Nascar versus cycling

Discussion in 'Road Cycling' started by Tony Austn, Jul 27, 2003.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. Tony Austn

    Tony Austn Guest

    It should be called RedneckCAR. Anyway, I think the reason why cycling is not as huge in America as
    RedneckCAR is that promoters can't sell tickets to it even though cycling events bring out just as
    many people to watch.

    In Japan Kirin racing is way popular
     
    Tags:


  2. Amit

    Amit Guest

    Tony Austn <[email protected]_screw_spam>

    > Anyway, I think the reason why cycling is not as huge in America as RedneckCAR is that promoters
    > can't sell tickets to it even though cycling events bring out just as many people to watch.

    Oh, so that's why.
     
  3. Smiles

    Smiles Guest

    You must be a troll ... but I'll feed you anyway ... NASCAR is popular with tons of people, coast to
    coast, why do you think so many events are moving west?? Once people can figure out how to make
    money on the sport of cycling it will grow ... also, unless you are in a cycling friendly community,
    you're hosed ... i ride in Northeast Atlanta area and it's nuts ... no bike lane and people on
    average drive 15mph over the posted speed limit.

    As for NASCAR being "redneck" ... what current event is being broadcast between hunting and fishing
    shows anyway?? They are not showing an event live because it would preempt some of their award
    winning gun shows ... even though that event is the final after a month of long racing!! ... i say
    this years Tour is a stage, way too much drama to be real ... Lance crashes and wins a stage ... Jan
    crashes and hands lance the win ... Beloki crashes and almost takes Lance out ... Hamilton pulls off
    a huge solo win ... ummmm just need to ...ummmm change the interviews ... ummmm to make it more like
    Hulk Hogan's!! Then you'd get coverage!! "I pity the fool who tries to crash in front of me again
    ..." ... Get Muz out there punching the riders ... or forcing them off the road ... yea then ABC
    will pick it up.

    As a final note ... i love visiting EPX, can pick up some cool carbon stuff direct from the importer
    and they are right next to the Home Depot #20 car's home base ... they have a HOT shop!!

    s http://boardnbike.com

    "Tony Austn" <[email protected]_screw_spam> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > It should be called RedneckCAR. Anyway, I think the reason why cycling is not as huge in America
    > as RedneckCAR is that promoters can't sell tickets to it even though cycling events bring out just
    > as many people to watch.
    >
    > In Japan Kirin racing is way popular
     
  4. Curt

    Curt Guest

    I think it is because people in the US are too fat to ride bikes. Lets face
    it....look around. People in the US can relate better to talentless people that can press a gas
    petal. Oh, you don't think it is talentless? Well, what other sport has ALL the racers sons
    taking over for their fathers. Jack Nickolaus's son couldn't make it. There are a couple baseball
    players sons, but certainly not many made the cut. NASCAR, all the sons can do it, because it
    takes NO talent, just a great sponsor. Biking in races is amazing. I can't watch the final day of
    the Tour here in Pittsburgh because they are going to just air some sort of recap later in the
    day. I am not too happy over that, being that I was looking forward to watching it.

    Enjoy, Curt

    "Tony Austn" <[email protected]_screw_spam> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > It should be called RedneckCAR. Anyway, I think the reason why cycling is not as huge in America
    > as RedneckCAR is that promoters can't sell tickets to it even though cycling events bring out just
    > as many people to watch.
    >
    > In Japan Kirin racing is way popular
     
  5. Sam

    Sam Guest

    "Tony Austn" <[email protected]_screw_spam> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > It should be called RedneckCAR. Anyway, I think the reason why cycling is not as huge in America
    > as RedneckCAR is that promoters can't sell tickets to it even though cycling events bring out just
    > as many people to watch.
    >
    > In Japan Kirin racing is way popular

    I think the imagine of NASCAR as a redneck event (I have a tough time calling a sport) is quite
    outdated. You will find people of all socioeconomic classes and political persuasions at NASCAR
    events. Events are held in NH and Vegas to name a couple out of the "Bible belt". It does have a
    history of Southern domination and begin in the South.

