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Hi everyone

I am new to this group and thought I should introduce myself. I am a 30 y o Swedish woman. I am
currently expecting my first child (12 weeks pregnant). At my first antenatal cheup they discovered
that I have type 2 diabetes (most likely not gestational diabetes) .

I am now supposed to control my BG with diet. This is REALLY difficult being pregnant and all.
(Sometimes I have carvings for food like pasta with pesto or fries and burgers, potatoe crips and
dip or steak on toast, but I never give in to them).

I am thinking if it was only me I could allow myself to "fall off the waggon" every once in a while
but it is not just me, it's the baby as well.

On wednesday my diabetes nurse is going to teach me hjow to use injections so I can get started
straight away if my BG becomes higher. My values now are (all in mml/l) fasting around 6.5, before
meals 5.5 and an hour and a half after meals around 6-8 depending.

Are these values high or very high or what? I have no clue.

Also I have seen a diabetes nurse and a dietist but no doctor. Should I worry about that?

/Erika

I have a friend who went through 2 diabetic pregnancies.

Her (very good) doctor ordered her to keep her blood sugar below 6.7 mmol/L at all times.

If she exceeded 6.7 mmol/L "twice", she would be put on insulin.

She succeeded in avoiding insulin during the 1st pregnancy, she needed insulin during the second
pregnancy.

The danger from high blood sugar is miscarraige.

One trick she used to control morning blood sugars was to set her alarm for 3 a.m., wake, and eat
1/2 cup of peanuts.

Regards
Old Al

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Hi everyone

Hejsan Erika.

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I am new to this group and thought I should introduce myself. I am a 30 y o Swedish woman. I am
currently expecting my first child (12 weeks pregnant). At my first antenatal cheup they
discovered that I have type 2 diabetes (most likely not gestational diabetes) .

That's a shame.

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I am now supposed to control my BG with diet. This is REALLY difficult being pregnant and all.
(Sometimes I have carvings for food like pasta with pesto or fries and burgers, potatoe crips and
dip or steak on toast, but I never give in to them).

Your baby will be forever in your debt. I know I would be if I was the baby. Babies LOVE high
blood sugars but/and it makes them grow into HUGE babies, so it's definitely not a good thing
to have them, and your decision to keep off the foods that would guarantee a high BG is a very
good decision.

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I am thinking if it was only me I could allow myself to "fall off the waggon" every once in a
while but it is not just me, it's the baby as well.

Absolutely.

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On wednesday my diabetes nurse is going to teach me hjow to use injections so I can get started
straight away if my BG becomes higher. My values now are (all in mml/l) fasting around 6.5, before
meals 5.5 and an hour and a half after meals around 6-8 depending.

Are these values high or very high or what? I have no clue.

They are EXCELLENT values. A non diabetic would "average" levels at around 5 to 5.5, so your "non
medicated" numbers are very good.

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Also I have seen a diabetes nurse and a dietist but no doctor. Should I worry about that?

Not about the diabetes nurse, but about the "dietician" yes. If my own (and many others on here)
expereinces are anything to go by, your "dietician" will tell you to eat a HIGH carbohydrate diet to
"keep your sugar levels steady". This it might do, but unfortunetly your levels will be steady HIGH
and that's not good for you or your baby.

The generally accepted (on here) way is to eat a balanced diet where ALL the food types (fat,
protien and carbs) are eaten IN MODERATION. I try for a
33/33/33% split so I don't "low" anything. No LOW carbing, no LOW protien and no LOW fat. The
"dieticians" seem to think that 50 to 65% of your intake should be carbs, but I didn't
think very much of that idea and so it proved when I tried it. Sugars too high and too high
for too long.

Ta det lungt.

Beav

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Hi everyone

I am new to this group and thought I should introduce myself. I am a 30 y o Swedish woman. I am
currently expecting my first child (12 weeks pregnant). At my first antenatal cheup they
discovered that I have type 2 diabetes (most likely not gestational diabetes) .

Welcome to the group! I was diagnosed with GD at about the same time you were diagnoses. I think I
probably had type 2 back then too and not GD. I say this because it is early in the pregnancy for
it to be GD.

