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  1. Gooserider said:

    Did your great-grandparents come here legally, through Ellis
    Island(or whatever)? I'm sure they did. The problem is ILLEGAL
    IMMIGRATION. If people
    want to come here they must follow the rules. You can't just sneak
    in.

    Yep, mine came legally, through Ellis Island, but they came at a different
    time, IN a different world, FROM a different place and FOR different
    reasons.

    A substantive difference, IMHO, is /why/ the immigration problem currently
    exists, and on the scale to which it does.

    Let me propose one reason: employers virtually never take the heat for
    knowingly or "wink-wink" knowingly hiring illegals. The illegals who are
    caught are deported and more follow on their heels into this country for the
    employers to hire. Cheap, local labor is a Business imperative in this
    country.

    If illegals were made legals--either through an amnesty of sorts or a
    revision upward of current quotas--that would make them eligible for Minimum
    Wage (and to pay taxes). That--if you believe Big Business--would simply
    /crush/ business, make restaurants and produce unaffordable, blah, blah,
    blah. What it really would do is hurt the profitability of some
    corporations and make Suburbanites have to dig deeper in their pockets for
    their domestics and landscapers.

    Illegal aliens are like Big Tobacco in this country. Sure, it's a problem,
    but we profit so immensely from it that nobody wants it to go away. If
    that's the case, I'd rather that the victims at least be educated, healthy,
    and protected . . . in some fashion.

    Plus, take a look at our immigration policy. If you're Cuban, it's the "wet
    food, dry land" policy. IOW: we don't like Castro's Communism so it's open
    season for immigrants. Show up in Miami from Port-au-Prince, Haiti, OTOH,
    and go to jail until you're deported.

    Our current immigration policy is a political tool, for sale just like any
    other. I don't happen to care for the current owners. /Wholesale/ reform,
    I'd be interested in seeing.

  2. Neil Brooks said:
    Gooserider said:

    Did your great-grandparents come here legally, through Ellis
    Island(or whatever)? I'm sure they did. The problem is ILLEGAL
    IMMIGRATION. If people
    want to come here they must follow the rules. You can't just sneak
    in.

    Yep, mine came legally, through Ellis Island, but they came at a
    different
    time, IN a different world, FROM a different place and FOR different
    reasons.

    A substantive difference, IMHO, is /why/ the immigration problem
    currently
    exists, and on the scale to which it does.

    Let me propose one reason: employers virtually never take the heat for
    knowingly or "wink-wink" knowingly hiring illegals. The illegals who are
    caught are deported and more follow on their heels into this country for
    the
    employers to hire. Cheap, local labor is a Business imperative in this
    country.

    If illegals were made legals--either through an amnesty of sorts or a
    revision upward of current quotas--that would make them eligible for
    Minimum
    Wage (and to pay taxes). That--if you believe Big Business--would simply
    /crush/ business, make restaurants and produce unaffordable, blah, blah,
    blah. What it really would do is hurt the profitability of some
    corporations and make Suburbanites have to dig deeper in their pockets
    for
    their domestics and landscapers.

    Illegal aliens are like Big Tobacco in this country. Sure, it's a
    problem,
    but we profit so immensely from it that nobody wants it to go away. If
    that's the case, I'd rather that the victims at least be educated,
    healthy,
    and protected . . . in some fashion.

    Plus, take a look at our immigration policy. If you're Cuban, it's the
    "wet
    food, dry land" policy. IOW: we don't like Castro's Communism so it's
    open
    season for immigrants. Show up in Miami from Port-au-Prince, Haiti,
    OTOH,
    and go to jail until you're deported.

    Our current immigration policy is a political tool, for sale just like
    any
    other. I don't happen to care for the current owners. /Wholesale/
    reform,
    I'd be interested in seeing.


    For once I agree completely, we need to clean house from the top down.

    --
    Bill (?) Baka

  3. Gooserider said:

    My response was to Neil, who is unable to see the difference between legal
    immigration and illegal invasion.

    Illegal invasion? Now why'd you go and drag Iraq into this....

  4. Bill Baka said:
    Quoted message said:


    I didn't know what LSD was in 1957, did you?

    Lake Shore Drive?

    --
    Mike Kruger
    "So class, who can tell me how much of our genetic code we
    share with
    chimpanzees?" "Ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh! I know, sir!"

  5. Mike Kruger said:
    Bill Baka said:
    Quoted message said:


    I didn't know what LSD was in 1957, did you?

    Lake Shore Drive?


    Good comeback line. Probably my favorite drive in Chicago. At least it was.
    I also get hung up in the museum of science and industry and the field
    museum.
    I miss going into the U-505 and appreciating what they had to do during the
    war, them and us, both sides good men, one side wrong reason.

    --
    Bill (?) Baka

  6. In article <[email hidden]>, Chris B. says...

    Quoted message said:


    On Wed, 08 Dec 2004 17:20:08 -0700, Rich <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:
    Bill Baka said:

    some black guy, drunk as he could get was walking
    down the street with a rooster on his head

    A rooser on his head?

    A [censored]-and-bull story.


    I believe Bill. Big cities are full of unimagined sights. Go see for
    yourself.

  7. Ed said:

    In article <[email hidden]>, Chris B. says...

    Quoted message said:


    On Wed, 08 Dec 2004 17:20:08 -0700, Rich <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Bill Baka wrote:

    > some black guy, drunk as he could get was walking
    > down the street with a rooster on his head

    A rooser on his head?

    A [censored]-and-bull story.


    I believe Bill. Big cities are full of unimagined sights. Go see for
    yourself.


    Truth sometimes is stranger than fiction. People do some strange things,
    more than I could think up. At least in the country areas most things
    are predictable, like skunk smells bad, flower smells good.

    --
    Bill (?) Baka

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