    Betting helps make Keirin exciting in Japan. Betting makes football and the NCAA basketball
    tournament more popular in the US.

    Car racing has been popular, I believe, because Americans have had a love affair with cars going
    back to the early part of the 20th century (was not always that way, but that is another story).
    Also, I think everyone over the age of 16 thinks of themselves as being able to do that. How often
    here do posters falsely think that anyone can drive in a circle and turn left? That same argument
    can be made about bicycling--anyone (except one of my nieces) can ride a bike.

    NASCAR has only recently been as widely popular as it is now.
     
  6. Chris

    Chris Guest

    "curt" <[email protected]> wrote in news:[email protected]:

    > I think it is because people in the US are too fat to ride bikes. Lets face it....look around.
    > People in the US can relate better to talentless people that can press a gas petal. Oh, you don't
    > think it is talentless? Well, what other sport has ALL the racers sons taking over for their
    > fathers. Jack Nickolaus's son couldn't make it. There are a couple baseball players sons, but
    > certainly not many made the cut. NASCAR, all the sons can do it, because it takes NO talent, just
    > a great sponsor. Biking in races is amazing. I can't watch the final day of the Tour here in
    > Pittsburgh because they are going to just air some sort of recap later in the day. I am not too
    > happy over that, being that I was looking forward to watching it.
    >
    > Enjoy, Curt
    >
    > "Tony Austn" <[email protected]_screw_spam> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    >> It should be called RedneckCAR. Anyway, I think the reason why cycling is not as huge in America
    >> as RedneckCAR is that promoters can't sell tickets to it even though cycling events bring out
    >> just as many people to watch.
    >>
    >> In Japan Kirin racing is way popular
    >
    >
    >

    ok think about it. USA-cars are god. Nascar looks like what you drive everyday Bikes are things that
    slow down you in you car.

    so in your 'free time' you watch cars-gives americians warm feeling- not cyclists
     
  7. Sam

    Sam Guest

    The NYT article that has been posted several times points out that the promoter of the TDF required
    OLN to sell some of the time to a major network in order to get the deal. Sounds like OLN figured
    better to be able to provide 196 (I read that figure) of air time (counting replays obviously) than
    nothing. I for one am glad to make that trade off.

    It was also good to see that the deal was extended to the end of the decade.

    "smiles" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > You must be a troll ... but I'll feed you anyway ... NASCAR is popular
    with
    > tons of people, coast to coast, why do you think so many events are moving west?? Once people can
    > figure out how to make money on the sport of
    cycling
    > it will grow ... also, unless you are in a cycling friendly community, you're hosed ... i ride in
    > Northeast Atlanta area and it's nuts ... no
    bike
    > lane and people on average drive 15mph over the posted speed limit.
    >
    > As for NASCAR being "redneck" ... what current event is being broadcast between hunting and
    > fishing shows anyway?? They are not showing an event live because it would preempt some of their
    > award winning gun shows ...
    even
    > though that event is the final after a month of long racing!! ... i say
    this
    > years Tour is a stage, way too much drama to be real ... Lance crashes and wins a stage ... Jan
    > crashes and hands lance the win ... Beloki crashes
    and
    > almost takes Lance out ... Hamilton pulls off a huge solo win ... ummmm
    just
    > need to ...ummmm change the interviews ... ummmm to make it more like Hulk Hogan's!! Then you'd
    > get coverage!! "I pity the fool who tries to crash in front of me again ..." ... Get Muz out there
    > punching the riders ... or forcing them off the road ... yea then
    ABC
    > will pick it up.
    >
    > As a final note ... i love visiting EPX, can pick up some cool carbon
    stuff
    > direct from the importer and they are right next to the Home Depot #20
    car's
    > home base ... they have a HOT shop!!
    >
    > s http://boardnbike.com
    >
    > "Tony Austn" <[email protected]_screw_spam> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > It should be called RedneckCAR. Anyway, I think the reason why cycling is not as huge in America
    > > as RedneckCAR is that promoters can't sell tickets to it even though cycling events bring out
    > > just as many people to watch.
    > >
    > > In Japan Kirin racing is way popular
    >
    >
     
  8. Sam

    Sam Guest

    I think they are talented in what they do. One reason they might be better is that they grow up in
    auto racing so their development might be advanced.

