest article on racelistings.com:
>>
>>http://www.racelistings.com/rzone/articles/article.asp?recid=348
>>
>>Wow. S*** is hitting the fan now.....
>>
>>Alan
>
>
> The link to stolenunderground.com speculates on three more US EPO
> positives on the Healthnet team.

If you consider that there's two Kiwis and one Canadian on that team,
and one just back after a "dodgy supplements" issue, that's cutting
quite close....
 
Ewoud Dronkert wrote:

> On Friday 13 August 2004 10:03, Stewart Fleming wrote:
>
>>Last time anyone serious tested positive for
>>testo was....um....
>
>
> Gert-Jan Theunisse?

Yeh that's exactly who I was thinking of.
 
Stewart Fleming wrote:

>
>
> B. Lafferty wrote:
>
>> Yup! So test them every day for three months prior to the Tour. For
>> classics riders, three months prior to April.
>
>
> Testosterone is the best programme to use in preparation and also the
> easiest to conceal. Last time anyone serious tested positive for testo
> was....um....

Um....just don't get it from Wal-Mart...
http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/news/081204_nw_Prescription_Error.html
 
[email protected] (WooGoogle) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> [email protected] (Alan Atwood) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> > Check out the latest article on racelistings.com:
> >
> > http://www.racelistings.com/rzone/articles/article.asp?recid=348
> >
> > Wow. S*** is hitting the fan now.....
> >
> > Alan
>
> The link to stolenunderground.com speculates on three more US EPO
> positives on the Healthnet team.

This site has been right on the money every time predicting these
before they are released.


August 13 2004 4:43PM

This just in.......Spy 11 has reported from the field......."I read
that 6 people tested positive for EPO at Georgia: (the lists I've
found have changed, but it looks like it will be revealed officially
on the 19th)

Horner
McCartney (Hn)
Sayers (Hn)
Dominguez (Colavita)
Haedo (Colavita)
O'Neill (Colavita)
And Adam Bergman (Jelly Belly) tested positive a second time
 
WooGoogle wrote:


> Horner
> McCartney (Hn)
> Sayers (Hn)
> Dominguez (Colavita)
> Haedo (Colavita)
> O'Neill (Colavita)
> And Adam Bergman (Jelly Belly) tested positive a second time

Second-best indicator on the net...careful reading of John Lieswyn's CN
diaries...

The problem would be with McCartney, if this list is to be believed. If
these tests relate to TdG, then the results have been known about for a
while, but JM has been selected to go to the Olympics. In the current
climate, I find that hard to believe if a positive was in the works.

Unless of course you widen the conspiracy theory and believe that WADA
and IOC are out to totally humiliate and ruin careers by getting all the
positives on Olympic turf...
 
"B. Lafferty" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

<snip>

> Wonderful! But he's right about one thing in particular. Nothing's going
to
> change. It's all about making money and big money at that. Hence, Omerta.

In American pro racing? He seems to be referencing the drug scene in the
USA. Money is a factor, but in my opinion, so is the desire to advance the
sport here in the USA. Any large scale controversy could hurt fragile
sponsorships or slow the momentum the sport has seen in the recent past.

Glenn Butzlaff
Cudahy, WI
 
On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 09:55:59 +1200, Stewart Fleming
<[email protected]> wrote:

>
>The problem would be with McCartney, if this list is to be believed. If
>these tests relate to TdG, then the results have been known about for a
>while, but JM has been selected to go to the Olympics. In the current
>climate, I find that hard to believe if a positive was in the works.
>
>Unless of course you widen the conspiracy theory and believe that WADA
>and IOC are out to totally humiliate and ruin careers by getting all the
>positives on Olympic turf...


Somethign is going on beacuse national federations seem to be catching
people suddenly. I think they or the UCI might be worried about
embarrssement at the Olympics.

JT
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Stewart Fleming wrote:
> Second-best indicator on the net...careful reading of John Lieswyn's CN
> diaries...
>

Example?
 
