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  1. Patio Lemur said:

    On Fri, 08 Jun 2007 14:48:04 -0700, Haeresis Fascinetum

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    BOBOBOnoBO® said:

    On Jun 8, 4:40 pm, Haeresis Fascinetum <[email hidden]>
    wrote:

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    > On Jun 8, 10:09 am, BOBOBOnoBO® fka Food Snob <[email hidden]>
    > wrote:

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    > > I just got this in a bulletin on myspace:

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    > >http://www.crimelibrary.com/news/original/0607/0501_james_wamsley.html

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    > > Here is James Wamsley's myspace:
    > > myspace.com/jamesvolcom

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    > > --Bryan, not apologizing for top posting

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    > > On Jun 8, 9:37 am, BOBOBOnoBO® fka Food Snob <[email hidden]>
    > > wrote:

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    > > > On Jun 7, 10:35 am, "jmcquown" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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    > > > > Scott wrote:
    > > > > > Sheldon wrote:
    > > > > >> Police Make Arrest in Kansas Teen's Death
    > > > > >> Girl's Body Reportedly Found at a Missouri Lake
    > > > > >> By MARIA SUDEKUM FISHER
    > > > > >> AP
    > > > > >> OVERLAND PARK, Kan. (June 7) - Police arrested a man in theabduction
    > > > > >> and death of a teenager whose body was found Wednesday in aMissouri
    > > > > >> park four days after she disappeared from a Kansas store's parking
    > > > > >> lot.

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    > > > > >> -----

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    > > > > > Do you think if they legalize prostitution ( I don't mean
    > > > > > street/corner prostitution) it will cut down on the number of rapes?

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    > > > > No. Rape is not about sex. First and foremost it's about forced power and
    > > > > control over another person. Degradation and humiliation go right along
    > > > > with it, hence the number of rapes that still go unreported.

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    > > > But "power" and "degradation and humiliation" can be sexual turn-ons.
    > > > Inappropriate sexual turn-ons, yes, but the whole crock-of-[censored] line,
    > > > "Rape is not about sex," is promoted to make rape victims feel better,
    > > > and hopefully lessen the rape's effect on the victim's sexuality.
    > > > However well meaning, it is still [censored].
    > > > I go so far as to say that any sexual intercourse that takes place in
    > > > a context of men being for more powerful than women is potentially
    > > > rape. That includes all sex that takes place in highly patriarchal
    > > > societies. In these societies, women have less power than the typical
    > > > 12 year old girl in the West, and we think that guys who seduce 12
    > > > year old girls are horrible cads.

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    > > > In parts of Africa they practice FGM*, which is meant to make
    > > > intercourse undesirable for women, thus transforming EVERY eventinto
    > > > rape. There, rape is the norm for sexual relations. Do you think
    > > > that when Nigerian men have sex with their mutilated wives, thatit
    > > > "is not about sex"? You think that those guys aren't horny?

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    > > > However much people don't like to admit it, rape is on the continuum
    > > > of normal human sexuality. That doesn't make it good, or even
    > > > acceptable. It is also "normal" to want to kill people who haveupset
    > > > you, but we don't allow it, and for good reason. It is normal to want
    > > > to take your neighbors' food, dwelling, whatever too. We attempt to
    > > > socialize our children such that they do not do those things, by
    > > > instilling empathy and a sense of fairness. We don't always succeed.

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    > > > Prostitution should be legal for ONE REASON, because our society,
    > > > which has, and continues to treat women as second class human beings,
    > > > has no moral authority to tell and individual woman what she mayor
    > > > may not do with her own body. Telling women that they cannot use any
    > > > asset that they happen to have in consensual commerce continues that
    > > > patriarchal ownership paradigm. Those who think otherwise have a lot
    > > > in common with bin Laden and his folks.

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    > > > In bonobo** societies there is no rape, and the females use their
    > > > sexual appeal to empower themselves, the nightmare scenario for all
    > > > the patriarchal religios, be they Taliban, or the guy in the Vatican.