    I will not argue that their connections do not hurt, but If they do not win (or at least make
    money), they will be out pretty soon.

    Few drivers have outside endorsement deals (the same with golfers) that pay huge sums of money. They
    have to produce to stay around.

    "curt" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    > I think it is because people in the US are too fat to ride bikes. Lets
    face
    > it....look around. People in the US can relate better to talentless
    people
    > that can press a gas petal. Oh, you don't think it is talentless? Well, what other sport has ALL
    > the racers sons taking over for their fathers. Jack Nickolaus's son couldn't make it. There are a
    > couple baseball
    players
    > sons, but certainly not many made the cut. NASCAR, all the sons can do
    it,
    > because it takes NO talent, just a great sponsor. Biking in races is amazing. I can't watch the
    > final day of the Tour here in Pittsburgh
    because
    > they are going to just air some sort of recap later in the day. I am not too happy over that,
    > being that I was looking forward to watching it.
    >
    > Enjoy, Curt
    >
    > "Tony Austn" <[email protected]_screw_spam> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > It should be called RedneckCAR. Anyway, I think the reason why cycling is not as huge in America
    > > as RedneckCAR is that promoters can't sell tickets to it even though cycling events bring out
    > > just as many people to watch.
    > >
    > > In Japan Kirin racing is way popular
     
  9. Curt

    Curt Guest

    You have got to be kidding. Pro golfers, baseball players, tennis players and whatever elses son's
    grow up around the sport their professional dad's are playing. NASCAR drivers are a dime a dozen.
    You can find anyone to do it really. There is no talent involved or very little.

    Racing a bike for days is not something most any person can do. These guys are amazing....who could
    ever say that about a NASCAR driver. They are not amazing in any way. They sit in a car and drive. I
    guess that is why it is so popular. Americans think they are like them when they drive down the road
    or something. I personally think NASCAR is boring. Now if you want to watch drivers that don't just
    go around in a circle, watch Formula one. Those guys at least have to drive.

    Curt

    "Sam" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    > I think they are talented in what they do. One reason they might be better is that they grow up in
    > auto racing so their development might be advanced.
    >
    > I will not argue that their connections do not hurt, but If they do not
    win
    > (or at least make money), they will be out pretty soon.
    >
    > Few drivers have outside endorsement deals (the same with golfers) that
    pay
    > huge sums of money. They have to produce to stay around.
    >
    >
    > "curt" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    > > I think it is because people in the US are too fat to ride bikes. Lets
    > face
    > > it....look around. People in the US can relate better to talentless
    > people
    > > that can press a gas petal. Oh, you don't think it is talentless?
    Well,
    > > what other sport has ALL the racers sons taking over for their fathers. Jack Nickolaus's son
    > > couldn't make it. There are a couple baseball
    > players
    > > sons, but certainly not many made the cut. NASCAR, all the sons can do
    > it,
    > > because it takes NO talent, just a great sponsor. Biking in races is amazing. I can't watch the
    > > final day of the Tour here in Pittsburgh
    > because
    > > they are going to just air some sort of recap later in the day. I am
    not
    > > too happy over that, being that I was looking forward to watching it.
    > >
    > > Enjoy, Curt
    > >
    > > "Tony Austn" <[email protected]_screw_spam> wrote in message
    > > news:[email protected]...
    > > > It should be called RedneckCAR. Anyway, I think the reason why
    cycling
    > > > is not as huge in America as RedneckCAR is that promoters can't sell tickets to it even though
    > > > cycling events bring out just as many people to watch.
    > > >
    > > > In Japan Kirin racing is way popular
    > >
    >
     
  10. "Sam" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    >
    > "Tony Austn" <[email protected]_screw_spam> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > It should be called RedneckCAR. Anyway, I think the reason why cycling is not as huge in America
    > > as RedneckCAR is that promoters can't sell tickets to it even though cycling events bring out
    > > just as many people to watch.
    > >
    > > In Japan Kirin racing is way popular
    >
    > I think the imagine of NASCAR as a redneck event (I have a tough time calling a sport) is
    > quite outdated. You will find people of all socioeconomic classes and political persuasions at
    > NASCAR events.

