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  1. She looks very good. She was so funny the when she was
    pregnant with baby Katie, it looked like she had swallowed a
    small watermelon. A small lively watermelon. And yes, she
    grew up eating like that. She has an identical twin sister,
    who is, well.. identical, and her Mom is shaped just like
    the two of them.

    "Joyce" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    At that height, she probably is the right weight even
    though it seems


    incredibly

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    tiny to me (but so does 5'1"😉. Since there aren't any
    other heavy members


    of her

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    family, I do wonder if this is just what she was
    accustomed to when


    growing up ...

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    eating much lighter during the day and one larger main
    meal. If so, she


    may be

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    very fortunate and it's more of a routine now. I have a
    feeling my


    youngest girl

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    will be like this (time will tell though). Even at the age
    of 16, she


    still only

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    takes half a sandwich to school in her lunch ... on the
    rare occassion she


    gets a

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    burge, she eats maybe half of it, if even that. Today's
    lunch for her was


    a

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    yogurt, slice of cheese and a granola bar - which she
    thinks is a huge


    lunch. Oh

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    - she also takes one of those mini sized cans of soda (8
    oz) ... diet of


    course.

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    <G> She eats a pretty good dinner .. for her ... but it
    consists mainly


    of

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    veggies, salad and about 1 to 2 ounces of meat. She just
    isn't an eater I


    guess.

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    Joyce

    Lesanne said:

    She is tiny. Very petite in every way. About 5' 1" feet
    tall, and


    weighs

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    between 90 and 100 pounds. Doesn't do any organized
    exercise, but is


    active

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    when at home, she does have a sitting job. Her one meal
    is usually


    enough

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    calories for a woman that size. If people see her eat
    that one, and


    don't

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    know how she lives the rest of her day they would wonder.
    No fat people


    in

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    her family at all.

    "Joyce" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Wow, that doesn't seem to be much food when running
    after kids all day,


    but

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    obviously she knows what works for her. I can
    understand her breakfast


    eating as

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    I'm the same way. I really don't enjoy breakfast, am
    not in the mood


    to

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    face food

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    in the morning. I have to conciously force myself to
    fix something.


    Usually it's

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    that piece of toast, maybe some fruit added. Today it
    was just a huge


    bowl of cut

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    up fresh fruit. And that ever-present coffee. <g> My
    dinners are much


    larger -

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    that seems to be *my* meal.

    Joyce

    On Sun, 14 Mar 2004 13:30:29 GMT, "Lesanne"
    <[email hidden]>


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    >My niece in law is the best example I ever saw. She is
    >very petite.


    Mostly

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    >we had only eaten together at our main meal of the
    >day. Recently Mom


    and

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    I

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    >visited at their home in Austin for a day or two. She
    >has one piece


    of

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    dry

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    >toast in the morning "this is all I want in the
    >morning", about a half


    a

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    >sandwich maybe at lunch time with her baby under her
    >arm, and picks up


    a

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    >chip or two off of someone elses plate. Eats maybe
    >half a peanut


    butter

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    cup

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    >from someones hand mid afternoon. Then eats a pretty
    >big meal in the evening. On her feet in motion the
    >entire day.
    >
    >Freaky to watch. Breaks all the rules. But total
    >calories in - total


    out

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    >seems to maintain her 100 or so pounds nicely.
    >
    >"Joyce" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    >"]news:[email hidden]...
    >> On Sat, 13 Mar 2004 21:01:02 GMT, "geri"
    >> <[email hidden]>


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    >>
    >> >
    >> >>> idea that I ought to be able to eat whatever now
    >> >>> that I look


    "normal".

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    >> >>
    >> >
    >> >
    >> >This is an interesting statement. My sis and I were
    >> >having this


    same

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    >> >conversation and she said something about losing
    >> >the weight then


    feeling

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    >> >like she should be able to eat whatever... "like a
    >> >skinny person."


    Well,

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    >if
    >> >you think about it, if we ate like skinny people,
    >> >we would BE


    skinny

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    >people.
    >> >I've known thin or normal weight people who would
    >> >seem to eat


    everything

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    >> >they want. I think the difference is they might eat
    >> >a lot once in


    awhile,

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    >> >but most of the time they eat normal or less than
    >> >normal amounts.


    What

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    do

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    >> >you guys think?
    >>
    >> We were just talking about this not too long ago, in
    >> another thread.


    I

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    >think
    >> someone had said they got pi**ed off watching those
    >> naturally thin


    people

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    >eat. My
    >> thoughts were like yours ... are there really any
    >> naturally thin


    people?

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    >I have a
    >> feeling that they watch things as closely as we do,
    >> but have been


    doing

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    it

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    >for
    >> much longer. We only see them eat on occassion, we
    >> don't see them


    24/7.

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    >The best
    >> example I could come up with is a neighborhood
    >> woman, who's children


    have

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    >been in
    >> school with mine forever. Nicest woman around,
    >> thinnest dang thing


    I

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    have

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    >ever
    >> seen ... even after having 4 children. I swore she
    >> was one of those


    lucky

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    >> naturally think people and was very jealous. Just a
    >> few weeks ago I
    >noticed her
    >> out on the street jogging ... then saw her again a
    >> few days later.


