OS Licence

Why not check the OS website before posting? It took me all of 30 seconds
to find this page:

ordnancesurvey.co.ukcopyrighOpen ↗
t/faq/internet.html

(See the section entitled "I am a walker wishing to publish
my walks on the internet – what licence would I need?"😉

Jim

On Sat, 29 May 2004 11:09:40 +0100, Tony Henley

newsAT(changeto@)henleyandbrownnospam.net said:

Can anyone tell me how much the OS charge for the use of
their maps on a website. I want to use them to illustrte
the routes of some walks.
P.S. I don't anticipate making any money from this website
! Thanks.

Jim Willsher

Homepages at jimwillsher.co.ukjimwillsher.co.ukOpen ↗

On Sat, 29 May 2004 11:09:40 +0100, Tony Henley

newsAT(changeto@)henleyandbrownnospam.net said:

Can anyone tell me how much the OS charge for the use of
their maps on a website. I want to use them to illustrte
the routes of some walks.
P.S. I don't anticipate making any money from this website
! Thanks.

Well for 1:25000 and smaller, downloaded see:

getamap.co.ukgetamap.co.ukOpen ↗

I have done this:

horsellcommon.co.ukriverside.htmlOpen ↗

Which I hope complies, though the site is not
officially live yet.

For other maps you need the paper map copying license, of
which I know little as it costs money ;-).

I'm off to the Brecon Horseshoe next week, anyone know of a
list of waypoints for the walk? I think I have mapped it
from a walk description but would like to check. What's the
next cheapest way of putting waypoints in to Garmin 12xl
after the manual method? I do have a data cable.

AJH

In a recent message
<[email hidden]>, Jim Willsher
<[email hidden]> wrote.

Quoted message said:

Why not check the OS website before posting? It took me all
of 30 seconds to find this page:

ordnancesurvey.co.ukcopyrigOpen ↗
ht/faq/internet.html

(See the section entitled "I am a walker wishing to publish
my walks on the internet – what licence would I need?"😉

[...]

With respect Jim, you have a look at that link and then tell
me what the charge would be for a walker to put bits of OS
map on his own not-for-profit web site.

Regards, Nick.
--
Nick Hopton and Anne Hopton Caversham, Reading, England
<[email hidden]

In a recent message
<[email hidden]>,
[email hidden] wrote.

[...]

Quoted message said:

What's the next cheapest way of putting waypoints in
to Garmin 12xl after the manual method? I do have a
data cable.

[...]

GPS Trackmaker, free from:

gpstm.comgpstm.comOpen ↗

It's good and you can't get cheaper than this <g>.

Regards, Nick.
--
Nick Hopton and Anne Hopton Caversham, Reading, England
<[email hidden]

Quoted message said:

Can anyone tell me how much the OS charge for the use of
their maps on a website. I want to use them to illustrte
the routes of some walks.
P.S. I don't anticipate making any money from this website
! Thanks.

If I read the condition correctly it says:

You are authorised to download a maximum of 10 images from
the Get-a-map service for use on your web pages, providing
the following credit appears below all images ...snip....

Therefore, surely you can download ten images, your wife can
download ten, your dog can download ten etc.

It does not say you cannot display more than 10 images on
your website; even if it did ten images could be yours, ten
your wife's and ten your dog's etc.

I honestly don't think they are going to get too worried
about a small number of images on a small site. It would be
different for a full blown commercial site.

Quoted message said:

Well for 1:25000 and smaller, downloaded see:

getamap.co.ukgetamap.co.ukOpen ↗

I can't even get a map to appear on the screen. It's just
stuck on "Retrieving Image".

Quoted message said:

I have done this:

horsellcommon.co.ukriverside.htmlOpen ↗

Which I hope complies, though the site is not officially
live yet.

For other maps you need the paper map copying license, of
which I know little as it costs money ;-).

I'm off to the Brecon Horseshoe next week, anyone know of
a list of waypoints for the walk?

