Mountain Bikers STILL Don't Get It!



J

Just zis Guy, you know?

Guest
On Sat, 02 Jul 2005 16:16:44 GMT, Mike Vandeman <[email protected]>
wrote:

>.>BS. And why not leave the bike at the trailhead? There's no good reason to take
>.>a bike on a trail.


>.False. You can't think of one (or rather: you refuse to admit of the
>.possibility of one), that doesn't mean there is none.


>Liar. If you could think of one, you would have posted it. The fact is, you
>CAN'T!


Liar. Here are two: Because I enjoy it, and because I can see more
country in a day.

Guy
--
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SuperG

Guest
Mike Vandeman wrote:
> .> .
> .> .And, Mike has repeatedly said in the past that it isn't mountain bikes that
> .> .he doesn't like, it's bikes on the trail. Now, he is railing against the
> .> .bikes in particular,
> .>
> .> Nope, it's the driving to the trailhead.
> .>
> .> ===
> .> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
> .> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
> .> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
> .>
> .> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
> .
> .I ride to the trailhead on my mountain bike, thus you Lie...
>
> Then leave it at the trailhead.
> ===
> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>
> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande


Why...?
 
M

Mike Vandeman

Guest
On Sat, 02 Jul 2005 18:23:26 +0100, "Just zis Guy, you know?"
<[email protected]> wrote:

..On Sat, 02 Jul 2005 16:16:44 GMT, Mike Vandeman <[email protected]>
..wrote:
..
..>.>BS. And why not leave the bike at the trailhead? There's no good reason to take
..>.>a bike on a trail.
..
..>.False. You can't think of one (or rather: you refuse to admit of the
..>.possibility of one), that doesn't mean there is none.
..
..>Liar. If you could think of one, you would have posted it. The fact is, you
..>CAN'T!
..
..Liar. Here are two: Because I enjoy it, and because I can see more
..country in a day.

1. Enjoyment is not a good reason for the public to allow you to do it. Drug use
is also enjoyable. DUH!
2. You can't "see" more country in a day. In fact, you can hardly see ANYTHING,
while trying to keep from crashing. I have seen the helmet-cam videos. Mountain
bikers go too fast to experience ANYTHING except trying to control their bikes.
DUH!

I am still waiting to hear even ONE good reason why the public should allow
bikes off-road. 10 years and counting....

..Guy

===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
 
M

Mike Vandeman

Guest
On Sat, 02 Jul 2005 13:29:13 -0400, SuperG <[email protected]> wrote:

..Mike Vandeman wrote:
..> .> .
..> .> .And, Mike has repeatedly said in the past that it isn't mountain bikes that
..> .> .he doesn't like, it's bikes on the trail. Now, he is railing against the
..> .> .bikes in particular,
..> .>
..> .> Nope, it's the driving to the trailhead.
..> .>
..> .> ===
..> .> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
..> .> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
..> .> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
..> .>
..> .> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
..> .
..> .I ride to the trailhead on my mountain bike, thus you Lie...
..>
..> Then leave it at the trailhead.
..> ===
..> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
..> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
..> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
..>
..> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
..
..Why...?

Because mountain biking is destructive to wildlife and people. See
http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande/scb7.
===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
 
S

SuperG

Guest
Mike Vandeman wrote:
> On Sat, 02 Jul 2005 13:29:13 -0400, SuperG <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> .Mike Vandeman wrote:
> .> .> .
> .> .> .And, Mike has repeatedly said in the past that it isn't mountain bikes that
> .> .> .he doesn't like, it's bikes on the trail. Now, he is railing against the
> .> .> .bikes in particular,
> .> .>
> .> .> Nope, it's the driving to the trailhead.
> .> .>
> .> .> ===
> .> .> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
> .> .> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
> .> .> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
> .> .>
> .> .> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
> .> .
> .> .I ride to the trailhead on my mountain bike, thus you Lie...
> .>
> .> Then leave it at the trailhead.
> .> ===
> .> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
> .> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
> .> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
> .>
> .> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
> .
> .Why...?
>
> Because mountain biking is destructive to wildlife and people. See
> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande/scb7.
> ===
> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>
> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande


Interesting... seems the report(s) indicate hiking is worse than biking...
 
J

Just zis Guy, you know?

