Pros prefer sewups

Mike Krueger said:

Paul Sherwen, on today's Giro TV broadcast, observed that
80% of the European pro peloton still races on tubular
tires. So much for the naysayers...

Those pros don't have to glue and mount their own tires. All
they have to do is ride what they're given. I suspect most
of them train on clinchers.
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Mike Krueger said:

Paul Sherwen, on today's Giro TV broadcast, observed that
80% of the European pro peloton still races on tubular
tires. So much for the naysayers...

Are you sure? How did he determine that that is the case? A
few years back, I noticed that most of the riders in the
Tour d'Suisse were on clinchers. I assumed these same riders
would probably ride the same in other classics.

I am a bit leery about quoting famous race announcers on
technical facts after enjoying the colorful reportage of
Phil Liggett over the years. He laces his otherwise
entertaining accounts with much myth and lore.

Jobst Brandt [email hidden]

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Are you sure? How did he determine that that is the case?
A few years back, I noticed that most of the riders in the
Tour d'Suisse were on clinchers. I assumed these same
riders would probably ride the same in other classics.

I have no idea if it's true, but the Finnish commentator on
Eurosport some days ago said that most of the Italian teams
and riders still ride on tubulars. I interpreted him as if
the Italians are an exception to the rule in this regard.
The commentator is generally quite knowledgeable about
cycling, so I take that as the truth until proven otherwise.

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Paul Sherwen, on today's Giro TV broadcast, observed that
80% of the

European

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pro peloton still races on tubular tires. So much for the
naysayers...

Pros should have to worry about the cost and setup of their
tires - so obviously they would ride on tubulars. The only
case where they would not is where his tire sponsor does not
make tubulars. Even then, pro teams lie about what they
really use. They stick some of their sponsors tire labels
over a competitors tubulars.

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Paul Sherwen, on today's Giro TV broadcast, observed that
80% of the European pro peloton still races on tubular
tires. So much for the naysayers...

Pros should have to worry about the cost and setup of
their tires - so obviously they would ride on tubulars.
The only case where they would not is where his tire
sponsor does not make tubulars. Even then, pro teams lie
about what they really use. They stick some of their
sponsors tire labels over a competitors tubulars.

The trend towards colored tires makes that difficult.

(Mike Krueger) said:

Paul Sherwen, on today's Giro TV broadcast, observed that
80% of the European pro peloton still races on tubular
tires. So much for the naysayers...

Hey, if you like 'em and can afford 'em, ride 'em. More
power to ya. But don't lie to me like this. Unless Sherwen
has gone out and counted tubulars and clinchers and then
done the math, he's blowing smoke out his ass.

If you want a research project, take a look at all the pro
team Web sites and check the tire sponsor. Let us know what
you find. If 80% are verifiably riding tubulars, tell us; if
it's 25%, tell us that. If you're too lazy, then why not
just shut up about your antiquated technology?

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Paul Sherwen, on today's Giro TV broadcast, observed that
80% of the European pro peloton still races on tubular
tires. So much for the naysayers...

Italians are such traditionalist anyway.

I wondor how much confidence Joseba Beloki has in a god set
of tubulars?

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Paul Sherwen, on today's Giro TV broadcast, observed
that 80% of the European pro peloton still races on
tubular tires. So much for the naysayers...

Pros should have to worry about the cost and setup of
their tires - so obviously they would ride on tubulars.
The only case where they would not is where his tire
sponsor does not make tubulars. Even then, pro teams lie
about what they really use. They stick some of their
sponsors tire labels over a competitors tubulars.

The trend towards colored tires makes that difficult.

And the trend towards not even trying to disguise sponsor-
fudging makes it easy.

The secret is to put the sponsor logo in big bright letters,
and hope that in the winner's photo it shows up more
prominently than the dubious equipment. Featured on this
page are shots of T-Mobile riders flagrantly fudging
sponsorage:

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Behold the Shimano, er, Record Titanium front derailleur:

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If you don't recall Shimano offering a carbon fibre
brifteur, that's because they don't:

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I'm far too cheap to spend money on equipment (you think I'm
joking, right? Dave knows that I did all my early-season
races with someone else's cast-off tire on the back of my
bike. I think I did pay C$20 for my front, though) so I ride
clinchers. But the pros not only have the luxury of generous
tire budgets, they also have cars following them around with
complete wheels and bikes in case they get a flat.

But I carry no brief for this debate. I use clinchers
because they're cheap and they're not stopping me from
winning races.