Dan Connelly wrote:
> Stewart Fleming wrote:
>
>> Second-best indicator on the net...careful reading of John Lieswyn's
>> CN diaries...
>>
>
> Example?
>

"When he and I were trying to keep Gord at the front in the last 5km,
Jason pulled so hard that when it was my turn I couldn't even come through."
http://www.cyclingnews.com/riders/2004/diaries/john/?id=john0419

"In fact, only Creed was able to beat Sayers up the final climb. Sayers
weather a storm of attacks from the USPS rider while Fraser took a top
five placing as well."
http://www.cyclingnews.com/riders/2004/diaries/john/?id=john0420

"Perhaps credit should be given to the likes of Fraser, Grajales,
Horner, McCartney, and the other US-based riders who met the euro
challenge head on."
http://www.cyclingnews.com/riders/2004/diaries/john/?id=john0415

"Anyway, as the race entered the "finale" everyone was attacking into
the strong headwind trying to get away for the remaining placings. J-Mac
held off the hard charging field to win by 52 seconds. The picture on
Cyclingnews of his "posing" was classic! Veins and muscles bulging, he
looks totally pumped. I've never seen a finish line pose look quite
that... invigorated."
http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2004/apr04/georgia04/index.php?id=stage5/B85F6832

"Horner looked back, saw he had Grajales and nobody else, and went to
warp drive. VDB (the Postie), Bergman, myself, a dozen guys, we didn't
let up. No time to let the HR come down after the climb, just kept it
pegged, and even though a dozen guys were giving it their all, Horner
towed Grajales away from us like a motorcycle."

Nowhere near definitive unless you work for WADA...
 
Stewart Fleming wrote:
>
>
> Dan Connelly wrote:
>
>> Stewart Fleming wrote:
>>
>>> Second-best indicator on the net...careful reading of John Lieswyn's
>>> CN diaries...
>>>
>>
>> Example?
>>
>
> "When he and I were trying to keep Gord at the front in the last 5km,
> Jason pulled so hard that when it was my turn I couldn't even come
> through."
> http://www.cyclingnews.com/riders/2004/diaries/john/?id=john0419
>
> "In fact, only Creed was able to beat Sayers up the final climb. Sayers
> weather a storm of attacks from the USPS rider while Fraser took a top
> five placing as well."
> http://www.cyclingnews.com/riders/2004/diaries/john/?id=john0420
>
> "Perhaps credit should be given to the likes of Fraser, Grajales,
> Horner, McCartney, and the other US-based riders who met the euro
> challenge head on."
> http://www.cyclingnews.com/riders/2004/diaries/john/?id=john0415
>
> "Anyway, as the race entered the "finale" everyone was attacking into
> the strong headwind trying to get away for the remaining placings. J-Mac
> held off the hard charging field to win by 52 seconds. The picture on
> Cyclingnews of his "posing" was classic! Veins and muscles bulging, he
> looks totally pumped. I've never seen a finish line pose look quite
> that... invigorated."
> http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2004/apr04/georgia04/index.php?id=stage5/B85F6832
>
>
> "Horner looked back, saw he had Grajales and nobody else, and went to
> warp drive. VDB (the Postie), Bergman, myself, a dozen guys, we didn't
> let up. No time to let the HR come down after the climb, just kept it
> pegged, and even though a dozen guys were giving it their all, Horner
> towed Grajales away from us like a motorcycle."
>
> Nowhere near definitive unless you work for WADA...
>

Hardly. Any time he says someone is strong, that's an implicit doping
indicator? Heck, I can just look at results, then... (the one exception
MIGHT be that "veins bulging" comment, but that's a stretch).

Dan
 
Dan Connelly wrote:
> Hardly. Any time he says someone is strong, that's an implicit doping
> indicator? Heck, I can just look at results, then... (the one exception
> MIGHT be that "veins bulging" comment, but that's a stretch).

Kunich can tell just by looking.

Bob Schwartz
[email protected]
 
WooGoogle <[email protected]> wrote:
> Horner
> McCartney (Hn)
> Sayers (Hn)
> Dominguez (Colavita)
> Haedo (Colavita)
> O'Neill (Colavita)
> And Adam Bergman (Jelly Belly) tested positive a second time

Bergman had some pretty amazing rides in Georgia so I
would not be surprised at all.

McCartney did too, and it hadn't struck me until now how
similar their histories are ie both made *huge* strides
in a short period of time.

If this plays out as advertised then there will be no
sweeping it under the rug.

Bob Schwartz
[email protected]
 
> If this plays out as advertised then there will be no
> sweeping it under the rug.
>
> Bob Schwartz
> [email protected]

If this plays out as advertised then we will know it WAS swept under
the rug. Nothing like postponing the media attention until after the
Games!
 
"WooGoogle" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> This site has been right on the money every time predicting these
> before they are released.
>
Interesting, as Nathan O'Neil didn't even race in Georgia.

Jeff
 
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