Guest
At Sat, 02 Jul 2005 20:42:32 GMT, message
<[email protected]> was posted by Mike
Vandeman <[email protected]>, including some, all or none of the
following:

>.>.>BS. And why not leave the bike at the trailhead? There's no good reason to take
>.>.>a bike on a trail.


>.>.False. You can't think of one (or rather: you refuse to admit of the
>.>.possibility of one), that doesn't mean there is none.


>.>Liar. If you could think of one, you would have posted it. The fact is, you
>.>CAN'T!


>.Liar. Here are two: Because I enjoy it, and because I can see more
>.country in a day.


>1. Enjoyment is not a good reason for the public to allow you to do it. Drug use
>is also enjoyable. DUH!


But Mike, you *hike* and that has impacts too! There is *no* good
reason to hike! Once again you fail to demonstrate relevant
difference (clue: there is none).

>2. You can't "see" more country in a day. In fact, you can hardly see ANYTHING,
>while trying to keep from crashing.


False. You can travel further, and unless you have the intellect of a
retarded squirrel you need only a fraction of your attention to stay
on the bike.

>I have seen the helmet-cam videos. Mountain
>bikers go too fast to experience ANYTHING except trying to control their bikes.


Some do, but not all. As usual you attack the general based on the
specific (because you are a bigot and a monomaniac).

>I am still waiting to hear even ONE good reason why the public should allow
>bikes off-road. 10 years and counting....


You are a bigot: you will never "hear" a good reason, because you
don't want to hear it and you refuse even to admit of the possibility
anyway.

Guy
--
May contain traces of irony. Contents liable to settle after posting.
http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk

85% of helmet statistics are made up, 69% of them at CHS, Puget Sound
 
M

Mark

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"Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]
> On Thu, 23 Jun 2005 00:01:01 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
>
> .The real problem with Mikey's arguement is that the answer is yes, but
> .pretty much everyone contributes to global warming. So what's Mike to
> .do now, say he contributes less?
>
> Yes, of course!
>
> That arguement doesn't work either to
> .my thinking.
>
> But it's true.


I can prove otherwise.

I havent driven my car for 3 weeks, I ride to my local trails (coed-y-brenin
for the euro guys, is about a 20 minute ride from my current abode), I
admittedly have a refrigerator in my house that puts out pollutants , but I
bet its no more than your refrigerator in your house.

I also work from home, do not use any airconditioning of any sort, and the
majority of my diet is locally produced and purchased direct from nearby ,
organic farms, so i am not supporting the industrial farming methods that
cause so much damage.

I know for a fact, because you have posted here yourself, just last week
you travelled a few thousand miles to read for 15 minutes.
You drive to an office every day, it would be fair to assume that office is
air conditioned, if not your home as well.
I guarantee you buy food from multinationals, processed, packed and drenched
in preservative chemicals and laced with geneticly modified crops, all of
which add pollutants to both the atmosphere and the food chain and
ecological environment directly.

looks like I win. LIAR.
 
M

Mike Vandeman

Guest
On Sat, 02 Jul 2005 22:15:04 +0100, "Just zis Guy, you know?" <[email protected]>
wrote:

..At Sat, 02 Jul 2005 20:42:32 GMT, message
..<[email protected]> was posted by Mike
..Vandeman <[email protected]>, including some, all or none of the
..following:
..
..>.>.>BS. And why not leave the bike at the trailhead? There's no good reason to take
..>.>.>a bike on a trail.
..
..>.>.False. You can't think of one (or rather: you refuse to admit of the
..>.>.possibility of one), that doesn't mean there is none.
..
..>.>Liar. If you could think of one, you would have posted it. The fact is, you
..>.>CAN'T!
..
..>.Liar. Here are two: Because I enjoy it, and because I can see more
..>.country in a day.
..
..>1. Enjoyment is not a good reason for the public to allow you to do it. Drug use
..>is also enjoyable. DUH!
..
..But Mike, you *hike* and that has impacts too! There is *no* good
..reason to hike! Once again you fail to demonstrate relevant
..difference (clue: there is none).
..
..>2. You can't "see" more country in a day. In fact, you can hardly see ANYTHING,
..>while trying to keep from crashing.
..
..False. You can travel further, and unless you have the intellect of a
..retarded squirrel you need only a fraction of your attention to stay
..on the bike.
..
..>I have seen the helmet-cam videos. Mountain
..>bikers go too fast to experience ANYTHING except trying to control their bikes.
..
..Some do, but not all. As usual you attack the general based on the
..specific (because you are a bigot and a monomaniac).
..
..>I am still waiting to hear even ONE good reason why the public should allow
..>bikes off-road. 10 years and counting....
..
..You are a bigot: you will never "hear" a good reason, because you
..don't want to hear it and you refuse even to admit of the possibility
..anyway.
..
..Guy

