re; How i spent

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tony, i grew up in total beverly hills 90210 suburbia...Trailrunner can
confirm that for you....in Montclair, in Oakland, CA on Upper B'way
Terrace and Skyline Blvd.

You can take the boy out of the ghetto, but not the ghetto out of the
boy.

PSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSYCHO

On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 14:10:59 -0500, [email hidden] (Freddie

Jackels) said:

and one more think.
the boogie boards are out in front dateline. the 2 murders that took
place in great lake michigan can be solved now with the csi and pam on
the globe awards.......O.K. tell trump number 1 man there for mat
the great.
I am taking one for the team......O..be K.... if not there to go.well
I can wait on your 2+2=$76,000.00 some more.I am7..oh be k be.
Dy-ne-mi-te.....lol well evident must be gone......Later New
York........ gointg to watchtoons on your..well business
savey........
as for the 2 murders.wasen't there......busy.......later rr....

oh yes......only one way to settle it.....stand in line.......and wait
for the 2+2=.....what ever......a free country....

ask for potato and get tomato.......

just saw you ran 4:42.9 in the mile & 2:10.9 at 800m indoor. two
runners finished 1.7 seconds ahead of you in that 800m race. what was
that 800 like donnie? did those 2 guys catch you in the end or did
you more so close the gap and almost got'em at the finish? and what
about the guy that finished 0.2 seconds right off your ass? what was
that like donnie?...was he there the whole race and try and [censored]
you....or did you overtake him at the finish?

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did those 2 guys catch you in the end

Well he actually backed up to "get it in the end", but that's because
he likes it.

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just saw you ran 4:42.9 in the mile & 2:10.9 at 800m indoor. two

That's right.

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runners finished 1.7 seconds ahead of you in that 800m race. what was
that 800 like donnie? did those 2 guys catch you in the end or did
you more so close the gap and almost got'em at the finish?

The 800 was a really crowded race. Didn't want to go with the front because
they went out very hard but I didn't want to be stuck at the back behind the
slower group, especially in the 800 where everyone slows down. So I was stuck
in lane 2 for a good chunk of the race. I was catching Kelsey after the half
point but ran out of steam. I think the other guy passed me. But I passed
several of those other guys who were behind me.

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and what
about the guy that finished 0.2 seconds right off your ass? what was
that like donnie?...was he there the whole race and try and [censored]
you....or did you overtake him at the finish?

I don't know -- once you pass them, you can't see them any more unless they
try to pass you. My guess is that he snuck up to me on the last lap but didn't
make it past. But it's hard to tell, the 800 is a bit of a mess. I do it as
practice for the mile, because the jostling in the 800 is even worse than it
is in the mile, so it's a good way to practice race tactics.

Cheers,
--
Donovan Rebbechi
http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/

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I'll risk to call "harlemitis"

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tony, i grew up in total beverly hills 90210 suburbia...Trailrunner can
confirm that for you....in Montclair, in Oakland, CA on Upper B'way
Terrace and Skyline Blvd. I graduated from one of the best colleges in
the world (no scholarships, grants, or aid of any kind...my parents
just paid the fees). I'm quite secure financially. Most of your
comments and perceptions of "Harlem" illustrate profound ignorance of
Harlem.

I never thought you were a poor boy stuck in the getto in Harlem Lance. It's
obvious from your having lived in many places and travels that you have
experiened the broader world. My main perceptions of Harlem come from my
friend who lived there, it's effect on him, and spending time with him in
Harlem when he lived there. He moved away about 10 years ago. It's a place
with a rich history; I recently watched a PBS show about Harlem's history,
and have paid some measure of attention when news about it's recent changes
and growth have caught my ear. When I spoke of struggle, I didn't mean only
financial struggle, I also meant the civil rights struggle.

But I think all this is actually beside the point that appears to have been
made effectively, namely that ultras seem to attract well educated people,
and that being rich has little to do with it.