    Now

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    >I've
    >> noticed that this appears to be a daily routine for
    >> her. So is she


    REALLY

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    >> naturally thin? She has always been thin from what I
    >> have seen


    (over

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    the

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    >course
    >> of 17 years) but she also seems to be very dedicated
    >> to remaining


    that

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    >way. I am
    >> sure she is careful what she eats, based on her
    >> diligence in


    exercising

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    >that I
    >> have just noticed. I've just begun to change my
    >> views on how I look


    at

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    Quoted message said:

    >other
    >> people, realize that we don't know their entire
    >> story and it isn't


    fair

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    to

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    >make
    >> judgement on what little we actually see.
    >>
    >> Joyce
    >> >
    >> >Geri
    >> >
    >> >
    >> >
    >>
    >

  2. That's pretty much how I am too. One of my favorite dinners, as well as the rest
    of the families, is my oven baked omelet casserole (or eggie casserole as the kids
    have dubbed it) ... eggbeaters, whatever veggies I decide to throw in, lowfat
    cheese, sometimes diced ham - sometimes not ... mix, bake, eat. Light wheat
    toast, baked diced potatoes, cut up melons (honeydew, cantaloupe), pineapple,
    grapes, whatever and call it fruit salad. But I don't enjoy it as much in the
    morning. Morning is quickie oatmeal, fruit OR toast ... if anything ... and
    usually not before 10:30 or 11. I am not a morning person.

    Joyce

    Miss Violette said:

    I love breakfast food just not at breakfast time, I have
    been able to make myself eat when I first get up, I try and
    eat something I can wash down with coffee to make it go
    down with little notice, Lee Brenda Hammond
    <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

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    I'm with you Joyce. I actually hate breakfast unless I
    eat it around


    11:00

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    or so. Coffee I have to have in the morning, but food
    first thing turns


    me

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    off. I usually force myself to eat something at
    breakfast, then a healthy lunch, dinners are usually my
    larger meals too. I wish the evening snacks turned me off
    as much as breakfast!
    --
    Brenda
    209/186/150

    "Joyce" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

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    Wow, that doesn't seem to be much food when running
    after kids all day,


    but

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    obviously she knows what works for her. I can
    understand her breakfast


    eating as

    Quoted message said:

    I'm the same way. I really don't enjoy breakfast, am
    not in the mood to


    face food

    Quoted message said:

    in the morning. I have to conciously force myself to
    fix something.


    Usually it's

    Quoted message said:

    that piece of toast, maybe some fruit added. Today it
    was just a huge


    bowl of cut

    Quoted message said:

    up fresh fruit. And that ever-present coffee. <g> My
    dinners are much


    larger -

    Quoted message said:

    that seems to be *my* meal.

    Joyce

    On Sun, 14 Mar 2004 13:30:29 GMT, "Lesanne"
    <[email hidden]>


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    Quoted message said:


    >My niece in law is the best example I ever saw. She is
    >very petite.


    Mostly

    Quoted message said:

    >we had only eaten together at our main meal of the
    >day. Recently Mom


    and

    Quoted message said:

    I

    Quoted message said:

    >visited at their home in Austin for a day or two. She
    >has one piece of


    dry

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    >toast in the morning "this is all I want in the
    >morning", about a half


    a

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >sandwich maybe at lunch time with her baby under her
    >arm, and picks up


    a

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >chip or two off of someone elses plate. Eats maybe
    >half a peanut


    butter

    Quoted message said:

    cup

    Quoted message said:

    >from someones hand mid afternoon. Then eats a pretty
    >big meal in the evening. On her feet in motion the
    >entire day.
    >
    >Freaky to watch. Breaks all the rules. But total
    >calories in - total


    out

    Quoted message said:

    >seems to maintain her 100 or so pounds nicely.
    >
    >"Joyce" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    >"]news:[email hidden]...
    >> On Sat, 13 Mar 2004 21:01:02 GMT, "geri"
    >> <[email hidden]>


    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >>
    >> >
    >> >>> idea that I ought to be able to eat whatever now
    >> >>> that I look


    "normal".

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    >> >>
    >> >
    >> >
    >> >This is an interesting statement. My sis and I were
    >> >having this same conversation and she said
    >> >something about losing the weight then


    feeling

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    >> >like she should be able to eat whatever... "like a
    >> >skinny person."


    Well,

    Quoted message said:

    >if
    >> >you think about it, if we ate like skinny people,
    >> >we would BE skinny
    >people.
    >> >I've known thin or normal weight people who would
    >> >seem to eat


    everything

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    >> >they want. I think the difference is they might eat
    >> >a lot once in


    awhile,

    Quoted message said:

    >> >but most of the time they eat normal or less than
    >> >normal amounts.


    What

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    do

    Quoted message said:

    >> >you guys think?
    >>
    >> We were just talking about this not too long ago, in
    >> another thread.


    I

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >think
    >> someone had said they got pi**ed off watching those
    >> naturally thin


    people

    Quoted message said:

    >eat. My
    >> thoughts were like yours ... are there really any
    >> naturally thin


    people?

    Quoted message said:

    >I have a
    >> feeling that they watch things as closely as we do,
    >> but have been


    doing

    Quoted message said:

    it

    Quoted message said:

    >for
    >> much longer. We only see them eat on occassion, we
    >> don't see them


    24/7.