So you can't come up with even ONE good reason to allow bikes on trails? That's
what I thought....
===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
 
M

Mike Vandeman

Guest
On Sat, 02 Jul 2005 17:14:21 -0400, SuperG <[email protected]> wrote:

..Mike Vandeman wrote:
..> On Sat, 02 Jul 2005 13:29:13 -0400, SuperG <[email protected]> wrote:
..>
..> .Mike Vandeman wrote:
..> .> .> .
..> .> .> .And, Mike has repeatedly said in the past that it isn't mountain bikes that
..> .> .> .he doesn't like, it's bikes on the trail. Now, he is railing against the
..> .> .> .bikes in particular,
..> .> .>
..> .> .> Nope, it's the driving to the trailhead.
..> .> .>
..> .> .> ===
..> .> .> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
..> .> .> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
..> .> .> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
..> .> .>
..> .> .> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
..> .> .
..> .> .I ride to the trailhead on my mountain bike, thus you Lie...
..> .>
..> .> Then leave it at the trailhead.
..> .> ===
..> .> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
..> .> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
..> .> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
..> .>
..> .> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
..> .
..> .Why...?
..>
..> Because mountain biking is destructive to wildlife and people. See
..> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande/scb7.
..> ===
..> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
..> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
..> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
..>
..> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
..
..Interesting... seems the report(s) indicate hiking is worse than biking...

No, the opposite. Learn to read.
===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
 
M

Mike Vandeman

Guest
On Sat, 02 Jul 2005 22:11:30 GMT, "Mark" <[email protected]> wrote:

..
.."Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
..news:[email protected]
..> On Thu, 23 Jun 2005 00:01:01 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
..>
..> .The real problem with Mikey's arguement is that the answer is yes, but
..> .pretty much everyone contributes to global warming. So what's Mike to
..> .do now, say he contributes less?
..>
..> Yes, of course!
..>
..> That arguement doesn't work either to
..> .my thinking.
..>
..> But it's true.
..
..I can prove otherwise.

BS. You know NOTHING about me.

..I havent driven my car for 3 weeks, I ride to my local trails (coed-y-brenin
..for the euro guys, is about a 20 minute ride from my current abode), I
..admittedly have a refrigerator in my house that puts out pollutants , but I
..bet its no more than your refrigerator in your house.
..
..I also work from home, do not use any airconditioning of any sort, and the
..majority of my diet is locally produced and purchased direct from nearby ,
..organic farms, so i am not supporting the industrial farming methods that
..cause so much damage.
..
..I know for a fact, because you have posted here yourself, just last week
..you travelled a few thousand miles to read for 15 minutes.

On public transit.

..You drive to an office every day,

BS. You FABRICATED that.

it would be fair to assume that office is
..air conditioned, if not your home as well.
..I guarantee you buy food from multinationals, processed, packed and drenched
..in preservative chemicals and laced with geneticly modified crops, all of
..which add pollutants to both the atmosphere and the food chain and
..ecological environment directly.

Liar. You fabricated that.

..looks like I win. LIAR.
..

===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
 
J

Just zis Guy, you know?

Guest
On Mon, 04 Jul 2005 14:56:19 GMT, Mike Vandeman <[email protected]>
wrote:


>So you can't come up with even ONE good reason to allow bikes on trails? That's
>what I thought....


False. I came up with two. But you are a bigot, so refuse to admit
that any reason for mountain biking can possibly be good.

The fact that one of these good reasons also applies to hiking and
both to horse riding, with which you take common cause, is a clear
indication that your position is (as ever) untenable.

