Police learn lessons...

you know? said:

On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 20:56:28 -0000, "Danny Colyer"
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My real favourite oxymoron, though, is "gospel truth".

Take care: there is more evidence to support the Gospels
than the deeds of Julius Caesar, according to some (non Bible-
bashing) sources.

On the grounds that the history was written by Julius
himself?

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congokid said:

I'm sure I saw what was a gang of about 20 bike mounted
officers progressing in an orderly manner up Shaftesbury
Avenue in London one late afternoon last week.

Well, not so orderly - they seemed to be shouting in
unison, but I thought they were police because they were
all wearing identical yellow and black jackets, helmets
and looked like they were on very similar bikes.

Anyone else seen them, and are they biking police?

I saw a posse of about half a dozen heading south past the
mosque in Kingsland Road last week. Identical matching bikes
and uniforms. Definitely Plod.

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Dave Kahn said:

On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 21:52:05 +0000, "Just zis Guy, you

know? said:

On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 20:56:28 -0000, "Danny Colyer"
<[email hidden]> wrote in message
<[email hidden]>:

Quoted message said:

My real favourite oxymoron, though, is "gospel truth".

Take care: there is more evidence to support the Gospels
than the deeds of Julius Caesar, according to some (non
Bible-bashing) sources.

On the grounds that the history was written by Julius
himself?

Personally, I can't see how the deeds of Julius Caesar could
possibly support the Gospels.

Am I missing something?

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On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 16:58:47 -0000 someone who may be "Sky
Fly" <[email hidden]> wrote this:-

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So what will happen with police bikes? AirZounds? If you
think motorists are [censored] at getting out of the way, just
wait and see what happens with peds.

The officer I saw in York was getting through the
pedestrians far more quickly than he would have done in a
car, which would not have fitted down some of the places
he was cycling and would not have been able to pass the
bollards in places.

Hello David,

I'm sure he would be able to do this.

However, I'm thinking of a situation where he is chasing
someone who is running very fast through a pedestrianised
area. The only way you can make progress through such an
area is either to cycle very slowly and carefully, or to use
a siren to blast people out of the way.

So either he would use the siren (and create mass confusion)
or cycle slowly and let the person he was chasing get away.
Have I missed out any other alternatives, or is there a flaw
in my argument?

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On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 22:59:50 GMT someone who may be [email hidden]
(Patrick Herring) wrote this:-

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When I was doing a philosophy degree one of the lecturers,
who was basically a logician, got argued with by one of my
contempories, who was basically a b-basher, and came out
with the wonderful line: "Ah, but you can't treat the Bible
as, er, gospel".

It is a correct, if slightly amusing statement.

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On Wed, 17 Mar 2004 11:51:16 -0000 someone who may be "Sky Fly"
<[email hidden]> wrote this:-

Quoted message said:

However, I'm thinking of a situation where he is chasing
someone who is running very fast through a
pedestrianised area.

If they are able to run very fast then there are not too
many pedestrians around.

Quoted message said:

The only way you can make progress through such an area is
either to cycle very slowly and carefully, or to use a
siren to blast people out of the way.

As I have said before the police officer that I saw was
riding a bike fitted with a siren and flashing blue lights.
The latter were rather pointless, but the former was
effective at getting attention while not being so loud as to
cause mass confusion.

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Quoted message said:

However, I'm thinking of a situation where he is chasing
someone who is running very fast through a pedestrianised
area. The only way you can make progress through such an
area is either to cycle very slowly and carefully, or to
use a siren to blast people out of the way.

So either he would use the siren (and create mass
confusion) or cycle slowly and let the person he was
chasing get away. Have I missed out any other
alternatives, or is there a flaw in my argument?

Aha, you forgot getting off the bike and running but
considering the name of this newsgroup I suppose its
understandable :-)

Mark Thompson said:

Aha, you forgot getting off the bike and running but
considering the name of this newsgroup I suppose its
understandable :-)

<thieving_scumbag> Yer, bu' if 'e dun vat, 'ow long befoah
'IS bike gort nicked? </thieving_scumbag>

I'm sure ownership of a bicycle formerly the property of Her
Majesty's Aged William would be considered something of a
status symbol among the, ahem, pikotic... ;-)

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"Sky Fly" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

So either he would use the siren (and create mass
confusion) or cycle slowly and let the person he was
chasing get away. Have I missed out any other
alternatives, or is there a flaw in my argument?