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    > > > *"The importance given to virginity and an intact hymen in these
    > > > societies is the reason why female circumcision still remains a very
    > > > widespread practice despite a growing tendency, especially in urban
    > > > Egypt, to do away with it as something outdated and harmful. Behind
    > > > circumcision lies the belief that, by removing parts of girls'
    > > > external genitals organs, sexual desire is minimized. This permits a
    > > > female who has reached the dangerous age of puberty and adolescence to
    > > > protect her virginity, and therefore her honor, with greater ease.
    > > > Chastity was imposed on male attendants in the female harem by
    > > > castration which turned them into inoffensive eunuchs. Similarly
    > > > female circumcision is meant to preserve the chastity of young girls
    > > > by reducing their desire for sexual intercourse."
    > > > --source:http://www.religioustolerance.org/fem_cirm.htm

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    > > > **http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonobo

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    > > > --Bryan

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    > > > Frustrated daddies
    > > > Pathetic old men
    > > > Keep tryin' to sell us
    > > > With love as a sin
    > > > We're all fu(king sick of pathetic old men
    > > > --The Bonobos- Hide quoted text -

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    > > - Show quoted text -

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    > What's up?

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    > Is it rape week or something?

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    This is the first you've heard of it? Jeez, it's Friday.

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    I don't have a television specifically to keep me from hearing about
    things like this.

    You ever been concerned about the TV watching you whilst you're
    watching it?

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    From time to time, when alone, I've been embarrassed when watching TV


    because it's so dumb.

    The first time that happened when I was eight.

    -F

  2. On Jun 9, 1:03 pm, Haeresis Fascinetum <[email hidden]>

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    Patio Lemur said:

    On Fri, 08 Jun 2007 14:48:04 -0700, Haeresis Fascinetum

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    Quoted message said:

    On Jun 8, 4:45 pm, BOBOBOnoBO® <[email hidden]> wrote:
    > On Jun 8, 4:40 pm, Haeresis Fascinetum <[email hidden]>
    > wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > > On Jun 8, 10:09 am, BOBOBOnoBO® fka Food Snob <[email hidden]>
    > > wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > > > I just got this in a bulletin on myspace:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > > >http://www.crimelibrary.com/news/original/0607/0501_james_wamsley..html

    Quoted message said:
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    > > > Here is James Wamsley's myspace:
    > > > myspace.com/jamesvolcom

    Quoted message said:
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    > > > --Bryan, not apologizing for top posting

    Quoted message said:
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    > > > On Jun 8, 9:37 am, BOBOBOnoBO® fka Food Snob <[email hidden]>
    > > > wrote:

    Quoted message said:
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    > > > > On Jun 7, 10:35 am, "jmcquown" <[email hidden]> wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > > > > > Scott wrote:
    > > > > > > Sheldon wrote:
    > > > > > >> Police Make Arrest in Kansas Teen's Death
    > > > > > >> Girl's Body Reportedly Found at a Missouri Lake
    > > > > > >> By MARIA SUDEKUM FISHER
    > > > > > >> AP
    > > > > > >> OVERLAND PARK, Kan. (June 7) - Police arrested a man in the abduction
    > > > > > >> and death of a teenager whose body was found Wednesday ina Missouri
    > > > > > >> park four days after she disappeared from a Kansas store's parking
    > > > > > >> lot.

    Quoted message said:
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    > > > > > >> -----

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > > > > > > Do you think if they legalize prostitution ( I don't mean
    > > > > > > street/corner prostitution) it will cut down on the numberof rapes?

