Pit Bull!!!

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  1. Geob

    Geob Guest

    This morning I was putting my lovely new Vision fenders through a work-out, commuting in the rain
    (Primo Comets with the tread worn smooth are NOT the tire of choice for this). On my 8 mile commute
    to work I pass through the 'Projects' in order to cross the freeway on the pedestrian overcross.
    This morning all the dogs were out, and patrolling the streets! I got pass the knee-high dogs and
    thought I had it made, but then out charges a Big Scarred Male Pit Bull! Now, on my DF I was
    accustomed to dogs eye-balling my legs... on my VR40 things are different, like a couple of feet
    lower! This guy is evaluating my upper arm! He is right there, slobbering and growling and chomping,
    pert-near eye-to-eye with me. I am mentally reviewing how many large arteries are close to the
    surface there. There's no way I was gonna kick him, which, on my DF, has dissuaded lesser dogs in
    the past. It was immediately obvious to me that a different stratgem was in order. I generally hold
    headlong flight to be a viable negotiating tactic, but this guy is just idling along next to
    me. I mean, *right* next to me. No way am I gonna leave him behind. So Plan C. I attempted to build
    a relationship with him, based on commonalities and respect, of mutual progressive
    self-disclousure in an atmosphere of trust and acceptance. But all he would do was repeat
    himself, loudly. All I could catch was something like "... damn bikes... my territory.... make
    an example...".
     
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  2. Cletus Lee

    Cletus Lee Guest

    In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
    > ... This morning all the dogs were out, and patrolling the streets! I got pass the knee-high dogs
    > and thought I had it made, but then out charges a Big Scarred Male Pit Bull! ... It was
    > immediately obvious to me that a different stratgem was in order.

    Dazer!!! Check out the archives.
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    Cletus D. Lee Bacchetta Giro Lightning Voyager http://www.clee.org
    - Bellaire, TX USA -
     
  3. Freewheeling

    Freewheeling Guest

    Cletus:

    I have my doubts that the dazer will work on a determined dog. I've definitely had mixed results. It
    only seems to piss of some dogs. Probably sounds like Barry Manilo to them.

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    --Scott [email protected] Cut the "tail" to send email.

    "Cletus Lee" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    > In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
    > > ... This morning all the dogs were out, and patrolling the streets! I got pass the knee-high
    > > dogs and thought I had it made, but then out charges a Big Scarred Male Pit Bull! ... It was
    > > immediately obvious to me that a different stratgem was in order.
    >
    > Dazer!!! Check out the archives.
    > --
    >
    > Cletus D. Lee Bacchetta Giro Lightning Voyager http://www.clee.org
    > - Bellaire, TX USA -
     
  4. Derek Swift

    Derek Swift Guest

    Plan D: Sawed off shotgun

    Derek

    In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (GeoB) wrote:

    > This morning I was putting my lovely new Vision fenders through a work-out, commuting in the rain
    > (Primo Comets with the tread worn smooth are NOT the tire of choice for this). On my 8 mile
    > commute to work I pass through the 'Projects' in order to cross the freeway on the pedestrian
    > overcross. This morning all the dogs were out, and patrolling the streets! I got pass the
    > knee-high dogs and thought I had it made, but then out charges a Big Scarred Male Pit Bull! Now,
    > on my DF I was accustomed to dogs eye-balling my legs... on my VR40 things are different, like a
    > couple of feet lower! This guy is evaluating my upper arm! He is right there, slobbering and
    > growling and chomping, pert-near eye-to-eye with me. I am mentally reviewing how many large
    > arteries are close to the surface there. There's no way I was gonna kick him, which, on my DF, has
    > dissuaded lesser dogs in the past. It was immediately obvious to me that a different stratgem was
    > in order. I generally hold headlong flight to be a viable negotiating tactic, but this guy is just
    > idling along next to
    > me. I mean, *right* next to me. No way am I gonna leave him behind. So Plan C. I attempted to
    > build a relationship with him, based on commonalities and respect, of mutual progressive
    > self-disclousure in an atmosphere of trust and acceptance. But all he would do was repeat
    > himself, loudly. All I could catch was something like "... damn bikes... my territory....
    > make an example...".
     