I'm sure this situation would be covered in the training
course. :-)

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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Aha, you forgot getting off the bike and running but considering the
name of this newsgroup I suppose its understandable :-)

<thieving_scumbag> Yer, bu' if 'e dun vat, 'ow long befoah
'IS bike gort nicked? </thieving_scumbag>

I'm sure ownership of a bicycle formerly the property of
Her Majesty's Aged William would be considered something
of a status symbol among the, ahem, pikotic... ;-)

Didn't someone mention something about automatic locks?

Michael MacClancy said:

On Wed, 17 Mar 2004 00:40:22 +0000, Dave Kahn wrote:

Quoted message said:

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On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 21:52:05 +0000, "Just zis Guy, you
know?" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 20:56:28 -0000, "Danny Colyer"
<[email hidden]> wrote in message
<[email hidden]>:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

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>My real favourite oxymoron, though, is "gospel truth".

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Take care: there is more evidence to support the Gospels
than the deeds of Julius Caesar, according to some (non
Bible-bashing) sources.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

On the grounds that the history was written by Julius
himself?

Quoted message said:

Personally, I can't see how the deeds of Julius Caesar
could possibly support the Gospels.

The Bible would be a lot more credible if God hadn't
resorted to ghost writers. He seems to have been rather
badly advised by His agent in that respect.

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Quoted message said:

The Bible would be a lot more credible if God hadn't
resorted to ghost writers. He seems to have been rather
badly advised by His agent in that respect.

He should have also exerted more control over what went in
there - the Songs of Solomon contain imagery that is
practically pornographic - not what I want my children to be
reading at Sunday School.

On Thu, 18 Mar 2004 12:00:29 -0000 someone who may be "Mark
Thompson" <[email hidden] (change warm for hot)>
wrote this:-

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He should have also exerted more control over what went in
there - the Songs of Solomon contain imagery that is
practically pornographic - not what I want my children to
be reading at Sunday School.

There are also several examples of extreme violence,
sometimes

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There are also several examples of extreme violence,
sometimes

plague, suspense and a surprise ending.

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Mark Thompson' (change warm for hot) said:

Quoted message said:

The Bible would be a lot more credible if God hadn't
resorted to ghost writers. He seems to have been rather
badly advised by His agent in that respect.

Quoted message said:

He should have also exerted more control over what went in
there - the Songs of Solomon contain imagery that is
practically pornographic - not what I want my children to
be reading at Sunday School.

I'm sure they never showed the final draft of the Bible to
Him. I think the whole thing was a fit-up, with the Church
secure in the knowledge that like Royalty, God wouldn't
stoop to suing them for misrepresentation etc..
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On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 19:05:03 GMT, Simon Brooke <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

"Mindless right-wing demagoguery" is a better excuse than
I've been able to come up with. (Should that be "with
which I've been able to come up"?)

Up with which I have been able to come.

Simon, tongue firmly lodged in cheek.

Ludicrous, Simon. Talking of which, that parrot was quite
helpful with the quick crossword :-)

James (tongue firmly placed in sandwich - with tomatoes)

you know? said:

Take care: there is more evidence to support the Gospels
than the deeds of Julius Caesar, according to some (non Bible-
bashing) sources.

There's no doubt in my currently non-believing mind that
Jesus existed some 2K years ago. Whether he was Christ,
however, is a matter of faith; something I don't have at
the moment.

I envy you, Guy.

James

On Thu, 18 Mar 2004 16:42:32 +0000, James Hodson
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There's no doubt in my currently non-believing mind that
Jesus existed some 2K years ago. Whether he was Christ,
however, is a matter of faith; something I don't have at
the moment.

Hard to disagree with this. There is, I am told, less
interval between the events an the earliest Biblical textx
than there is between, say, the siege of Troy and the first
written accounts thereof. The balance is a matter of faith,
as you say. The Jews, I am told, also believe that Jesus was
a holy man, but not that he was the Messiah.

Quoted message said:

I envy you, Guy.

No need. I got my faith the easy way :-)

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On Thu, 18 Mar 2004 18:42:31 +0000 someone who may be "Just zis Guy,
you know?" <[email hidden]> wrote this:-

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The Jews, I am told, also believe that Jesus was a holy
man, but not that he was the Messiah.

That depends on their particular adherence.

Islam holds Jesus to be the second most important prophet.

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Just zis Guy said:

The Jews, I am told, also believe that Jesus was a holy
man, but not that he was the Messiah.

And a very naughty boy?

[pedals furiously away to evade the Python Police (see:
ON-topic)]

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