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I am now supposed to control my BG with diet. This is REALLY difficult being pregnant and all.
(Sometimes I have carvings for food like pasta with pesto or fries and burgers, potatoe crips and
dip or steak on toast, but I never give in to them).

Exercise can help too! I am lucky in that I had no real cravings during pregnancy except
occasionally for chocolate. One bite was enough to satisfy my craving. I was able to eat a lot more
carbs during pregnancy than I can now. This might not be typical. I also developed a thyroid problem
during pregnancy. My thyroid would be high one day and low the next. Because of this, I kept gaining
and losing weight, despite what I ate.

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I am thinking if it was only me I could allow myself to "fall off the waggon" every once in a
while but it is not just me, it's the baby as well.

That's true. If you are truly craving something, you can probably find a way to work it into your
diet. But you might have to eat very little of it.

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On wednesday my diabetes nurse is going to teach me hjow to use injections so I can get started
straight away if my BG becomes higher. My values now are (all in mml/l) fasting around 6.5, before
meals 5.5 and an hour and a half after meals around 6-8 depending.

The 8 sounds a little high. Pregnant women must adhere to a stricter set of numbers than non
pregnant diabetics. Since I was pregnant 6 years ago, things may have changed since then.

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Are these values high or very high or what? I have no clue.

Also I have seen a diabetes nurse and a dietist but no doctor. Should I worry about that?

Who was it that diagnosed the diabetes? Different countries seem to do things differently. Here
(USA) it is common to see a Dr. right away when pregnant. I saw my Dr. at least once a week after
the diagnosis of diabetes. Towards the end of the pregnancy, I was going in twice weekly. Had non-
stress tests once a week and Ultrasounds once a week. Also lab and urine tests once a week. Was also
seeing an Endocrinologist in addition to the Ob/Gyn.

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Erika said:

am new to this group and thought I should introduce myself. I am a 30 y o Swedish woman. I am
currently expecting my first child (12 weeks pregnant). At my first antenatal cheup they
discovered that I have type 2 diabetes (most likely not gestational diabetes) .

Hi Erika Welcome. I'm very nervous about giving advice to someone in your situation - so I won't :-)
I'm sure some of the ladies, and educated men, in the group will. Best wishes in your pregnancy and
your health, read lots and come back often.

Cheers Alan, T2, Oz dx May 2002, diet and exercise.
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Hi everyone

I am new to this group and thought I should introduce myself. I am a 30 y o Swedish woman.

Cool

I am currently expecting my first child (12

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weeks pregnant).

good bye - kiddin - congrats

At my first antenatal cheup they discovered that I

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have type 2 diabetes (most likely not gestational diabetes) .

hey guess what? im diabetic too - what are the chances of that

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I am now supposed to control my BG with diet.

what about exercise?

This is REALLY difficult

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being pregnant and all.

i can only amagine

(Sometimes I have carvings for food like pasta

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with pesto or fries and burgers, potatoe crips and dip or steak on toast, but I never give in
to them).

did your doctor say you couldnt? i have past ( whole wheat and it taste better than reg to me) i
went to a dietitian and got all those things included in my diet. dont mean to be rubbing it in on
you - just letting you see - not all diabetics are the same.

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I am thinking if it was only me I could allow myself to "fall off the waggon" every once in a
while but it is not just me, it's the baby as well.

seems like you have some pretty good will power. if you are on a healthy diet that is great.

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On wednesday my diabetes nurse is going to teach me hjow to use injections so I can get started
straight away if my BG becomes higher. My values now are (all in mml/l) fasting around 6.5, before
meals 5.5 and an hour and a half after meals around 6-8 depending.

sorry i never bothered to learn that method.

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Are these values high or very high or what? I have no clue.

how long ago did you find out you had diabetes?

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Also I have seen a diabetes nurse and a dietist but no doctor. Should I worry about that?

you are having a baby you are diabetic and have not seen a doctor yet? or did you mean you didnt see
one in a while? lol or you mean your doctor isnt a specialist in diabetes? or oooo so many or's see
a doctor that specializes in diabetes.

here is a link to the American Diabetes Associations web site.
diabetes.orgdefault.jspOpen ↗

i wish you will-power and knowledge lol yea yea i know it sounds corny. Tom

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/Erika

The first ten years of your life you try to be just like your parents. Then for then years you try
to be as little as your parents as possible. Then you gradually change in to them.