  5. Ben Fox

    Ben Fox Guest

    I had much the same experience on my P-38 with a Great Dane . I was pedaling up a very steep hill on
    a P-38,so outrunning was not an option,but fear was! This dog decided to take a taste of my bicep
    and of course,being clipped in ,down I went. Lucky I was that after he bit me he backed off and gave
    me a chance to get up and put my bike between us. I didn't have any defense that day ,but now carry
    doggy mace and it does work. Never had a dog that didn't stop dead when hit with it. Just don't
    spray into the wind. Ben fox "GeoB" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > This morning I was putting my lovely new Vision fenders through a work-out, commuting in the rain
    > (Primo Comets with the tread worn smooth are NOT the tire of choice for this). On my 8 mile
    > commute to work I pass through the 'Projects' in order to cross the freeway on the pedestrian
    > overcross. This morning all the dogs were out, and patrolling the streets! I got pass the
    > knee-high dogs and thought I had it made, but then out charges a Big Scarred Male Pit Bull! Now,
    > on my DF I was accustomed to dogs eye-balling my legs... on my VR40 things are different, like a
    > couple of feet lower! This guy is evaluating my upper arm! He is right there, slobbering and
    > growling and chomping, pert-near eye-to-eye with me. I am mentally reviewing how many large
    > arteries are close to the surface there. There's no way I was gonna kick him, which, on my DF, has
    > dissuaded lesser dogs in the past. It was immediately obvious to me that a different stratgem was
    > in order. I generally hold headlong flight to be a viable negotiating tactic, but this guy is just
    > idling along next to
    > me. I mean, *right* next to me. No way am I gonna leave him behind. So Plan C. I attempted to
    > build a relationship with him, based on commonalities and respect, of mutual progressive
    > self-disclousure in an atmosphere of trust and acceptance. But all he would do was repeat
    > himself, loudly. All I could catch was something like "... damn bikes... my territory....
    > make an example...".
     
  6. John Foltz

    John Foltz Guest

    One word: TASER

    http://www.buckeyepersonalprotection.com/stunmaster625.htm I could see a holster on the steering
    riser to hold this baby.

    Disclaimer: this is just one of many online places to buy these things, I know nothing about this
    outfit in particular.
    --

    John Foltz --- O _ Baron --- _O _ V-Rex 24/63 --- _\\/\-%)
    _________(_)`=()___________________(_)= (_)_____
     
  7. Plan # ?? Make a call to the police on a mobile and get them to come and impound the 'dangerous
    attacking pit bill' dog. Try to make sure fido is having a bark and growl when the call goes through
    :) That should get the owners attention so they will fix the yard or to keep the gate closed, or
    the dog will go to sleep and that will stop it forever.

    "GeoB" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    > This morning I was putting my lovely new Vision fenders through a work-out, commuting in the rain
    > (Primo Comets with the tread worn smooth are NOT the tire of choice for this). On my 8 mile
    > commute to work I pass through the 'Projects' in order to cross the freeway on the pedestrian
    > overcross. This morning all the dogs were out, and patrolling the streets! I got pass the
    > knee-high dogs and thought I had it made, but then out charges a Big Scarred Male Pit Bull! Now,
    > on my DF I was accustomed to dogs eye-balling my legs... on my VR40 things are different, like a
    > couple of feet lower! This guy is evaluating my upper arm! He is right there, slobbering and
    > growling and chomping, pert-near eye-to-eye with me. I am mentally reviewing how many large
    > arteries are close to the surface there. There's no way I was gonna kick him, which, on my DF, has
    > dissuaded lesser dogs in the past. It was immediately obvious to me that a different stratgem was
    > in order. I generally hold headlong flight to be a viable negotiating tactic, but this guy is just
    > idling along next to
    > me. I mean, *right* next to me. No way am I gonna leave him behind. So Plan C. I attempted to
    > build a relationship with him, based on commonalities and respect, of mutual progressive
    > self-disclousure in an atmosphere of trust and acceptance. But all he would do was repeat
    > himself, loudly. All I could catch was something like "... damn bikes... my territory....
    > make an example...".
     