    Quoted message said:

    >The best
    >> example I could come up with is a neighborhood
    >> woman, who's children


    have

    Quoted message said:

    >been in
    >> school with mine forever. Nicest woman around,
    >> thinnest dang thing I


    have

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    >ever
    >> seen ... even after having 4 children. I swore she
    >> was one of those


    lucky

    Quoted message said:

    >> naturally think people and was very jealous. Just a
    >> few weeks ago I
    >noticed her
    >> out on the street jogging ... then saw her again a
    >> few days later.


    Now

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    >I've
    >> noticed that this appears to be a daily routine for
    >> her. So is she


    REALLY

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    >> naturally thin? She has always been thin from what I
    >> have seen (over


    the

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    >course
    >> of 17 years) but she also seems to be very dedicated
    >> to remaining


    that

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >way. I am
    >> sure she is careful what she eats, based on her
    >> diligence in


    exercising

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >that I
    >> have just noticed. I've just begun to change my
    >> views on how I look


    at

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >other
    >> people, realize that we don't know their entire
    >> story and it isn't


    fair

    Quoted message said:

    to

    Quoted message said:

    >make
    >> judgement on what little we actually see.
    >>
    >> Joyce
    >> >
    >> >Geri
    >> >
    >> >
    >> >
    >>
    >



  3. There is only one thing worth waking up for in the morning, and since this
    is a family group I won't o there. I have long had the theory that only
    people hired by the federal government should be allowed out before noon.
    These people would be allowed to shoot anyone not actively delivering
    something. I am definitely NOT a morning, I simply see no purpose to them,
    Lee
    Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    That's pretty much how I am too. One of my favorite
    dinners, as well as


    the rest

    Quoted message said:

    of the families, is my oven baked omelet casserole (or
    eggie casserole as


    the kids

    Quoted message said:

    have dubbed it) ... eggbeaters, whatever veggies I decide
    to throw in,


    lowfat

    Quoted message said:

    cheese, sometimes diced ham - sometimes not ... mix, bake,
    eat. Light


    wheat

    Quoted message said:

    toast, baked diced potatoes, cut up melons (honeydew,
    cantaloupe),


    pineapple,

    Quoted message said:

    grapes, whatever and call it fruit salad. But I don't
    enjoy it as much


    in the

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    morning. Morning is quickie oatmeal, fruit OR toast ... if
    anything ...


    and

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    usually not before 10:30 or 11. I am not a morning person.

    Joyce

    On Wed, 17 Mar 2004 06:39:34 -0600, "Miss Violette"


    <[email hidden]>

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    Quoted message said:

    I love breakfast food just not at breakfast time, I have
    been able to


    make

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    myself eat when I first get up, I try and eat something I
    can wash down


    with

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    coffee to make it go down with little notice, Lee Brenda
    Hammond <[email hidden]> wrote in
    message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I'm with you Joyce. I actually hate breakfast unless I
    eat it around


    11:00

    Quoted message said:

    or so. Coffee I have to have in the morning, but food
    first thing


    turns

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    me

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    off. I usually force myself to eat something at
    breakfast, then a


    healthy

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    lunch, dinners are usually my larger meals too. I wish
    the evening


    snacks

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    turned me off as much as breakfast!
    --
    Brenda
    209/186/150

    "Joyce" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...
    > Wow, that doesn't seem to be much food when running
    > after kids all


    day,

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    but
    > obviously she knows what works for her. I can
    > understand her


    breakfast

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    eating as
    > I'm the same way. I really don't enjoy breakfast, am
    > not in the mood


    to

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    face food
    > in the morning. I have to conciously force myself to
    > fix something.
    Usually it's
    > that piece of toast, maybe some fruit added. Today it
    > was just a


    huge

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    Quoted message said:
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    bowl of cut
    > up fresh fruit. And that ever-present coffee. <g> My
    > dinners are


    much

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    Quoted message said:
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    larger -
    > that seems to be *my* meal.
    >
    > Joyce
    >
    > On Sun, 14 Mar 2004 13:30:29 GMT, "Lesanne"
    > <[email hidden]>


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    >
    > >My niece in law is the best example I ever saw. She
    > >is very petite.
    Mostly
    > >we had only eaten together at our main meal of the
    > >day. Recently


    Mom

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    and

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    I
    > >visited at their home in Austin for a day or two.
    > >She has one piece


    of

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    dry
    > >toast in the morning "this is all I want in the
    > >morning", about a


    half

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    a

    Quoted message said:

    > >sandwich maybe at lunch time with her baby under her
    > >arm, and picks


    up

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    a

    Quoted message said:

    > >chip or two off of someone elses plate. Eats maybe
    > >half a peanut


    butter

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    cup
    > >from someones hand mid afternoon. Then eats a pretty
    > >big meal in


    the

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    > >evening. On her feet in motion the entire day.
    > >
    > >Freaky to watch. Breaks all the rules. But total
    > >calories in -


    total

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    out
    > >seems to maintain her 100 or so pounds nicely.
    > >
    > >"Joyce" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    > >"]news:[email hidden]...
    > >> On Sat, 13 Mar 2004 21:01:02 GMT, "geri"
    > >> <[email hidden]>


    Quoted message said:

    > >>
    > >> >
    > >> >>> idea that I ought to be able to eat whatever
    > >> >>> now that I look
    "normal".
    > >> >>
    > >> >
    > >> >
    > >> >This is an interesting statement. My sis and I
    > >> >were having this


    same

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    > >> >conversation and she said something about losing
    > >> >the weight then
    feeling
    > >> >like she should be able to eat whatever... "like
    > >> >a skinny


    person."