Guy
--
May contain traces of irony. Contents liable to settle after posting.
http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk

88% of helmet statistics are made up, 65% of them at CHS, Puget Sound
 
M

Mark

Guest
"Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]
> On Sat, 02 Jul 2005 22:11:30 GMT, "Mark" <[email protected]>

wrote:
>
> .
> ."Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> .news:[email protected]
> .> On Thu, 23 Jun 2005 00:01:01 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
> .>
> .> .The real problem with Mikey's arguement is that the answer is yes, but
> .> .pretty much everyone contributes to global warming. So what's Mike to
> .> .do now, say he contributes less?
> .>
> .> Yes, of course!
> .>
> .> That arguement doesn't work either to
> .> .my thinking.
> .>
> .> But it's true.
> .
> .I can prove otherwise.
>
> BS. You know NOTHING about me.
>
> .I havent driven my car for 3 weeks, I ride to my local trails

(coed-y-brenin
> .for the euro guys, is about a 20 minute ride from my current abode), I
> .admittedly have a refrigerator in my house that puts out pollutants , but

I
> .bet its no more than your refrigerator in your house.
> .
> .I also work from home, do not use any airconditioning of any sort, and

the
> .majority of my diet is locally produced and purchased direct from nearby

,
> .organic farms, so i am not supporting the industrial farming methods that
> .cause so much damage.
> .
> .I know for a fact, because you have posted here yourself, just last week
> .you travelled a few thousand miles to read for 15 minutes.
>
> On public transit.


Are you suggesting that public transport is more environmentaly friendly
than me walking Mr vanderman, as that , and my bike, is how I get around to
do my shopping.
> .You drive to an office every day,
>
> BS. You FABRICATED that.

really? Then , pease point out ther error of that statement Mr vanderman, do
you , or do you not travel by a vehicle using an internal combustion engine
to travel to work, thus contributing every day to global warming.
I work from home, so do not.


> it would be fair to assume that office is
> .air conditioned, if not your home as well.
> .I guarantee you buy food from multinationals, processed, packed and

drenched
> .in preservative chemicals and laced with geneticly modified crops, all of
> .which add pollutants to both the atmosphere and the food chain and
> .ecological environment directly.
>
> Liar. You fabricated that.


I have never seen an office yet of a company the size of the one you work
for that DOESNT have airconditioning in the US. I feel you are a little to
defensive here, yet refrain from calling me a liar.

I also know you eat the foods from multinationals, and every bite of every
one of them contains the things I mention, it takes great effort to eat food
without such contaminates here in the UK, because of the monopoly of
provision of those same multinationals, which is why I have to find people
who sell direct.

In the US, I know from experience, it is next to impossible, the
hypermarkets of course stock food labelled 'healthy' , but it is mere
marketing hype, they all use factory farming, preservatives, the genetic
crops are grown in the US without isolation from the environment, and have
been for years, it is unlikely and wheat or other such crop anywhere in the
continent are now pure, having been cross bred unintentionally.

You see Mr vanderman, I see from your posts, the actual ecological issues
that are the most dangerous to this world we live in are over your level of
understanding, its painfully obvious that any environemntal concerns you
show are a sham, merely a vehicle to promote your hatred of mountain biking.

When it comes to real , world changing issues as global warming, genetic
crops and multinational conglomerates ruling our well being , and our
habitat for the sake of the almighty dollar, you have absolutely no clue.

> .looks like I win. LIAR.
 
M

Mike Vandeman

Guest
On Mon, 04 Jul 2005 16:04:50 +0100, "Just zis Guy, you know?"
<[email protected]> wrote:

..On Mon, 04 Jul 2005 14:56:19 GMT, Mike Vandeman <[email protected]>
..wrote:
..
..
..>So you can't come up with even ONE good reason to allow bikes on trails? That's
..>what I thought....
..
..False. I came up with two.

BS. It is nice to see that you can't come up with even ONE good reason.

But you are a bigot, so refuse to admit
..that any reason for mountain biking can possibly be good.
..
..The fact that one of these good reasons also applies to hiking and
..both to horse riding, with which you take common cause, is a clear
..indication that your position is (as ever) untenable.

BS. I don't promote either, LIAR.