    One thing they have in common: Fatties, all of them.
     
  11. Dashi Toshii

    Dashi Toshii Guest

    "Tony Austn" <[email protected]_screw_spam> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > It should be called RedneckCAR. Anyway, I think the reason why cycling is not as huge in America
    > as RedneckCAR is that promoters can't sell tickets to it even though cycling events bring out just
    > as many people to watch.
    >
    > In Japan Kirin racing is way popular

    Kirin is a very good Japanese beer.

    Keirin is a form of track bicycle racing where fans can legally wager on each race.

    Dashii
     
  12. Tony Austn

    Tony Austn Guest

    In article <[email protected]>, "Dashi Toshii" <[email protected]> wrote:

    > "Tony Austn" <[email protected]_screw_spam> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > It should be called RedneckCAR. Anyway, I think the reason why cycling is not as huge in America
    > > as RedneckCAR is that promoters can't sell tickets to it even though cycling events bring out
    > > just as many people to watch.
    > >
    > > In Japan Kirin racing is way popular
    >
    > Kirin is a very good Japanese beer.
    >
    > Keirin is a form of track bicycle racing where fans can legally wager on each race.
    >
    > Dashii

    My bad! Is Keirin fun to bet on and do they serve beer? If so, bring to an Indian reservation so we
    can watch and bet!
     
  13. Sam

    Sam Guest

    I guess everyone has their biases. I will give F1 drivers their due.

    I would say not everyone can do it. Again, people in the US say that about riding a bike as well.

    "curt" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    > You have got to be kidding. Pro golfers, baseball players, tennis players and whatever elses son's
    > grow up around the sport their professional dad's are playing. NASCAR drivers are a dime a dozen.
    > You can find anyone to
    do
    > it really. There is no talent involved or very little.
    >
    > Racing a bike for days is not something most any person can do. These
    guys
    > are amazing....who could ever say that about a NASCAR driver. They are
    not
    > amazing in any way. They sit in a car and drive. I guess that is why it
    is
    > so popular. Americans think they are like them when they drive down the road or something. I
    > personally think NASCAR is boring. Now if you want
    to
    > watch drivers that don't just go around in a circle, watch Formula one. Those guys at least have
    > to drive.
    >
    > Curt
    >
    > "Sam" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    > > I think they are talented in what they do. One reason they might be better is that they grow up
    > > in auto racing so their development might be advanced.
    > >
    > > I will not argue that their connections do not hurt, but If they do not
    > win
    > > (or at least make money), they will be out pretty soon.
    > >
    > > Few drivers have outside endorsement deals (the same with golfers) that
    > pay
    > > huge sums of money. They have to produce to stay around.
    > >
    > >
    > > "curt" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    > > > I think it is because people in the US are too fat to ride bikes.
    Lets
    > > face
    > > > it....look around. People in the US can relate better to talentless
    > > people
    > > > that can press a gas petal. Oh, you don't think it is talentless?
    > Well,
    > > > what other sport has ALL the racers sons taking over for their
    fathers.
    > > > Jack Nickolaus's son couldn't make it. There are a couple baseball
    > > players
    > > > sons, but certainly not many made the cut. NASCAR, all the sons can
    do
    > > it,
    > > > because it takes NO talent, just a great sponsor. Biking in races is amazing. I can't watch
    > > > the final day of the Tour here in Pittsburgh
    > > because
    > > > they are going to just air some sort of recap later in the day. I am
    > not
    > > > too happy over that, being that I was looking forward to watching it.
    > > >
    > > > Enjoy, Curt
    > > >
    > > > "Tony Austn" <[email protected]_screw_spam> wrote in message
    > > > news:[email protected]...
    > > > > It should be called RedneckCAR. Anyway, I think the reason why
    > cycling
    > > > > is not as huge in America as RedneckCAR is that promoters can't sell tickets to it even
    > > > > though cycling events bring out just as many
    people
    > > > > to watch.
    > > > >
    > > > > In Japan Kirin racing is way popular
    > > >
    > > >
    > >
    >
     
  14. Curt

    Curt Guest

    Sure most everyone can ride a bike, but I don't think too many people can ride the Tour de France,
    or most any race for that matter. That takes real talent and tremendous work.