Beav said:

Not about the diabetes nurse, but about the "dietician" yes. If my own (and many others on here)
expereinces are anything to go by, your "dietician" will tell you to eat a HIGH carbohydrate diet
to "keep your sugar levels steady". This it might do, but unfortunetly your levels will be steady
HIGH and that's not good for you or your baby.

The generally accepted (on here) way is to eat a balanced diet where ALL the food types (fat,
protien and carbs) are eaten IN MODERATION. I try for a
33/33/33% split so I don't "low" anything. No LOW carbing, no LOW protien and no LOW fat. The
"dieticians" seem to think that 50 to 65% of your intake should be carbs, but I didn't think
very much of that idea and so it proved when I tried it. Sugars too high and too high for too
long.

Ta det lungt.

Beav

Actually the dietician said to eat 1/3-1/3-1/3 split. And even though I am over weight (how much I
don´t know since I NEVER wreigh myself) she stressed that I should NOT loose weight during the
pregnancy but that seems impossible with this diet.

I also gave up smoking as soon as I found out I was pregnant so this i slike a double whammie. I do
how ever allow my self some nuts now and then (walnut and hazel nut).

The hardest thing seems to be drinks. I really don´t like the taste of the "diet"-sodas. The only
one that seems drinkable at all is Sprite Zero. With meals I drink sparkling mineralwater but I am
after something nice to drink on a weekend night. Hm... search goes on...

/Erika

The first ten years of your life you try to be just like your parents. Then for then years you try
to be as little as your parents as possible. Then you gradually change in to them.

Julie Bove said:

Who was it that diagnosed the diabetes? Different countries seem to do things differently. Here
(USA) it is common to see a Dr. right away when pregnant. I saw my Dr. at least once a week after
the diagnosis of diabetes. Towards the end of the pregnancy, I was going in twice weekly. Had non-
stress tests once a week and Ultrasounds once a week. Also lab and urine tests once a week. Was
also seeing an Endocrinologist in addition to the Ob/Gyn.

Well we have very highly qualified midwives in Sweden so if you have a normal pregnancy you never
see a doctor, only the midwife.

At my first antenatal appointment the midwife took som test and BG was too high. The following
day I had to come back for a glucose imparement test (is that the correct term?) The BG was 13.1
after 2 hs.

The midwife then organized an appointment with a diabetes nurse the next day.

The diabetes nurse never did any tests, just showed me how to test my BG and told me the basics
about how to eat, gave me some broschures and referred me to the dietician.

I now have to test my BG seven times a day, three days a week. Once a week I report to the diabetes
nurse and tell here my BG values.

Once a month I go for proper tests. (first time today) They then do urine sample, BG and Hba1c.

That is the way it looks now.

/Erika

The first ten years of your life you try to be just like your parents. Then for then years you try
to be as little as your parents as possible. Then you gradually change in to them.

On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 16:08:51 -0600, "Shadow Spirit"

MrGantlet911(remove)@yahoo.com said:

what about exercise?

I am told to keep up the swimming (I already used to go swimming twice a week)

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did your doctor say you couldnt? i have past ( whole wheat and it taste better than reg to me) i
went to a dietitian and got all those things included in my diet. dont mean to be rubbing it in on
you - just letting you see - not all diabetics are the same.

I am told by the dietician to not eat just pasta for a meal. I have to eat a third veg and a third
protein as well.

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how long ago did you find out you had diabetes?

Three weeks ago.

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Also I have seen a diabetes nurse and a dietist but no doctor. Should I worry about that?

you are having a baby you are diabetic and have not seen a doctor yet? or did you mean you didnt
see one in a while? lol or you mean your doctor isnt a specialist in diabetes? or oooo so many or's
see a doctor that specializes in diabetes.

I actually saw a doctor today, the gynecologist. Normally you don´t see a doctor when your pregnant
in Sweden. The midwifes are so highly trained (4 years at university) that it isn´t considered to be
necessary.