..Guy

===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
 
M

Mike Vandeman

Guest
On Mon, 04 Jul 2005 15:28:13 GMT, "Mark" <[email protected]> wrote:

..
.."Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
..news:[email protected]
..> On Sat, 02 Jul 2005 22:11:30 GMT, "Mark" <[email protected]>
..wrote:
..>
..> .
..> ."Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
..> .news:[email protected]
..> .> On Thu, 23 Jun 2005 00:01:01 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
..> .>
..> .> .The real problem with Mikey's arguement is that the answer is yes, but
..> .> .pretty much everyone contributes to global warming. So what's Mike to
..> .> .do now, say he contributes less?
..> .>
..> .> Yes, of course!
..> .>
..> .> That arguement doesn't work either to
..> .> .my thinking.
..> .>
..> .> But it's true.
..> .
..> .I can prove otherwise.
..>
..> BS. You know NOTHING about me.
..>
..> .I havent driven my car for 3 weeks, I ride to my local trails
..(coed-y-brenin
..> .for the euro guys, is about a 20 minute ride from my current abode), I
..> .admittedly have a refrigerator in my house that puts out pollutants , but
..I
..> .bet its no more than your refrigerator in your house.
..> .
..> .I also work from home, do not use any airconditioning of any sort, and
..the
..> .majority of my diet is locally produced and purchased direct from nearby
..,
..> .organic farms, so i am not supporting the industrial farming methods that
..> .cause so much damage.
..> .
..> .I know for a fact, because you have posted here yourself, just last week
..> .you travelled a few thousand miles to read for 15 minutes.
..>
..> On public transit.
..
.. Are you suggesting that public transport is more environmentaly friendly
..than me walking Mr vanderman, as that , and my bike, is how I get around to
..do my shopping.
..> .You drive to an office every day,
..>
..> BS. You FABRICATED that.
..really? Then , pease point out ther error of that statement Mr vanderman, do
..you , or do you not travel by a vehicle using an internal combustion engine
..to travel to work, thus contributing every day to global warming.
..I work from home, so do not.

So do I. You simply fabricate BS when you can't defend your selfish, destructive
sport any other way.

..> it would be fair to assume that office is
..> .air conditioned, if not your home as well.
..> .I guarantee you buy food from multinationals, processed, packed and
..drenched
..> .in preservative chemicals and laced with geneticly modified crops, all of
..> .which add pollutants to both the atmosphere and the food chain and
..> .ecological environment directly.
..>
..> Liar. You fabricated that.
..
..I have never seen an office yet of a company the size of the one you work
..for that DOESNT have airconditioning in the US. I feel you are a little to
..defensive here, yet refrain from calling me a liar.

Neither my office nor my home have air conditioning. They don't need them.

..I also know you eat the foods from multinationals,

No, you don't. You have no idea what I eat. But it's nice to see that you can't
defend your selfish, destructive sport any way except to FABRICATE lies.

and every bite of every
..one of them contains the things I mention, it takes great effort to eat food
..without such contaminates here in the UK, because of the monopoly of
..provision of those same multinationals, which is why I have to find people
..who sell direct.
..
..In the US, I know from experience, it is next to impossible, the
..hypermarkets of course stock food labelled 'healthy' , but it is mere
..marketing hype, they all use factory farming, preservatives, the genetic
..crops are grown in the US without isolation from the environment, and have
..been for years, it is unlikely and wheat or other such crop anywhere in the
..continent are now pure, having been cross bred unintentionally.

I eat organic food. DUH!

..You see Mr vanderman, I see from your posts, the actual ecological issues
..that are the most dangerous to this world we live in are over your level of
..understanding, its painfully obvious that any environemntal concerns you
..show are a sham, merely a vehicle to promote your hatred of mountain biking.
..
..When it comes to real , world changing issues as global warming, genetic
..crops and multinational conglomerates ruling our well being , and our
..habitat for the sake of the almighty dollar, you have absolutely no clue.

Thanks for demonstrating that you don't have a clue, and hence need to fabricate
data to make your points, LIAR.
===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
 
J

Just zis Guy, you know?

Guest
At Tue, 05 Jul 2005 05:03:20 GMT, message
<[email protected]> was posted by Mike
Vandeman <[email protected]>, including some, all or none of the
following:

>.>So you can't come up with even ONE good reason to allow bikes on trails? That's
>.>what I thought....
>.False. I came up with two.
>BS. It is nice to see that you can't come up with even ONE good reason.