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
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    Well,
    > >if
    > >> >you think about it, if we ate like skinny people,
    > >> >we would BE


    skinny

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    > >people.
    > >> >I've known thin or normal weight people who would
    > >> >seem to eat
    everything
    > >> >they want. I think the difference is they might
    > >> >eat a lot once in
    awhile,
    > >> >but most of the time they eat normal or less than
    > >> >normal amounts.


    What

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    do
    > >> >you guys think?
    > >>
    > >> We were just talking about this not too long ago,
    > >> in another


    thread.

    Quoted message said:
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    I

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    > >think
    > >> someone had said they got pi**ed off watching
    > >> those naturally thin
    people
    > >eat. My
    > >> thoughts were like yours ... are there really any
    > >> naturally thin
    people?
    > >I have a
    > >> feeling that they watch things as closely as we
    > >> do, but have been


    doing

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    it
    > >for
    > >> much longer. We only see them eat on occassion, we
    > >> don't see them
    24/7.
    > >The best
    > >> example I could come up with is a neighborhood
    > >> woman, who's


    children

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    Quoted message said:
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    have
    > >been in
    > >> school with mine forever. Nicest woman around,
    > >> thinnest dang


    thing I

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    have
    > >ever
    > >> seen ... even after having 4 children. I swore she
    > >> was one of


    those

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    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    lucky
    > >> naturally think people and was very jealous. Just
    > >> a few weeks ago


    I

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    Quoted message said:

    > >noticed her
    > >> out on the street jogging ... then saw her again a
    > >> few days later.


    Now

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    > >I've
    > >> noticed that this appears to be a daily routine
    > >> for her. So is


    she

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    REALLY
    > >> naturally thin? She has always been thin from what
    > >> I have seen


    (over

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    the
    > >course
    > >> of 17 years) but she also seems to be very
    > >> dedicated to remaining


    that

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    > >way. I am
    > >> sure she is careful what she eats, based on her
    > >> diligence in


    exercising

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    > >that I
    > >> have just noticed. I've just begun to change my
    > >> views on how I


    look

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    at

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    > >other
    > >> people, realize that we don't know their entire
    > >> story and it isn't


    fair

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    to
    > >make
    > >> judgement on what little we actually see.
    > >>
    > >> Joyce
    > >> >
    > >> >Geri
    > >> >
    > >> >
    > >> >
    > >>
    > >
    >

  4. MORNING person, here. I always wanted the darn hardware
    store to be open before 6am and now Lowes and Home Depot
    meet my needs! (G)

    Yup, the adage that fits you: "I did not wake up grumpy, I
    let her sleep!"

    Miss Violette said:

    There is only one thing worth waking up for in the morning,
    and since this is a family group I won't o there. I have
    long had the theory that only people hired by the federal
    government should be allowed out before noon. These people
    would be allowed to shoot anyone not actively delivering
    something. I am definitely NOT a morning, I simply see no
    purpose to them, Lee Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    That's pretty much how I am too. One of my favorite
    dinners, as well as


    the rest

    Quoted message said:

    of the families, is my oven baked omelet casserole (or
    eggie casserole as


    the kids

    Quoted message said:

    have dubbed it) ... eggbeaters, whatever veggies I decide
    to throw in,


    lowfat

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    cheese, sometimes diced ham - sometimes not ... mix,
    bake, eat. Light


    wheat

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    toast, baked diced potatoes, cut up melons (honeydew,
    cantaloupe),


    pineapple,

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    grapes, whatever and call it fruit salad. But I don't
    enjoy it as much


    in the

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    morning. Morning is quickie oatmeal, fruit OR toast ...
    if anything ...


    and

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    usually not before 10:30 or 11. I am not a morning
    person.

    Joyce

    On Wed, 17 Mar 2004 06:39:34 -0600, "Miss Violette"


    <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I love breakfast food just not at breakfast time, I have
    been able to


    make

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    Quoted message said:

    myself eat when I first get up, I try and eat something
    I can wash down


    with

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    coffee to make it go down with little notice, Lee Brenda
    Hammond <[email hidden]> wrote in
    message "]news:[email hidden]...
    > I'm with you Joyce. I actually hate breakfast unless I
    > eat it around
    11:00
    > or so. Coffee I have to have in the morning, but food
    > first thing


    turns

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    me
    > off. I usually force myself to eat something at
    > breakfast, then a


    healthy

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    Quoted message said:

    > lunch, dinners are usually my larger meals too. I wish
    > the evening


    snacks

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    > turned me off as much as breakfast!
    > --
    > Brenda
    > 209/186/150
    >
    > "Joyce" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    > "]news:[email hidden]...
    > > Wow, that doesn't seem to be much food when running
    > > after kids all


    day,

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > but
    > > obviously she knows what works for her. I can
    > > understand her


    breakfast

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    Quoted message said:

    > eating as
    > > I'm the same way. I really don't enjoy breakfast, am
    > > not in the mood


    to

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    > face food
    > > in the morning. I have to conciously force myself to
    > > fix something.
    > Usually it's
    > > that piece of toast, maybe some fruit added. Today
    > > it was just a


    huge

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    > bowl of cut
    > > up fresh fruit. And that ever-present coffee. <g> My
    > > dinners are


    much

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    > larger -
    > > that seems to be *my* meal.
    > >
    > > Joyce
    > >
    > > On Sun, 14 Mar 2004 13:30:29 GMT, "Lesanne"
    > > <[email hidden]>
    wrote:
    > >
    > > >My niece in law is the best example I ever saw. She
    > > >is very petite.
    > Mostly
    > > >we had only eaten together at our main meal of the
    > > >day. Recently


    Mom

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    and
    > I
    > > >visited at their home in Austin for a day or two.
    > > >She has one piece


    of

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    > dry
    > > >toast in the morning "this is all I want in the
    > > >morning", about a


    half

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    a
    > > >sandwich maybe at lunch time with her baby under
    > > >her arm, and picks


    up

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    a
    > > >chip or two off of someone elses plate. Eats maybe
    > > >half a peanut
    butter
    > cup
    > > >from someones hand mid afternoon. Then eats a
    > > >pretty big meal in


    the

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    > > >evening. On her feet in motion the entire day.
    > > >
    > > >Freaky to watch. Breaks all the rules. But total
    > > >calories in -


    total

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    > out
    > > >seems to maintain her 100 or so pounds nicely.
    > > >
    > > >"Joyce" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    > > >"]news:[email hidden]...
    > > >> On Sat, 13 Mar 2004 21:01:02 GMT, "geri"
    > > >> <[email hidden]>
    wrote:
    > > >>
    > > >> >
    > > >> >>> idea that I ought to be able to eat whatever
    > > >> >>> now that I look
    > "normal".
    > > >> >>
    > > >> >
    > > >> >
    > > >> >This is an interesting statement. My sis and I
    > > >> >were having this


    same

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    > > >> >conversation and she said something about losing
    > > >> >the weight then
    > feeling
    > > >> >like she should be able to eat whatever... "like
    > > >> >a skinny


    person."

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    > Well,
    > > >if
    > > >> >you think about it, if we ate like skinny
    > > >> >people, we would BE


    skinny

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    > > >people.
    > > >> >I've known thin or normal weight people who
    > > >> >would seem to eat
    > everything
    > > >> >they want. I think the difference is they might
    > > >> >eat a lot once in
    > awhile,
    > > >> >but most of the time they eat normal or less
    > > >> >than normal amounts.
    What
    > do
    > > >> >you guys think?
    > > >>
    > > >> We were just talking about this not too long ago,
    > > >> in another


    thread.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I
    > > >think
    > > >> someone had said they got pi**ed off watching
    > > >> those naturally thin
    > people
    > > >eat. My
    > > >> thoughts were like yours ... are there really any
    > > >> naturally thin
    > people?
    > > >I have a
    > > >> feeling that they watch things as closely as we
    > > >> do, but have been
    doing
    > it
    > > >for
    > > >> much longer. We only see them eat on occassion,
    > > >> we don't see them
    > 24/7.
    > > >The best
    > > >> example I could come up with is a neighborhood
    > > >> woman, who's


    children

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    > have
    > > >been in
    > > >> school with mine forever. Nicest woman around,
    > > >> thinnest dang


    thing I

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    > have
    > > >ever
    > > >> seen ... even after having 4 children. I swore
    > > >> she was one of


    those

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    > lucky
    > > >> naturally think people and was very jealous. Just
    > > >> a few weeks ago


    I

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    > > >noticed her
    > > >> out on the street jogging ... then saw her again
    > > >> a few days later.
    Now
    > > >I've
    > > >> noticed that this appears to be a daily routine
    > > >> for her. So is


    she

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    > REALLY
    > > >> naturally thin? She has always been thin from
    > > >> what I have seen


    (over

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    Quoted message said:

    > the
    > > >course
    > > >> of 17 years) but she also seems to be very
    > > >> dedicated to remaining
    that
    > > >way. I am
    > > >> sure she is careful what she eats, based on her
    > > >> diligence in
    exercising
    > > >that I
    > > >> have just noticed. I've just begun to change my
    > > >> views on how I


    look

    Quoted message said:
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    at
    > > >other
    > > >> people, realize that we don't know their entire
    > > >> story and it isn't
    fair
    > to
    > > >make
    > > >> judgement on what little we actually see.
    > > >>
    > > >> Joyce
    > > >> >
    > > >> >Geri
    > > >> >
    > > >> >
    > > >> >
    > > >>
    > > >
    > >
    >
    >


  5. wake me up, and die, Lee
    Fred <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    MORNING person, here. I always wanted the darn hardware
    store to be open before 6am and now Lowes and Home Depot
    meet my needs! (G)

    Yup, the adage that fits you: "I did not wake up grumpy, I
    let her sleep!"