No walk, but summit waypoints here; wilderness-wilderness-Open ↗
wales.co.uk/wm/bb/bb.html

Paul
--
wilderness-wales.co.ukwilderness-wales.co.ukOpen ↗
wildwales.fsnet.co.ukwildwales.fsnet.co.ukOpen ↗
photosig.comuserphotosOpen ↗

On Sat, 29 May 2004 12:00:43 +0100, Jim Willsher <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Why not check the OS website before posting? It took me all
of 30 seconds to find this page:

ordnancesurvey.co.ukcopyrigOpen ↗
ht/faq/internet.html

(See the section entitled "I am a walker wishing to publish
my walks on the internet – what licence would I need?"😉

Jim

Yes Jim, I did read that and quite a few other pages on
the OS website.. However, it isn't clear to me how much
it costs unless I am only using a maximum of 10 images.
As I currently have some 30+ walks written up this is
not suitable

John <john.burton@no_spam.journeymen.co.uk> wrote in
:"]news:[email hidden]:

Quoted message said:

I honestly don't think they are going to get too worried
about a small number of images on a small site. It would
be different for a full blown commercial site.

That's proved not to be the case - they get very upset! Look
on Google for copyright discussions in this ng. They also
have strong views on maps drawn by you based, in their
opinion, on information derived from OS maps.

At least one member of this ng has been forced to take down
such maps!

Stuart

John said:

If I read the condition correctly it says:

You are authorised to download a maximum of 10 images from
the Get-a-map service for use on your web pages, providing
the following credit appears below all images ...snip....

How you read it and how they mean it are two different
things. Much as we'd like to agree with your definition, I
think the *intention* is obvious.

Quoted message said:

Therefore, surely you can download ten images, your wife
can download ten, your dog can download ten etc.

Certainly.

Quoted message said:

It does not say you cannot display more than 10 images on
your website; even if it did ten images could be yours,
ten your wife's and ten your dog's etc.

I think it means that 10 would need to be on your wife's
website and 10 on your dog's...

Quoted message said:

I honestly don't think they are going to get too worried
about a small number of images on a small site. It would
be different for a full blown commercial site.

I honestly think they are, given the hassle that some
subscribers to this newsgroup have had in the past. It
would be nice to be naive and idealistic, but
unfortunately the OS are not so forgiving. I had the
misfortune to visit their HQ in person once and they were
indeed miserable and intolerant. Power has gone to their
heads. They don't understand the meaning or significance
of the phrase "non-profit".

Paul
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"Tony Henley" <newsAT(changeto@)henleyandbrownnospam.net>
schreef in bericht
"]news:[email hidden]... snip

Quoted message said:

Yes Jim, I did read that and quite a few other pages on
the OS website.. However, it isn't clear to me how much it
costs unless I am only using a maximum of 10 images. As I
currently have some 30+ walks written up this is not
suitable

Is it possible to avoid paying if you make an 'artist
impression' using Photoshop or something similar ? A
painting has got a sort of copyright but you are free to
make your own version of the painting.

Theo

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

That's proved not to be the case - they get very upset!
Look on Google for copyright discussions in this ng. They
also have strong views on maps drawn by you based, in their
opinion, on information derived from OS maps.

At least one member of this ng has been forced to take down
such maps!

Stuart

I stand corrected (not being aware of previous problems) but
I would still argue the condition is too vague. With no
definition of website etc.

For example I have seven different websites with
different domain names all on the same server; as a uk
domain name only costs about £1.99 a year it would be
cheaper to have separate domain names for each area
rather than pay a licence.

Apologies, your posting didn't indicate you'd have lots of
images. OS allows free use for a limited number of images,
of limited size, just as long as you plaster your site with
copyright text.

If you start having lots of images the OS will start taking
exception.

Jim

On Sat, 29 May 2004 14:47:49 +0100, Tony Henley

newsAT(changeto@)henleyandbrownnospam.net said:

Jim Willsher said:

Why not check the OS website before posting? It took me
all of 30 seconds to find this page:

ordnancesurvey.co.ukcopyriOpen ↗
ght/faq/internet.html

(See the section entitled "I am a walker wishing to
publish my walks on the internet – what licence would
I need?"😉

Jim

Yes Jim, I did read that and quite a few other pages on
the OS website.. However, it isn't clear to me how much
it costs unless I am only using a maximum of 10 images.
As I currently have some 30+ walks written up this is
not suitable

Jim Willsher

Homepages at jimwillsher.co.ukjimwillsher.co.ukOpen ↗

Nick Hopton said:

With respect Jim, you have a look at that link and then
tell me what the charge would be for a walker to put bits
of OS map on his own not-for-profit web site.