I was referred to the gyno only because I have a risk pregnancy. I must say it was pointless though.
Nothing new came up.

About seeing a doctor about the diabetes the diabetes team doesn´t think it is necessary. The
diabetes nurse is fully competent to deal with it. (I asked today).

/Erika

The first ten years of your life you try to be just like your parents. Then for then years you try
to be as little as your parents as possible. Then you gradually change in to them.

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I now have to test my BG seven times a day, three days a week. Once a week I report to the
diabetes nurse and tell here my BG values.

I am very surprised that they would have you testing so often, and yet only three days a week. What
happens during the other four days?

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Once a month I go for proper tests. (first time today) They then do urine sample, BG and Hba1c.

That is the way it looks now.

I guess things are done differently in this country. Midwifes are pretty uncommon here, although we
do have them.

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Beav said:

Not about the diabetes nurse, but about the "dietician" yes. If my own

(and

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many others on here) expereinces are anything to go by, your "dietician" will tell you to eat a
HIGH carbohydrate diet to "keep your sugar levels steady". This it might do, but unfortunetly
your levels will be steady

HIGH

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and that's not good for you or your baby.

The generally accepted (on here) way is to eat a balanced diet where ALL

the

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food types (fat, protien and carbs) are eaten IN MODERATION. I try for a
33/33/33% split so I don't "low" anything. No LOW carbing, no LOW protien and no LOW fat. The
"dieticians" seem to think that 50 to 65% of your

intake

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should be carbs, but I didn't think very much of that idea and so it

proved

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when I tried it. Sugars too high and too high for too long.

Ta det lungt.

Beav

Actually the dietician said to eat 1/3-1/3-1/3 split.

Go back, kidnap her, take her home and frame her. She's a one off and she's GOT to be worth a
few quid :-)

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And even though I am over weight (how much I don´t know since I NEVER wreigh myself) she stressed
that I should NOT loose weight during the pregnancy but that seems impossible with this diet.

Never being pregnant myself (wow:-) I don't know if weight loss diets are a good thing or a bad
thing, but I'd go along with the thought that they're probably NOT good. With that in mind, I'd
concentrate more on keeping my BG as tightly controlled as humanly possible for the baby, and THEN
look at changing things to lose some weight (if that's what you ultimately want)

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I also gave up smoking as soon as I found out I was pregnant so this i slike a double whammie. I
do how ever allow my self some nuts now and then (walnut and hazel nut).

I don't suppose a few nuts now and again is going to hurt yu in any way, so I wouldn't worry.

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The hardest thing seems to be drinks. I really don´t like the taste of the "diet"-sodas. The only
one that seems drinkable at all is Sprite Zero.

But you're not still drinking NON "diet" drinks I hope?

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With meals I drink sparkling mineralwater but I am after something nice to drink on a weekend
night. Hm... search goes on...

What about a nice cup o' tea?

Hej

Beav

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. . .(snip). . .

I actually saw a doctor today, the gynecologist. Normally you don´t see a doctor when your pregnant
in Sweden. The midwifes are so highly trained (4 years at university) that it isn´t considered to
be necessary.

I was referred to the gyno only because I have a risk pregnancy. I must say it was pointless
though. Nothing new came up.

About seeing a doctor about the diabetes the diabetes team doesn´t think it is necessary. The
diabetes nurse is fully competent to deal with it. (I asked today).

/Erika

I have been an engineer for over 35 years, in some cases watching over other peoples' lives.

Statements like:

". . .About seeing a doctor about the diabetes the diabetes team doesn´t

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think it is necessary. The diabetes nurse is fully competent to deal with it. (I asked today). . ."

would make the Fire and Explosion oversight committees that supervised me very, very, nervous.

I don't want to nag you, but I must remind you that you have the final responsibility in this matter
(after all you are spending 24 hours a day, 7 days a week with your baby). Be very alert, be very
cautious, learn as much as you can about this matter.

I do not wish to scare you or otherwise make your pregnancy unpleasant. You have good care and will
have a fine, healthy child, just as my diabetic friend did, both times.

However, in order to be certain that you receive the best care, you must be alert and aware and
aggressive, especially aggresive.