    "Sam" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    > I guess everyone has their biases. I will give F1 drivers their due.
    >
    > I would say not everyone can do it. Again, people in the US say that
    about
    > riding a bike as well.
    >
    >
    > "curt" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    > > You have got to be kidding. Pro golfers, baseball players, tennis
    players
    > > and whatever elses son's grow up around the sport their professional
    dad's
    > > are playing. NASCAR drivers are a dime a dozen. You can find anyone to
    > do
    > > it really. There is no talent involved or very little.
    > >
    > > Racing a bike for days is not something most any person can do. These
    > guys
    > > are amazing....who could ever say that about a NASCAR driver. They are
    > not
    > > amazing in any way. They sit in a car and drive. I guess that is why
    it
    > is
    > > so popular. Americans think they are like them when they drive down the road or something. I
    > > personally think NASCAR is boring. Now if you
    want
    > to
    > > watch drivers that don't just go around in a circle, watch Formula one. Those guys at least have
    > > to drive.
    > >
    > > Curt
    > >
    > > "Sam" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    > > > I think they are talented in what they do. One reason they might be better is that they grow
    > > > up in auto racing so their development might
    be
    > > > advanced.
    > > >
    > > > I will not argue that their connections do not hurt, but If they do
    not
    > > win
    > > > (or at least make money), they will be out pretty soon.
    > > >
    > > > Few drivers have outside endorsement deals (the same with golfers)
    that
    > > pay
    > > > huge sums of money. They have to produce to stay around.
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > "curt" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > > > news:[email protected]...
    > > > > I think it is because people in the US are too fat to ride bikes.
    > Lets
    > > > face
    > > > > it....look around. People in the US can relate better to talentless
    > > > people
    > > > > that can press a gas petal. Oh, you don't think it is talentless?
    > > Well,
    > > > > what other sport has ALL the racers sons taking over for their
    > fathers.
    > > > > Jack Nickolaus's son couldn't make it. There are a couple baseball
    > > > players
    > > > > sons, but certainly not many made the cut. NASCAR, all the sons can
    > do
    > > > it,
    > > > > because it takes NO talent, just a great sponsor. Biking in races
    is
    > > > > amazing. I can't watch the final day of the Tour here in Pittsburgh
    > > > because
    > > > > they are going to just air some sort of recap later in the day. I
    am
    > > not
    > > > > too happy over that, being that I was looking forward to watching
    it.
    > > > >
    > > > > Enjoy, Curt
    > > > >
    > > > > "Tony Austn" <[email protected]_screw_spam> wrote in message
    > > > > news:[email protected]ewssvr22-ext.news.prodigy.com...
    > > > > > It should be called RedneckCAR. Anyway, I think the reason why
    > > cycling
    > > > > > is not as huge in America as RedneckCAR is that promoters can't
    sell
    > > > > > tickets to it even though cycling events bring out just as many
    > people
    > > > > > to watch.
    > > > > >
    > > > > > In Japan Kirin racing is way popular
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > >
    >
     
  15. Dick Durbin

    Dick Durbin Guest

    Tony Austn <[email protected]_screw_spam> wrote in message
    news:<[email protected]>...
    > It should be called RedneckCAR. Anyway, I think the reason why cycling is not as huge in America
    > as RedneckCAR is that promoters can't sell tickets to it even though cycling events bring out just
    > as many people to watch.

    I don't know if the black guy in the office next to me would appreciate being called a redneck.
    He's the biggest NASCAR fan I know. The guy has Awsome Bill From Dawsonville paraphernalia all over
    his office.