My lackluster training, now that's stopping me...

--
Ryan Cousineau, [email hidden]
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Mazzoleni Fan Club

Mike Krueger said:

Paul Sherwen, on today's Giro TV broadcast, observed that
80% of the European pro peloton still races on tubular
tires. So much for the naysayers...

And why not? Someone else has to do all the hard work of
mounting them and repairing them (or paying for new ones)
and they don't make the riders carry their own spares these
days. They're too much hassle for
99.9% of amateur riders though.

skubanut-<< Paul Sherwen, on today's Giro TV broadcast,
observed that 80% of the European pro peloton still races on
tubular tires. So much for the naysayers...

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Every year I ask the people at BikeMine(Vittoria/Conti
distributors in the US) what they say are the numbers from
the three major tours and the big Euro races and the ratios
at the Giro are pretty normal, have been for years. The Pros
like the 'feel', the light weight of some of the carbon
tubie rims and like the idea that a flat won't mean the tire
comes off.

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Jobst-<< Are you sure? How did he determine that that is the
case? >><BR><BR>

C'mon Jobst, it's not too much of a stretch to imagine Euro
Pros, with the team support they have, would want the ride
of tubulars. Why not? There certainly aren't any
disadvantages to them, since they don't service their
wheels. And I think 'many' advantages.

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On Fri, 21 May 2004 13:11:15 -0700, Terry Morse <[email hidden]>

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Mike Krueger said:

Paul Sherwen, on today's Giro TV broadcast, observed that
80% of the European pro peloton still races on tubular
tires. So much for the naysayers...

Those pros don't have to glue and mount their own tires.
All they have to do is ride what they're given. I suspect
most of them train on clinchers.

Which is exactly what Sherwen said.

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[email hidden] (Qui si parla Campagnolo ) Writes:

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C'mon Jobst, it's not too much of a stretch to imagine Euro
Pros, with the teamsupport they have, would want the ride
of tubulars. Why not? There certainlyaren't any
disadvantages to them, since they don't service their
wheels. And Ithink 'many' advantages. Peter Chisholm
Vecchio's Bicicletteria1833 Pearl St.Boulder, CO,

True. And the Euro Pros probably never touch their brakes on
those long descents in the mountains. They don't have to
worry about heating up their rim glue and rolling off a
tubular in a corner. Not that I've ever done that but I
always worried about it. Like most non - pro riders, I've
sold all my tubular wheels.

Evan Evans said:

... I wondor how much confidence Joseba Beloki has in a
god set of tubulars?

Tires from Heaven?

--
Tom Sherman – Quad City Area

VCopeland-<< but I always worried about it. Like most non -
pro riders, I've sold all my tubular wheels. >><BR><BR>

Whatever blows yer skirt up. I see no compelling reason to
switch from tubies to clinchers on my Merckx.

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VCopeland-<< but I always worried about it. Like most non -
pro riders, I've sold all my tubular wheels. >>

Whatever blows yer skirt up. I see no compelling reason to
switch from tubiesto clinchers on my Merckx.

Tubiesto clinchers?

VCopelan said:

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VCopeland-<< but I always worried about it. Like most non
- pro riders, I've sold all my tubular wheels. >>

Whatever blows yer skirt up. I see no compelling reason to
switch from tubiesto clinchers on my Merckx.

Tubiesto clinchers?

"tubies to clinchers" would be the correct understanding. As
a decidedly recreational rider these days, I must say that I
also prefer to run tubies on my bikes, and seem to get as
good of results flat-wise as I ever did with clinchers. I
will add that I am building a set of clinchers for my "go
fast" Bianchi - up to this point I only ran tubies on that
sled. But, I am mainly doing this for very early / late in
the season when conditions may warrant larger tire sizes.
THat is one advantage to clinchers, I guess, as I have NEVER
changed a tubular tire simply because I wanted a different
tire size.

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VCopeland-<< but I always worried about it. Like most non
- pro riders, I've sold all my tubular wheels. >>

Whatever blows yer skirt up. I see no compelling reason to
switch from tubiesto clinchers on my Merckx.

Tubiesto clinchers?

It's a top-secret Italian-bikes-only brand, you have to be
fluent in Campagnese before they'll even admit to you that
they make tires.

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Evan Evans said:

... I wondor how much confidence Joseba Beloki has in a
god set of tubulars?

Tires from Heaven?

Tires that will send you there, or cause other act-of-
god events.

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