As far as I can see - £49.50 for 10 maps, £4.50 for each
additional map, per year.

Each map section can be up to 50 1km squares in size.

Clearly the OS don't care whether your website is for
profit or not.

Paul
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photosig.comuserphotosOpen ↗

Tony Henley said:

Yes Jim, I did read that and quite a few other pages on
the OS website.. However, it isn't clear to me how much it
costs unless I am only using a maximum of 10 images. As I
currently have some 30+ walks written up this is not
suitable

Tuff then.

You're not the only one in the same situation. The OS have
no consideration for "non-profit" uses of their data.
Obviously never occurred to them that it might have a useful
advertising value.

Paul
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photosig.comuserphotosOpen ↗

John <john.burton@no_spam.journeymen.co.uk> wrote in
:"]news:[email hidden]:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

That's proved not to be the case - they get very upset!
Look on Google for copyright discussions in this ng. They
also have strong views on maps drawn by you based, in
their opinion, on information derived from OS maps.

At least one member of this ng has been forced to take
down such maps!

Stuart

I stand corrected

Sorry - didn't mean to sound "corrective" :-)

Quoted message said:

For example I have seven different websites with different
domain names all on the same server; as a uk domain name
only costs about £1.99 a year it would be cheaper to have
separate domain names for each area rather than pay a
licence.

Now there's an idea!

theo said:

"Tony Henley" <newsAT(changeto@)henleyandbrownnospam.net>
schreef in bericht
"]news:[email hidden]... snip

Quoted message said:

Yes Jim, I did read that and quite a few other pages on
the OS website.. However, it isn't clear to me how much
it costs unless I am only using a maximum of 10 images.
As I currently have some 30+ walks written up this is not
suitable

Is it possible to avoid paying if you make an 'artist
impression' using Photoshop or something similar ? A
painting has got a sort of copyright but you are free to
make your own version of the painting.

Regrettably not. If you include one of the OS's trick
mistakes to catch you out they will know where you got your
information from.
--
Phil Cook looking north over the park to the
"Westminster Gasworks"
95/284 5/219 c.100/300 (>900m with drop>100m )

John said:

I stand corrected (not being aware of previous problems)
but I would still argue the condition is too vague. With
no definition of website etc.

I agree.

Quoted message said:

For example I have seven different websites with different
domain names all on the same server; as a uk domain name
only costs about £1.99 a year it would be cheaper to have
separate domain names for each area rather than pay a
licence.

This occured to me also. With Lineone (now Tiscali) I had
5 separate website addresses with 10 meg available for
each, totalling 50 meg, which I combined into 1 effective
50 meg website.

Paul
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Phil Cook said:

Regrettably not. If you include one of the OS's trick
mistakes to catch you out they will know where you got
your information from.

Spotted by Roy (currently going by the name of Bootlaces I
believe), on the OS map OL12, at roughly SN692224, there are
two contour lines going by the number 250, in the direct
vicinity of a 353m spot height. Clearly these are not 250m
contour lines, they are 350m. Roy claims they are an
intentional mistake.

Paul
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In a recent message
<[email hidden]>, Tony Henley
<[email hidden]> wrote.

[...]

Quoted message said:

Yes Jim, I did read that and quite a few other pages on
the OS website.. However, it isn't clear to me how much
it costs unless I am only using a maximum of 10 images.
As I currently have some 30+ walks written up this is
not suitable

Just a thought Tony, you do know about GPS Visualizer? See:

gpsvisualizer.comgpsvisualizer.comOpen ↗

It's only 30-metre resolution, but it does provide a free
background for plotting tracks on. I use it for this
purpose, see for example:

hopton.dsl.pipex.comdummer.htmlOpen ↗

It's perhaps just a little better than nothing <g>. The
example on my site is not showing Visualizer at its best, I
reduced the file size by quite a lot for the web.

Regards, Nick.
--
Nick Hopton and Anne Hopton Caversham, Reading, England
<[email hidden]