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > > > > > No. Rape is not about sex. First and foremost it's about forced power and
    > > > > > control over another person. Degradation and humiliation goright along
    > > > > > with it, hence the number of rapes that still go unreported.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > > > > But "power" and "degradation and humiliation" can be sexual turn-ons.
    > > > > Inappropriate sexual turn-ons, yes, but the whole crock-of-[censored] line,
    > > > > "Rape is not about sex," is promoted to make rape victims feelbetter,
    > > > > and hopefully lessen the rape's effect on the victim's sexuality.
    > > > > However well meaning, it is still [censored].
    > > > > I go so far as to say that any sexual intercourse that takes place in
    > > > > a context of men being for more powerful than women is potentially
    > > > > rape. That includes all sex that takes place in highly patriarchal
    > > > > societies. In these societies, women have less power than thetypical
    > > > > 12 year old girl in the West, and we think that guys who seduce 12
    > > > > year old girls are horrible cads.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > > > > In parts of Africa they practice FGM*, which is meant to make
    > > > > intercourse undesirable for women, thus transforming EVERY event into
    > > > > rape. There, rape is the norm for sexual relations. Do you think
    > > > > that when Nigerian men have sex with their mutilated wives, that it
    > > > > "is not about sex"? You think that those guys aren't horny?

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > > > > However much people don't like to admit it, rape is on the continuum
    > > > > of normal human sexuality. That doesn't make it good, or even
    > > > > acceptable. It is also "normal" to want to kill people who have upset
    > > > > you, but we don't allow it, and for good reason. It is normalto want
    > > > > to take your neighbors' food, dwelling, whatever too. We attempt to
    > > > > socialize our children such that they do not do those things, by
    > > > > instilling empathy and a sense of fairness. We don't always succeed.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > > > > Prostitution should be legal for ONE REASON, because our society,
    > > > > which has, and continues to treat women as second class human beings,
    > > > > has no moral authority to tell and individual woman what she may or
    > > > > may not do with her own body. Telling women that they cannot use any
    > > > > asset that they happen to have in consensual commerce continues that
    > > > > patriarchal ownership paradigm. Those who think otherwise have a lot
    > > > > in common with bin Laden and his folks.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > > > > In bonobo** societies there is no rape, and the females use their
    > > > > sexual appeal to empower themselves, the nightmare scenario for all
    > > > > the patriarchal religios, be they Taliban, or the guy in the Vatican.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > > > > *"The importance given to virginity and an intact hymen in these
    > > > > societies is the reason why female circumcision still remains a very
    > > > > widespread practice despite a growing tendency, especially in urban
    > > > > Egypt, to do away with it as something outdated and harmful. Behind
    > > > > circumcision lies the belief that, by removing parts of girls'
    > > > > external genitals organs, sexual desire is minimized. This permits a
    > > > > female who has reached the dangerous age of puberty and adolescence to
    > > > > protect her virginity, and therefore her honor, with greater ease.
    > > > > Chastity was imposed on male attendants in the female harem by
    > > > > castration which turned them into inoffensive eunuchs. Similarly
    > > > > female circumcision is meant to preserve the chastity of younggirls
    > > > > by reducing their desire for sexual intercourse."
    > > > > --source:http://www.religioustolerance.org/fem_cirm.htm

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    > > > > **http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonobo

    Quoted message said:
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    > > > > --Bryan

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > > > > Frustrated daddies
    > > > > Pathetic old men
    > > > > Keep tryin' to sell us
    > > > > With love as a sin
    > > > > We're all fu(king sick of pathetic old men
    > > > > --The Bonobos- Hide quoted text -

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > > > - Show quoted text -

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > > What's up?

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > > Is it rape week or something?

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > This is the first you've heard of it? Jeez, it's Friday.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I don't have a television specifically to keep me from hearing about
    things like this.

    Quoted message said:

    You ever been concerned about the TV watching you whilst you're
    watching it?

    Quoted message said:

    From time to time, when alone, I've been embarrassed when watching TV

    because it's so dumb.

    The first time that happened when I was eight.

    Over the past several weeks I have watched the entire first season and
    the first DVD from the second season of The Monkees.

    Quoted message said:


    -F

    --Bryan

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