  8. Bethf

    Bethf Guest

    "Andrew & Joanne" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > Plan # ?? Make a call to the police on a mobile and get them to come and impound the 'dangerous
    > attacking pit bill' dog. Try to make sure fido is having a bark and growl when the call goes
    > through :) That should get the owners attention so they will fix the yard or to keep the gate
    > closed, or the dog will go to sleep and that will stop it
    forever.

    The best plan yet.
     
  9. The original poster said he was riding through the projects, so it is unlikely that a true owner
    would come forth. Calling animal control would be the best bet. And calling and calling and calling.
    I use a Dog Dazer. It has worked on some pretty nasty dogs. The trick is to let them get close
    enough. Really scary close. If you are trigger happy and signal from too far away, you will lose
    your element of surprise and the device probably does indeed sound like Manilow. I have pepper spray
    and it works well, but the chance of catching your self in the spray because of wind (or whatever)
    is greater than I'm comfortable with. I use the Halt if the Dazer doesn't catch em off guard. (rare)
    Perry bentcajungirl
     
  10. Bentbiker

    Bentbiker Guest

    This loose running dogs chap my ass. I hate people who sue frivolously, but if i get bit, or fall,
    i'm trying to find out who the owner is and getting an attorney

    Ben Fox wrote:
    > I had much the same experience on my P-38 with a Great Dane . I was pedaling up a very steep hill
    > on a P-38,so outrunning was not an option,but fear was! This dog decided to take a taste of my
    > bicep and of course,being clipped in ,down I went. Lucky I was that after he bit me he backed off
    > and gave me a chance to get up and put my bike between us. I didn't have any defense that day ,but
    > now carry doggy mace and it does work. Never had a dog that didn't stop dead when hit with it.
    > Just don't spray into the wind. Ben fox "GeoB" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    >
    >>This morning I was putting my lovely new Vision fenders through a work-out, commuting in the rain
    >>(Primo Comets with the tread worn smooth are NOT the tire of choice for this). On my 8 mile
    >>commute to work I pass through the 'Projects' in order to cross the freeway on the pedestrian
    >>overcross. This morning all the dogs were out, and patrolling the streets! I got pass the
    >>knee-high dogs and thought I had it made, but then out charges a Big Scarred Male Pit Bull! Now,
    >>on my DF I was accustomed to dogs eye-balling my legs... on my VR40 things are different, like a
    >>couple of feet lower! This guy is evaluating my upper arm! He is right there, slobbering and
    >>growling and chomping, pert-near eye-to-eye with me. I am mentally reviewing how many large
    >>arteries are close to the surface there. There's no way I was gonna kick him, which, on my DF, has
    >>dissuaded lesser dogs in the past. It was immediately obvious to me that a different stratgem was
    >>in order. I generally hold headlong flight to be a viable negotiating tactic, but this guy is just
    >>idling along next to
    >>me. I mean, *right* next to me. No way am I gonna leave him behind. So Plan C. I attempted to
    >> build a relationship with him, based on commonalities and respect, of mutual progressive
    >> self-disclousure in an atmosphere of trust and acceptance. But all he would do was repeat
    >> himself, loudly. All I could catch was something like "... damn bikes... my territory....
    >> make an example...".
    >
     
  11. Geob

    Geob Guest

    > I have my doubts that the dazer will work on a determined dog. I've definitely had mixed results.
    > It only seems to piss of some dogs. Probably sounds like Barry Manilo to them.