    > In Japan Kirin racing is way popular

    It would not exist if it were not a gambling vehicle.

    Dick Durbin
     
  16. J999w

    J999w Guest

    > People in the US can relate better to talentless people that can press a gas petal.

    Uh, make that gas pedal.

    I'll watch pro rally if they'll show it. Takes plenty of talent to do that.

    jw milwaukee
     
  17. Sam

    Sam Guest

    "Jkpoulos7" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > >
    > >It was also good to see that the deal was extended to the end of the
    decade.
    >
    > So those without OLN never get to see cycling. That will sure increase its popularity.

    Then contact your local cable provider and get all your friends and enemies to do it as well.

    I guess that since you do not get coverage, no else should either?

    I would rather have it on OLN live than the CBS "coverage".
     
  18. Merovingian

    Merovingian Guest

    I think that in American, watching cycling is boring. Here's a good example...

    I went on vacation recently and during the evening time (about 10ish), I was watching the recent
    Tour on OLN. I was totally into it because I too am a cyclist and I understand the strain and how
    brilliant these cyclist are and I could relate. So I enjoyed it. My Girlfriend, on the other hand,
    couldn't keep herself awake long enough to enjoy it and said it was boring. She isn't a cyclist so
    she couldn't relate to it to understand how brilliant these guys are.

    American's are stupid and can't stand sports without constant action and suspense. I think that
    NASCAR is more about the drama behind the scenes...not just the actual sport itself. Me personally,
    I can't stand watching it...but NASCAR Thunder 2003 on PS2 is pretty good. :)

    ___________________________________________________________
    "curt" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
    > I think it is because people in the US are too fat to ride bikes. Lets face
    > it....look around. People in the US can relate better to talentless people that can press a gas
    > petal. Oh, you don't think it is talentless? Well, what other sport has ALL the racers sons
    > taking over for their fathers. Jack Nickolaus's son couldn't make it. There are a couple
    > baseball players sons, but certainly not many made the cut. NASCAR, all the sons can do it,
    > because it takes NO talent, just a great sponsor. Biking in races is amazing. I can't watch
    > the final day of the Tour here in Pittsburgh because they are going to just air some sort of
    > recap later in the day. I am not too happy over that, being that I was looking forward to
    > watching it.
    >
    > Enjoy, Curt
    >
    > "Tony Austn" <[email protected]_screw_spam> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > It should be called RedneckCAR. Anyway, I think the reason why cycling is not as huge in America
    > > as RedneckCAR is that promoters can't sell tickets to it even though cycling events bring out
    > > just as many people to watch.
    > >
    > > In Japan Kirin racing is way popular
     
  19. Smiles

    Smiles Guest

    "curt" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    > I think it is because people in the US are too fat to ride bikes. Lets
    face
    > it....look around. People in the US can relate better to talentless
    people
    > that can press a gas petal. Oh, you don't think it is talentless? Well, what other sport has ALL
    > the racers sons taking over for their fathers.

    I look at this from another view having raced motorcycles, both MX and road, I had this debate with
    many ... it takes money to race and be fast ... but to be great is something more ... i have raced
    world class road racers before, and I was "fast" on a local level. It was depressing how fast they
    passed me ... excuse me ... how fast they lapped me:-(

    What about Axel Merckx??

    s http://boardnbike.com
     
  20. Amit

    Amit Guest

    "Sam" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >
    > I think the imagine of NASCAR as a redneck event (I have a tough time calling a sport) is quite
    > outdated. You will find people of all socioeconomic classes and political persuasions at NASCAR
    > events. Events are held in NH and Vegas to name a couple out of the "Bible belt". It does have a
    > history of Southern domination and begin in the South.
    >

    Tom Wolfe even wrote a short story about stock car racing :

    http://xroads.virginia.edu/g/DRBR/twolfe.html

    Hemingway mentioned the Tour of the Pays Basque in Sun Also Rises, but it was just part of
    the backdrop.

    -Amit
     
Loading...
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
Loading...