False: enjoyment, and you can see more in a day. Two good reasons.
The fact that your bigotry leads you to discount these, while allowing
them for activities which you partake in or with which you take common
cause, is your problem, not mine.

>.The fact that one of these good reasons also applies to hiking and
>.both to horse riding, with which you take common cause, is a clear
>.indication that your position is (as ever) untenable.


>BS. I don't promote either, LIAR.


And I didn't say you did, LIAR. I said you hike (which you
demonstrably do) and you take common cause with horse riding (which
has been proven in this newsgroup earlier this year).

Guy
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May contain traces of irony. Contents liable to settle after posting.
http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk

85% of helmet statistics are made up, 69% of them at CHS, Puget Sound
 
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Jason

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* Mike Vandeman <[email protected]>:

Thanks Mikey. By my count that's another 70k to be ridden and trail work
to be done. You rock in a very sad pathetic demented way.

Jason
 
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Shaun aRe

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"Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]
> On Wed, 22 Jun 2005 16:16:52 +0100, "Just zis Guy, you know?"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> .On Wed, 22 Jun 2005 15:52:08 +0100, "Shaun aRe"
> .<[email protected]> wrote:
> .
> .>>>> Am I reading this right? Mike is saying that mountain bikes

contribute
> .>>>> to global warming! How? Do bike riders fart more than everybody

else?
> .
> .>>> Manufacture of plastics, rubber, refined oils and greases, the

smelting
> .>>> of steel and aluminium, etc. etc. etc. Sorry Jeff, but ya gotta

accept
> .>>> that much.
> .
> .>> Yes, it's another example of Mike employing the "insignificant cause"
> .>> logical fallacy.
> .
> .>I wouldn't deny it, but too many people make the mistake of dismissing

the
> .>actual fact itself, rather than its relevance to the argument at hand,

and
> .>of course, MV just loves that, makes him feel 'right' LMFAO!
> .
> .I think one reason Mikey's taken such a beating recently
>
> You are dreaming. Beating with a wet noodle can hardly be called

"beating".

You however, have been soundly trounced with the unyielding rod of sound
logic, so badly in fact, that you are far too concussed to realise it.

Shaun aRe
 
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Mark

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"Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]
> On Mon, 04 Jul 2005 15:28:13 GMT, "Mark" <[email protected]>

wrote:
>
> .
> ."Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> .news:[email protected]
> .> On Sat, 02 Jul 2005 22:11:30 GMT, "Mark" <[email protected]>
> .wrote:
> .>
> .> .
> .> ."Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> .> .news:[email protected]
> .> .> On Thu, 23 Jun 2005 00:01:01 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
> .> .>
> .> .> .The real problem with Mikey's arguement is that the answer is yes,

but
> .> .> .pretty much everyone contributes to global warming. So what's Mike

to
> .> .> .do now, say he contributes less?
> .> .>
> .> .> Yes, of course!
> .> .>
> .> .> That arguement doesn't work either to
> .> .> .my thinking.
> .> .>
> .> .> But it's true.
> .> .
> .> .I can prove otherwise.
> .>
> .> BS. You know NOTHING about me.
> .>
> .> .I havent driven my car for 3 weeks, I ride to my local trails
> .(coed-y-brenin
> .> .for the euro guys, is about a 20 minute ride from my current abode), I
> .> .admittedly have a refrigerator in my house that puts out pollutants ,

but
> .I
> .> .bet its no more than your refrigerator in your house.
> .> .
> .> .I also work from home, do not use any airconditioning of any sort, and
> .the
> .> .majority of my diet is locally produced and purchased direct from

nearby
> .,
> .> .organic farms, so i am not supporting the industrial farming methods

that
> .> .cause so much damage.
> .> .
> .> .I know for a fact, because you have posted here yourself, just last

week
> .> .you travelled a few thousand miles to read for 15 minutes.
> .>
> .> On public transit.
> .
> . Are you suggesting that public transport is more environmentaly friendly
> .than me walking Mr vanderman, as that , and my bike, is how I get around

to
> .do my shopping.
> .> .You drive to an office every day,
> .>
> .> BS. You FABRICATED that.
> .really? Then , pease point out ther error of that statement Mr vanderman,

do
> .you , or do you not travel by a vehicle using an internal combustion

engine
> .to travel to work, thus contributing every day to global warming.
> .I work from home, so do not.
>
> So do I. You simply fabricate BS when you can't defend your selfish,

destructive
> sport any other way.