    Pitbulls are not wired right. Now, my intelligent and sensitive Border Collie would die if I pointed
    at him and spoke sharply. But I have known Pitbulls.. This one.. his low-life owners would hang a
    big wad of newspaper or cloth in a tree about 6-7' off the ground and light it on fire. When it was
    fully involved they would loose the beast. He would stand under it looking at it, chomping his jaws
    until he had a big mouthful of frothy doggie-sugar. Then he would jump up and bite the fire until it
    was out. Another Pitbull got firecrackers as a reward. Lit firecrackers which would go off in his
    mouth. He loved it. Sick, sick sick. Another.. his biker owner kept in the back yard. I walked back
    there, carefully choosing my footing. I saw a truck tire lying there that had been thrown away
    because it lost its tread. So I thought. He said, "OK, Brutus, get your toy". Brutus went over,
    twisted his neck sideways, BIT the edge of the tire, flipped his gigantic head, and the truck tire
    flipped up and wobbled about the yard before falling to rest again. Now, this truck tire had a steel
    rim in it. It was.. well, I know how, you know how.. you squat down, try to keep your back straight,
    lift with your legs. That kind of truck tire. This dog had RIPPED the tread off a truck tire with
    his teeth! His jaws were too big to fit inside a regulation basketball (no, I didn't try). His head
    didn't taper to his neck, it got larger as it went toward his shoulders.

    OK, enough about Pitbulls. I wouldn't wanna take a chance on exciting one with a Dazer even though
    my buddie uses one for his commute through the country (15.5 miles Fresno to Sanger) and claims it
    works well.

    I have no sawed-off shotgun. I do have a .357 magnum Model 686 w/ 180 grain hollow-point segmented
    bullets. I suppose I could press it against him and let fly without performing non-specific
    assasination on the neighborhood. It will stop a bear (hypothetically that is, as I think the
    poachers have killed the last one in this area) so maybe it will stop a Pitbull.
     
  12. Bentbiker

    Bentbiker Guest

    i've used an Air Zound with great success, and screamed "NO" with good success.

    bentcajungirl wrote:
    > The original poster said he was riding through the projects, so it is unlikely that a true owner
    > would come forth. Calling animal control would be the best bet. And calling and calling and
    > calling. I use a Dog Dazer. It has worked on some pretty nasty dogs. The trick is to let them get
    > close enough. Really scary close. If you are trigger happy and signal from too far away, you will
    > lose your element of surprise and the device probably does indeed sound like Manilow. I have
    > pepper spray and it works well, but the chance of catching your self in the spray because of wind
    > (or whatever) is greater than I'm comfortable with. I use the Halt if the Dazer doesn't catch em
    > off guard. (rare) Perry bentcajungirl
    >
     
  13. Tom Sherman

    Tom Sherman Guest

    Ben Fox wrote:
    >
    > ... Never had a dog that didn't stop dead when hit with it [pepper > spray]. Just don't spray into
    > the wind.

    Ben,

    Pepper spray on the skin (other than mucous membrane areas) is no big deal on a bike ride - until
    you get home and decide to take a warm shower. Warm water will feel almost boiling hot on the
    affected area.

    Tom Sherman - Quad Cities USA (Illinois side) RANS "Wavewind" and Rocket, Earth Cycles Sunset and
    Dragonflyer
     
  14. Tom Sherman

    Tom Sherman Guest

    John Foltz wrote:
    >
    > One word: TASER

    A cattle prod intended for use on an 1800 lb (~800 kgf) bull should do much to discourage chasing
    and aggression from a dog that is 1/20 of the size.

    Tom Sherman - Quad Cities USA (Illinois side) RANS "Wavewind" and Rocket, Earth Cycles Sunset and
    Dragonflyer
     
  15. Ben Fox

    Ben Fox Guest

    Tom, I usually try to keep my mucous membrane areas to myself. Ben Fox "Tom Sherman"
    <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    >
    > Ben Fox wrote:
    > >
    > > ... Never had a dog that didn't stop dead when hit with it [pepper >
    spray].
    > > Just don't spray into the wind.
    >
    > Ben,
    >
    > Pepper spray on the skin (other than mucous membrane areas) is no big deal on a bike ride - until
    > you get home and decide to take a warm shower. Warm water will feel almost boiling hot on the
    > affected area.
    >
    > Tom Sherman - Quad Cities USA (Illinois side) RANS "Wavewind" and Rocket, Earth Cycles Sunset and
    > Dragonflyer
     