Regards
Old Al

On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 23:55:19 -0500, "Julie Bove" <[email hidden]> wrote: <snip>

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I am very surprised that they would have you testing so often, and yet only three days a week. What
happens during the other four days?

I am to keep the same diet, no experiments. I test my self every other day so every seccond week I
test my self four days instead.

/Erika

The first ten years of your life you try to be just like your parents. Then for then years you try
to be as little as your parents as possible. Then you gradually change in to them.

Beav said:

But you're not still drinking NON "diet" drinks I hope?

Of course not.

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What about a nice cup o' tea?

Yeah I have that for breakfast, in the afternoon and once ion the evening. Shouldn´t really drink
more since it is dehydrating to drink tea.

/Erika

The first ten years of your life you try to be just like your parents. Then for then years you try
to be as little as your parents as possible. Then you gradually change in to them.

Julie Bove said:

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I now have to test my BG seven times a day, three days a week. Once a week I report to the
diabetes nurse and tell here my BG values.

I am very surprised that they would have you testing so often, and yet only three days a week.
What happens during the other four days?

It seems very odd.

I think I'd ask why if testing 7 times a day every other day is good, why wouldn't you test 7 time
every day?

I'd be really interested in the answer.

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Uncloaking, Shields up.

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On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 23:55:19 -0500, "Julie Bove" <[email hidden]> wrote: <snip>

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I am very surprised that they would have you testing so often, and yet

only

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three days a week. What happens during the other four days?

I am to keep the same diet, no experiments. I test my self every other day so every seccond week I
test my self four days instead.

Yes, but there are other things besides food that affect BG. Such as stress, illness, exercise, and
if you are pregnant, hormone levels. For many pregnant women, BG gets harder and harder to control
towards the end of the pregnancy. And I think if you use insulin, you must test before and after
eating, always. I have never used insulin however, so I could be wrong there.

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On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 23:55:19 -0500, "Julie Bove" <[email hidden]> wrote: <snip>

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I am very surprised that they would have you testing so often, and yet

only

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three days a week. What happens during the other four days?

I am to keep the same diet, no experiments.

Erika.

If you're testing and recording the results, what's being done WITH the results if you've been
instructed "not to experiment"? Seems to me that testing is done so you can find out exactly what
you CAN eat without a major impact on your BG and what you should avoid. Not experimenting means
that your BG will be the same today as it was yesterday, which doesn't exactly set me on fire.

I test my self every

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other day so every seccond week I test my self four days instead.

And you're doing "what" to lower your BG/s?

Beav

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K'neH'a'Iw said:

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I now have to test my BG seven times a day, three days a week. Once a week I report to the
diabetes nurse and tell here my BG values.

I am very surprised that they would have you testing so often, and yet only three days a week.
What happens during the other four days?

It seems very odd.

I think I'd ask why if testing 7 times a day every other day is good, why wouldn't you test 7 time
every day?

I'd be really interested in the answer.

I think the comparison is between testing 7 times every other day and testing 4 times every day.

I've seen testing regimens that involve testing twice a day. The first test might always be fasting,
but the second one would always be at a different time.

--
AF

K'neH'a'Iw said:

I think I'd ask why if testing 7 times a day every other day is good, why wouldn't you test 7 time
every day?

I'd be really interested in the answer.

I have been ordered by the diabetes nurse to do it seven times day on specific times. (fasting,
after breakfast, before lunch, an hour and a half after lunch, before dinner, an hour and a half
after dinner and at ten o´clock at night) By doing it every other day it doesn´t always fall on the
same day of the week.

I am sure she know what she is doing, she has been working with these things for 20 years and a
doctor is connected to the diabetes team as well.

/Erika

The first ten years of your life you try to be just like your parents. Then for then years you try
to be as little as your parents as possible. Then you gradually change in to them.

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Beav said:

But you're not still drinking NON "diet" drinks I hope?

Of course not.

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What about a nice cup o' tea?

Yeah I have that for breakfast, in the afternoon and once ion the evening. Shouldn´t really drink
more since it is dehydrating to drink tea.

I must be dehydrated half to death then:-) I only drink tea about once every hour (or more:-)

Beav