    Miss Violette said:

    There is only one thing worth waking up for in the
    morning, and since


    this

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    is a family group I won't o there. I have long had the
    theory that only people hired by the federal government
    should be allowed out before noon. These people would be
    allowed to shoot anyone not actively delivering
    something. I am definitely NOT a morning, I simply see no
    purpose to


    them,

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Lee Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    That's pretty much how I am too. One of my favorite
    dinners, as well


    as

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    the rest

    Quoted message said:

    of the families, is my oven baked omelet casserole (or
    eggie casserole


    as

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    the kids

    Quoted message said:

    have dubbed it) ... eggbeaters, whatever veggies I
    decide to throw in,


    lowfat

    Quoted message said:

    cheese, sometimes diced ham - sometimes not ... mix,
    bake, eat. Light


    wheat

    Quoted message said:

    toast, baked diced potatoes, cut up melons (honeydew,
    cantaloupe),


    pineapple,

    Quoted message said:

    grapes, whatever and call it fruit salad. But I don't
    enjoy it as


    much

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    Quoted message said:

    in the

    Quoted message said:

    morning. Morning is quickie oatmeal, fruit OR toast ...
    if anything


    ...

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    Quoted message said:

    and

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    usually not before 10:30 or 11. I am not a morning
    person.

    Joyce

    On Wed, 17 Mar 2004 06:39:34 -0600, "Miss Violette"


    <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    wrote:

    >I love breakfast food just not at breakfast time, I
    >have been able to


    make

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    >myself eat when I first get up, I try and eat
    >something I can wash


    down

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    with

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    >coffee to make it go down with little notice, Lee
    >Brenda Hammond <[email hidden]> wrote
    >in message "]news:[email hidden]...
    >> I'm with you Joyce. I actually hate breakfast unless
    >> I eat it


    around

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    >11:00
    >> or so. Coffee I have to have in the morning, but
    >> food first thing


    turns

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    >me
    >> off. I usually force myself to eat something at
    >> breakfast, then a


    healthy

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    >> lunch, dinners are usually my larger meals too. I
    >> wish the evening


    snacks

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    >> turned me off as much as breakfast!
    >> --
    >> Brenda
    >> 209/186/150
    >>
    >> "Joyce" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    >> "]news:[email hidden]...
    >> > Wow, that doesn't seem to be much food when
    >> > running after kids all


    day,

    Quoted message said:

    >> but
    >> > obviously she knows what works for her. I can
    >> > understand her


    breakfast

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    >> eating as
    >> > I'm the same way. I really don't enjoy breakfast,
    >> > am not in the


    mood

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    Quoted message said:

    to

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    >> face food
    >> > in the morning. I have to conciously force myself
    >> > to fix


    something.

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    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >> Usually it's
    >> > that piece of toast, maybe some fruit added. Today
    >> > it was just a


    huge

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    >> bowl of cut
    >> > up fresh fruit. And that ever-present coffee. <g>
    >> > My dinners are


    much

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    >> larger -
    >> > that seems to be *my* meal.
    >> >
    >> > Joyce
    >> >
    >> > On Sun, 14 Mar 2004 13:30:29 GMT, "Lesanne"
    >> > <[email hidden]>
    >wrote:
    >> >
    >> > >My niece in law is the best example I ever saw.
    >> > >She is very


    petite.

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    >> Mostly
    >> > >we had only eaten together at our main meal of
    >> > >the day. Recently


    Mom

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    >and
    >> I
    >> > >visited at their home in Austin for a day or two.
    >> > >She has one


    piece

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    of

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    >> dry
    >> > >toast in the morning "this is all I want in the
    >> > >morning", about a


    half

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    >a
    >> > >sandwich maybe at lunch time with her baby under
    >> > >her arm, and


    picks

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    up

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    >a
    >> > >chip or two off of someone elses plate. Eats
    >> > >maybe half a peanut
    >butter
    >> cup
    >> > >from someones hand mid afternoon. Then eats a
    >> > >pretty big meal in


    the

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    >> > >evening. On her feet in motion the entire day.
    >> > >
    >> > >Freaky to watch. Breaks all the rules. But total
    >> > >calories in -


    total

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    >> out
    >> > >seems to maintain her 100 or so pounds nicely.
    >> > >
    >> > >"Joyce" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:42-
    >> > >[email hidden]...
    >> > >> On Sat, 13 Mar 2004 21:01:02 GMT, "geri"


    <[email hidden]>

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    >wrote:
    >> > >>
    >> > >> >
    >> > >> >>> idea that I ought to be able to eat
    >> > >> >>> whatever now that I


    look

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    >> "normal".
    >> > >> >>
    >> > >> >
    >> > >> >
    >> > >> >This is an interesting statement. My sis and I
    >> > >> >were having


    this

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    same

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    >> > >> >conversation and she said something about
    >> > >> >losing the weight


    then

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    >> feeling
    >> > >> >like she should be able to eat whatever...
    >> > >> >"like a skinny


    person."

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    >> Well,
    >> > >if
    >> > >> >you think about it, if we ate like skinny
    >> > >> >people, we would BE


    skinny

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    >> > >people.
    >> > >> >I've known thin or normal weight people who
    >> > >> >would seem to eat
    >> everything
    >> > >> >they want. I think the difference is they
    >> > >> >might eat a lot once


    in

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    >> awhile,
    >> > >> >but most of the time they eat normal or less
    >> > >> >than normal


    amounts.

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    >What
    >> do
    >> > >> >you guys think?
    >> > >>
    >> > >> We were just talking about this not too long
    >> > >> ago, in another


    thread.