  16. Ben Fox

    Ben Fox Guest

    I had no success at all with Air Zound. Ben fox "bentbiker" <[email protected]> wrote in
    message news:[email protected]...
    > i've used an Air Zound with great success, and screamed "NO" with good success.
    >
    > bentcajungirl wrote:
    > > The original poster said he was riding through the projects, so it is unlikely that a true owner
    > > would come forth. Calling animal control
    would
    > > be the best bet. And calling and calling and calling. I use a Dog Dazer. It has worked on some
    > > pretty nasty dogs. The trick
    is
    > > to let them get close enough. Really scary close. If you are trigger
    happy
    > > and signal from too far away, you will lose your element of surprise and
    the
    > > device probably does indeed sound like Manilow. I have pepper spray and
    it
    > > works well, but the chance of catching your self in the spray because of wind (or whatever) is
    > > greater than I'm comfortable with. I use the Halt
    if
    > > the Dazer doesn't catch em off guard. (rare) Perry bentcajungirl
    > >
    > >
     
  17. GeoB wrote:
    >
    > <snip>... I attempted to build a relationship with him, based on commonalities and respect, of
    > mutual progressive self-disclousure in an atmosphere of trust and acceptance...

    So much touchy-feely crap.... Have some balls, man!! Carry and USE some pepper spray. I
    guarantee that he will not bother you again.
     
  18. Tom Sherman

    Tom Sherman Guest

    Ben Fox wrote:
    >
    > Tom, I usually try to keep my mucous membrane areas to myself.

    Ben,

    How does your wife feel about this? ;)

    I was thinking about the possibility of inhaling the pepper spray though one's mouth or nose, or
    getting it in one's eyes.

    Tom Sherman - Quad Cities USA (Illinois side) RANS "Wavewind" and Rocket, Earth Cycles Sunset and
    Dragonflyer
     
  19. Tom Sherman

    Tom Sherman Guest

    Ben Fox wrote:
    >
    > I had no success at all with Air Zound.

    The Air Zound works well on headphone wearing inline skaters, however.
    :)

    < http://www.sheldonbrown.com/skates.html >

    Tom Sherman - Quad Cities USA (Illinois side) RANS "Wavewind" and Rocket, Earth Cycles Sunset and
    Dragonflyer
     
  20. Large can of Hair Spray and a Zippo lighter.....light up the pooch! "Derek Swift"
    <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    > Plan D: Sawed off shotgun
    >
    > Derek
    >
    >
    > In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (GeoB) wrote:
    >
    > > This morning I was putting my lovely new Vision fenders through a work-out, commuting in the
    > > rain (Primo Comets with the tread worn smooth are NOT the tire of choice for this). On my 8 mile
    > > commute to work I pass through the 'Projects' in order to cross the freeway on the pedestrian
    > > overcross. This morning all the dogs were out, and patrolling the streets! I got pass the
    > > knee-high dogs and thought I had it made, but then out charges a Big Scarred Male Pit Bull! Now,
    > > on my DF I was accustomed to dogs eye-balling my legs... on my VR40 things are different, like a
    > > couple of feet lower! This guy is evaluating my upper arm! He is right there, slobbering and
    > > growling and chomping, pert-near eye-to-eye with me. I am mentally reviewing how many large
    > > arteries are close to the surface there. There's no way I was gonna kick him, which, on my DF,
    > > has dissuaded lesser dogs in the past. It was immediately obvious to me that a different
    > > stratgem was in order. I generally hold headlong flight to be a viable negotiating tactic, but
    > > this guy is just idling along next to
    > > me. I mean, *right* next to me. No way am I gonna leave him behind. So Plan C. I attempted to
    > > build a relationship with him, based on commonalities and respect, of mutual progressive
    > > self-disclousure in an atmosphere of trust and acceptance. But all he would do was repeat
    > > himself, loudly. All I could catch was something like "... damn bikes... my territory....
    > > make an example...".
     
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