And yet your neighbour posted in this very forum that you drive a car to
work every day......


> .> it would be fair to assume that office is
> .> .air conditioned, if not your home as well.
> .> .I guarantee you buy food from multinationals, processed, packed and
> .drenched
> .> .in preservative chemicals and laced with geneticly modified crops, all

of
> .> .which add pollutants to both the atmosphere and the food chain and
> .> .ecological environment directly.
> .>
> .> Liar. You fabricated that.
> .
> .I have never seen an office yet of a company the size of the one you

work
> .for that DOESNT have airconditioning in the US. I feel you are a little

to
> .defensive here, yet refrain from calling me a liar.
>
> Neither my office nor my home have air conditioning. They don't need them.
>
> .I also know you eat the foods from multinationals,
>
> No, you don't. You have no idea what I eat. But it's nice to see that you

can't
> defend your selfish, destructive sport any way except to FABRICATE lies.


Hmm, selfish , please explain how my sport is selfish, showe the data that
shows being a mountain biker makes one more selfish than the human group as
a whole, the subset of recreational activity participants, or even the
microset of wilderness users.
Please show any coroborated data that proves itis more destructive than any
other sport, something you still have yet to do.

> and every bite of every
> .one of them contains the things I mention, it takes great effort to eat

food
> .without such contaminates here in the UK, because of the monopoly of
> .provision of those same multinationals, which is why I have to find

people
> .who sell direct.
> .
> .In the US, I know from experience, it is next to impossible, the
> .hypermarkets of course stock food labelled 'healthy' , but it is mere
> .marketing hype, they all use factory farming, preservatives, the genetic
> .crops are grown in the US without isolation from the environment, and

have
> .been for years, it is unlikely and wheat or other such crop anywhere in

the
> .continent are now pure, having been cross bred unintentionally.
>
> I eat organic food. DUH!

read below Mr Vanderman, as I explain in very smple terms so as to not
confuse you, the track record of the US farming and industrial movement
means that, in the true sense or organics, there is no such thing in the US,
Organic means grown completely naturally , without either pesticides, growth
enhancers or genetic modifications, nothing in any supermarket complies with
that, packaging for resale sees to that .

I know from first hand experience, what you buy in US supermarkets may well
be labelled organic, but the actual product is very, very far from that.
I did say you have little understanding of the real environmental issues,
something that you make clearer with each post.


> .You see Mr vanderman, I see from your posts, the actual ecological issues
> .that are the most dangerous to this world we live in are over your level

of
> .understanding, its painfully obvious that any environemntal concerns you
> .show are a sham, merely a vehicle to promote your hatred of mountain

biking.
> .
> .When it comes to real , world changing issues as global warming, genetic
> .crops and multinational conglomerates ruling our well being , and our
> .habitat for the sake of the almighty dollar, you have absolutely no clue.
>
> Thanks for demonstrating that you don't have a clue, and hence need to

fabricate
> data to make your points, LIAR.
>


Nope, telling it like it is.

You travelled a few thousand miles to read for 15 minutes, ironically about
the environment, you contributed more to global warming during that journey
then every bike on the planet(which once manufactured contribute zero)
during that same time.

Hypocrite.
 
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Mark

Guest
>
> Thanks for demonstrating that you don't have a clue, and hence need to

fabricate
> data to make your points, LIAR.
>


And just for the record, you claimed to contribute less to global warming
than mountain bikers, which I have shown to be a false statement when
applied to me, a lie if you will.

And as you have so often said, Im am a 'typical mountain biker' , by your
very own logic and reasoning, all other mountain bikers must also live as I
do, and therefore , by your own words, you are a liar.
 
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reader

Guest
Mike Vandeman wrote:
> .
> .>I am still waiting to hear even ONE good reason why the public should allow
> .>bikes off-road. 10 years and counting....
> .


> ===
> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>
> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande


"Public should allow..."?? What, is it up for a vote? All those who want
to ban kite flying on weekends raise you hand... jezzz what a
knuckle-headed statement....