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    >I
    >> > >think
    >> > >> someone had said they got pi**ed off watching
    >> > >> those naturally


    thin

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    Quoted message said:
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    >> people
    >> > >eat. My
    >> > >> thoughts were like yours ... are there really
    >> > >> any naturally


    thin

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    >> people?
    >> > >I have a
    >> > >> feeling that they watch things as closely as we
    >> > >> do, but have


    been

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    >doing
    >> it
    >> > >for
    >> > >> much longer. We only see them eat on occassion,
    >> > >> we don't see


    them

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    >> 24/7.
    >> > >The best
    >> > >> example I could come up with is a neighborhood
    >> > >> woman, who's


    children

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    >> have
    >> > >been in
    >> > >> school with mine forever. Nicest woman around,
    >> > >> thinnest dang


    thing I

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    >> have
    >> > >ever
    >> > >> seen ... even after having 4 children. I swore
    >> > >> she was one of


    those

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    >> lucky
    >> > >> naturally think people and was very jealous.
    >> > >> Just a few weeks


    ago

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    I

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    >> > >noticed her
    >> > >> out on the street jogging ... then saw her
    >> > >> again a few days


    later.

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    >Now
    >> > >I've
    >> > >> noticed that this appears to be a daily routine
    >> > >> for her. So is


    she

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    >> REALLY
    >> > >> naturally thin? She has always been thin from
    >> > >> what I have seen


    (over

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    >> the
    >> > >course
    >> > >> of 17 years) but she also seems to be very
    >> > >> dedicated to


    remaining

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    Quoted message said:
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    >that
    >> > >way. I am
    >> > >> sure she is careful what she eats, based on her
    >> > >> diligence in
    >exercising
    >> > >that I
    >> > >> have just noticed. I've just begun to change my
    >> > >> views on how I


    look

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    >at
    >> > >other
    >> > >> people, realize that we don't know their entire
    >> > >> story and it


    isn't

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    >fair
    >> to
    >> > >make
    >> > >> judgement on what little we actually see.
    >> > >>
    >> > >> Joyce
    >> > >> >
    >> > >> >Geri
    >> > >> >
    >> > >> >
    >> > >> >
    >> > >>
    >> > >
    >> >
    >>
    >>
    >

  6. UGH! You and hub would get along wonderfully. I always tell
    him to call and wake me up - he always hesitates ... guess
    he has learned well over the years. <G> Of course, it
    probably doesn't help that I'm usually up til around 4am ...
    3 hours sleep is not gonna make me a happy camper. <G>

    Joyce

    Fred said:

    MORNING person, here. I always wanted the darn hardware
    store to be open before 6am and now Lowes and Home Depot
    meet my needs! (G)

    Yup, the adage that fits you: "I did not wake up grumpy, I
    let her sleep!"

    Miss Violette said:

    There is only one thing worth waking up for in the
    morning, and since this is a family group I won't o there.
    I have long had the theory that only people hired by the
    federal government should be allowed out before noon.
    These people would be allowed to shoot anyone not actively
    delivering something. I am definitely NOT a morning, I
    simply see no purpose to them, Lee Joyce <[email hidden]>
    wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    That's pretty much how I am too. One of my favorite
    dinners, as well as


    the rest

    Quoted message said:

    of the families, is my oven baked omelet casserole (or
    eggie casserole as


    the kids

    Quoted message said:

    have dubbed it) ... eggbeaters, whatever veggies I
    decide to throw in,


    lowfat

    Quoted message said:

    cheese, sometimes diced ham - sometimes not ... mix,
    bake, eat. Light


    wheat

    Quoted message said:

    toast, baked diced potatoes, cut up melons (honeydew,
    cantaloupe),


    pineapple,

    Quoted message said:

    grapes, whatever and call it fruit salad. But I don't
    enjoy it as much


    in the

    Quoted message said:

    morning. Morning is quickie oatmeal, fruit OR toast ...
    if anything ...


    and

    Quoted message said:

    usually not before 10:30 or 11. I am not a morning
    person.

    Joyce

    On Wed, 17 Mar 2004 06:39:34 -0600, "Miss Violette"


    <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    wrote:

    >I love breakfast food just not at breakfast time, I
    >have been able to


    make

    Quoted message said:

    >myself eat when I first get up, I try and eat something
    >I can wash down


    with

    Quoted message said:

    >coffee to make it go down with little notice, Lee
    >Brenda Hammond <[email hidden]> wrote
    >in message "]news:[email hidden]...
    >> I'm with you Joyce. I actually hate breakfast unless
    >> I eat it around
    >11:00
    >> or so. Coffee I have to have in the morning, but food
    >> first thing


    turns

    Quoted message said:

    >me
    >> off. I usually force myself to eat something at
    >> breakfast, then a


    healthy

    Quoted message said:

    >> lunch, dinners are usually my larger meals too. I
    >> wish the evening


    snacks

    Quoted message said:

    >> turned me off as much as breakfast!
    >> --
    >> Brenda
    >> 209/186/150
    >>
    >> "Joyce" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    >> "]news:[email hidden]...
    >> > Wow, that doesn't seem to be much food when running
    >> > after kids all


    day,

    Quoted message said:

    >> but
    >> > obviously she knows what works for her. I can
    >> > understand her


    breakfast

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    >> eating as
    >> > I'm the same way. I really don't enjoy breakfast,
    >> > am not in the mood


    to

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    >> face food
    >> > in the morning. I have to conciously force myself
    >> > to fix something.
    >> Usually it's
    >> > that piece of toast, maybe some fruit added. Today
    >> > it was just a


    huge

    Quoted message said:

    >> bowl of cut
    >> > up fresh fruit. And that ever-present coffee. <g>
    >> > My dinners are


    much

    Quoted message said:

    >> larger -
    >> > that seems to be *my* meal.
    >> >
    >> > Joyce
    >> >
    >> > On Sun, 14 Mar 2004 13:30:29 GMT, "Lesanne"
    >> > <[email hidden]>
    >wrote:
    >> >
    >> > >My niece in law is the best example I ever saw.
    >> > >She is very petite.
    >> Mostly
    >> > >we had only eaten together at our main meal of the
    >> > >day. Recently


    Mom

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    >and
    >> I
    >> > >visited at their home in Austin for a day or two.
    >> > >She has one piece


    of

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    >> dry
    >> > >toast in the morning "this is all I want in the
    >> > >morning", about a


    half

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    >a
    >> > >sandwich maybe at lunch time with her baby under
    >> > >her arm, and picks


    up

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    >a
    >> > >chip or two off of someone elses plate. Eats maybe
    >> > >half a peanut
    >butter
    >> cup
    >> > >from someones hand mid afternoon. Then eats a
    >> > >pretty big meal in


    the

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    >> > >evening. On her feet in motion the entire day.
    >> > >
    >> > >Freaky to watch. Breaks all the rules. But total
    >> > >calories in -


    total

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    >> out
    >> > >seems to maintain her 100 or so pounds nicely.
    >> > >
    >> > >"Joyce" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:429-
    >> > >[email hidden]...
    >> > >> On Sat, 13 Mar 2004 21:01:02 GMT, "geri"
    >> > >> <[email hidden]>
    >wrote:
    >> > >>
    >> > >> >
    >> > >> >>> idea that I ought to be able to eat whatever
    >> > >> >>> now that I look
    >> "normal".
    >> > >> >>
    >> > >> >
    >> > >> >
    >> > >> >This is an interesting statement. My sis and I
    >> > >> >were having this


    same

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    >> > >> >conversation and she said something about
    >> > >> >losing the weight then
    >> feeling
    >> > >> >like she should be able to eat whatever...
    >> > >> >"like a skinny


    person."

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    >> Well,
    >> > >if
    >> > >> >you think about it, if we ate like skinny
    >> > >> >people, we would BE


    skinny

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    >> > >people.
    >> > >> >I've known thin or normal weight people who
    >> > >> >would seem to eat
    >> everything
    >> > >> >they want. I think the difference is they might
    >> > >> >eat a lot once in
    >> awhile,
    >> > >> >but most of the time they eat normal or less
    >> > >> >than normal amounts.
    >What
    >> do
    >> > >> >you guys think?
    >> > >>
    >> > >> We were just talking about this not too long
    >> > >> ago, in another


    thread.

    Quoted message said:

    >I
    >> > >think
    >> > >> someone had said they got pi**ed off watching
    >> > >> those naturally thin
    >> people
    >> > >eat. My
    >> > >> thoughts were like yours ... are there really
    >> > >> any naturally thin
    >> people?
    >> > >I have a
    >> > >> feeling that they watch things as closely as we
    >> > >> do, but have been
    >doing
    >> it
    >> > >for
    >> > >> much longer. We only see them eat on occassion,
    >> > >> we don't see them
    >> 24/7.
    >> > >The best
    >> > >> example I could come up with is a neighborhood
    >> > >> woman, who's


    children

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    >> have
    >> > >been in
    >> > >> school with mine forever. Nicest woman around,
    >> > >> thinnest dang


    thing I

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    >> have
    >> > >ever
    >> > >> seen ... even after having 4 children. I swore
    >> > >> she was one of


    those

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    >> lucky
    >> > >> naturally think people and was very jealous.
    >> > >> Just a few weeks ago


    I

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    >> > >noticed her
    >> > >> out on the street jogging ... then saw her again
    >> > >> a few days later.
    >Now
    >> > >I've
    >> > >> noticed that this appears to be a daily routine
    >> > >> for her. So is


    she

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    >> REALLY
    >> > >> naturally thin? She has always been thin from
    >> > >> what I have seen


    (over

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    >> the
    >> > >course
    >> > >> of 17 years) but she also seems to be very
    >> > >> dedicated to remaining
    >that
    >> > >way. I am
    >> > >> sure she is careful what she eats, based on her
    >> > >> diligence in
    >exercising
    >> > >that I
    >> > >> have just noticed. I've just begun to change my
    >> > >> views on how I


    look

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    >at
    >> > >other
    >> > >> people, realize that we don't know their entire
    >> > >> story and it isn't
    >fair
    >> to
    >> > >make
    >> > >> judgement on what little we actually see.
    >> > >>
    >> > >> Joyce
    >> > >> >
    >> > >> >Geri
    >> > >> >
    >> > >> >
    >> > >> >
    >> > >>
    >> > >
    >> >
    >>
    >>
    >


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