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I hate to spoil your perceptions of Harlem....but most of my friends
who dwell in Harlem have Ivy League degrees....and have opened business
like upscale wine boutiues located in the center of Harlem like
www.harlemvintage.com/
(it's probably more upscale than most wine merchants in Manhattan).

I knew that Harlem has been changing fast in this way. I would guess that if
it hasn't yet been fully taken over by rich folks like yourself, it will be
soon. It's probably a divided community. I remember when Bill Clinton first
wanted to put his offices in Harlem there were some mixed feelings about
that from the residents there, because it would drive up property values,
and rents, to the point where it would force out some people who couldn't
afford the increases.

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my other friends?...they've opened Champagne & Caviar Bar's.....in
Harlem. That's right..in Harlem...on 120th & Lenox...
http://www.emperorsroe.com/

imagine that...negroes actually drink fancy champagne and eat caviar
and foie gras.

...and it's quite possible yours truly will be the next Congressman
from the 15th district.....you my friend know _nothing_ about Harlem.

Actually nothing you've said surprises me. It would somewhat surprise me if
there are no people who struggle for a living in Harlem, but I'm not
suggesting that Harlem is or ever was primarily a gettho. If I'm not
mistaken it was long the center of the black cultural elite. But yes, I know
very little about Harlem - and you know very little about trail running.

-Tony

Excuses excuses! What a PUNK!

Donovan Rebbechi said:

Quoted message said:

just saw you ran 4:42.9 in the mile & 2:10.9 at 800m indoor. two

That's right.

Quoted message said:

runners finished 1.7 seconds ahead of you in that 800m race. what was
that 800 like donnie? did those 2 guys catch you in the end or did
you more so close the gap and almost got'em at the finish?

The 800 was a really crowded race. Didn't want to go with the front because
they went out very hard but I didn't want to be stuck at the back behind the
slower group, especially in the 800 where everyone slows down. So I was stuck
in lane 2 for a good chunk of the race. I was catching Kelsey after the half
point but ran out of steam. I think the other guy passed me. But I passed
several of those other guys who were behind me.

Quoted message said:

and what
about the guy that finished 0.2 seconds right off your ass? what was
that like donnie?...was he there the whole race and try and [censored]
you....or did you overtake him at the finish?

I don't know -- once you pass them, you can't see them any more unless they
try to pass you. My guess is that he snuck up to me on the last lap but didn't
make it past. But it's hard to tell, the 800 is a bit of a mess. I do it as
practice for the mile, because the jostling in the 800 is even worse than it
is in the mile, so it's a good way to practice race tactics.

Cheers,

True Fiction said:

Excuses excuses! What a PUNK!

Excuses ? No, why make excuses ? Both the mile and 800 were track PRs.

Cheers,
--
Donovan Rebbechi
http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/

Tony S. said:

mistaken it was long the center of the black cultural elite. But yes, I know
very little about Harlem - and you know very little about trail running.

Indeed. If we were to demand silence of the ignorant,

(1) our demands would never be met anyway,
(2) the most likely to adhere to such demands would be among the least
ignorant, and
(3) if we got what we wished for, this newsgroup would be a really quiet
place. One way or another, most discussion is initiated by someone expressing
their ignorance -- some intentionally, by posing a question, and some
unintenionally, um, by posting something that's just plain dumb (and yes I
know I'm not above this). Either way, if it leads to some interesting
discussion-- which it usually does as long as a certain standard of civility is
upheld, then it's all good.

Cheers,
--
Donovan Rebbechi
http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/

Tony S. said:

But I think all this is actually beside the point that appears to have been
made effectively, namely that ultras seem to attract well educated people,
and that being rich has little to do with it.

Again, while many ultra runners may be well educated, a broad spectrum
of folks do ultras. If you were going to make a broad generalization
about ultra runners, the one trait they most are likely to share is
having compulsive/addictive personalities. I would venture that at least
half the ones I know well have fought other addictions and found ultra
running to less destructive (including myself).

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Donovan Rebbechi said:

Excuses ? No, why make excuses ? Both the mile and 800 were track PRs.

P-U-N-K. E-C-U-S-E-S!!!!!

Donovan Rebbechi said:

Indeed. If we were to demand silence of the ignorant,

....

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a broad spectrum of folks do ultras.

Not true. The _fact_ is the youngest male Badwater entry, perhaps one
of the top 3 premiere Ultra events....in '05 was a 31 yr old male.
Note an entire generation was absent...male runners aged 20 - 30 in one
of Ultras top & premiere events. When an entire generation is not
represented at all, men aged 20 - 30 years of age.....i don't believe
the characterization of "broad spectrum" is valid or accurate. do you
think an event can not include distance runners aged 20-30 and still be
characterized as encompassing "a broad spectrum of folks"?

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a broad spectrum of folks do ultras.

Not true. The _fact_ is the youngest male Badwater entry, perhaps one
of the top 3 premiere Ultra events....in '05 was a 31 yr old male.
Note an entire generation was absent...male runners aged 20 - 30 in
one
of Ultras top & premiere events.

Just a few points:
1. the 20-30 age group in most races is very light. That's the age where
people are starting jobs and families and most exercise is swapped in
for baby bottles and Overtime. Take a look at the 2005 results of the
HAT run. The race will show you a fairly typical spread of ages.
http://www.hatrun.com/RESULTS/05.htm Look at
http://www.vermont50.com/html/2005_results.html#50m to see the
distribution of the Vermont 50K and 50 miler.
I'll toss in the Western States 100 which shows more of what you are
suggesting but for different reasons.
2. Badwater is far from typical even in the ultra world. It's an odd
race being 135 miles in 100+ degrees. If you look at the requirements to
get into Badwater you need tons of experience, i.e. many years of
running to even make the cut. Western States also has a time requirement
and a lottery adding another degree of difficulty. Badwater is premiere
by some but far from typical.
3. The most important reason is people run 5-10 years working their way
through the range of distances before entertaining the thought of an
ultra race. Then it takes another bunch of years to work through the
50k's. 50 mile, 100k to get to a 100. So in a way you are correct the
20-30's are light. It's a venue that takes years.

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When an entire generation is not
represented at all, men aged 20 - 30 years of age.....i don't believe
the characterization of "broad spectrum" is valid or accurate. do
you
think an event can not include distance runners aged 20-30 and still
be
characterized as encompassing "a broad spectrum of folks"?

To say it does not have many in the 20-30 and thus not broad spectrum is
misleading. The good news is the number of people jumping shorter trail
races is growing at least in areas where these races are being held.
Trail running is a shortcut to jump to ultra races. You learn that these
races are a mixture of run and power hike and are less intimidated when
some someone suggests a 50k. To jump from a grueling marathon to a trail
50 is bloody frightening - been there.

So yes the numbers are light because of the time it takes but I would
still consider it broad spectrum especially in the 50k bracket, the
entry level race.

The question becomes, you have the maturity(age, the other factor is
questionable) as you profess but do you have the balls? 🙂

-DougF

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" the majority of marathon runners are by necessity on a
professional/managerial career path, or otherwise living a life without
physical labor, which allows them to dedicate their leisure time to the
work of marathon training".

The time and money is a real issue, but I think that there must be other
factors. When I lived on the border of LA and OC and I was in my 20's, I
played tons of basketball. It was great as there were about a million
places to get pick up games including mile square park in Fountain Valley
ect. and several places in LA. There were a lot of black guys that showed
up regularly, and if you were a regular (and you didn't suck), you could get
in a lot of games. There were a complete cross section of socioeconomic
backgrounds as well as ages represented. Guys had plenty of time to play
ball and money for gear so I don't really believe that time is the complete
issue. I got the feeling that a lot of these guys enjoyed a comradrie that
just isn't a part of running, at least much a part. Other than that, who
knows.

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the only thing upstate that looks compelling is the boilermaker....
but i am afraid to enter it because i would hate to have pendejo
kick my ass.

clown lance

f rangel