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  1. Ophelia said:


    "Pete C." <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    The police being unarmed leads me to believe it's Britain.

    Last I heard that was a thing of the past and the police were now armed
    because the criminals were still armed despite the absurd anti gun laws.
    Just further proof that anti gun laws accomplish nothing but increasing
    the pool of victims.

    In Britain we have no regularly armed police. We do however have armed
    units which can be called in when needed. We don't have enough though and
    there is talk of having to have foreign armed police for the Olympics

    So you have regularly armed police hiding in the background watching all
    those thousands of video cameras you allowed them to install all over
    the place, waiting to run and bail out the posteriors of the "show
    police" and also to do the real work going after known criminals.
    Basically what I said, armed police because despite the absurd gun laws,
    the criminals still have guns.

  2. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Pete C. said:

    Recall that the Glocks were designed by a guy who had no hands on
    experience with guns.

    That is true... which is why the striker mechanisms etc. in a glock are
    simpler and more reliable than just about any gun on the market, and
    will take more abuse.

    I'm not much of a glock fan per se' even tho' we have one, but there is
    a good reason that law enforcement favors them. They take a lot of
    neglect and abuse, and will still function.

    Unfortunately tho' the original triggers were too light and gave rise to
    a lot of negligent discharges.

    But I still blame that more on the operator than the weapon. ;-)
    --
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  3. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Pete C. said:
    T said:


    In article <[email hidden]>,
    [email hidden] says...

    Quoted message said:

    On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 09:48:54 +0200, Giusi <[email hidden]> wrote:

    > I still don't want to live where
    >arming myself is more important than whether my shoes are cute.
    >
    >I know how to shoot, I once owned guns, I never wanted to kill anything
    >with a gun. I don't miss them one single bit. I go to the ATM at
    >midnight and then walk through town to the parking lot outside the
    >walls, and although there are a few thieves around, there are also
    >decent citizens who see me as I pass and would help me if I needed help.
    > They are not in danger of being shot for it, because almost no one has
    >a gun, including most police.

    And where is this that no bad guy has a gun?
    And that the cuteness of your shoes outweigh you life?

    The police being unarmed leads me to believe it's Britain.

    Last I heard that was a thing of the past and the police were now armed
    because the criminals were still armed despite the absurd anti gun laws.
    Just further proof that anti gun laws accomplish nothing but increasing
    the pool of victims.

    I would not say it increased the victim pool, but it does decrease one's
    ability to defend one's self. There are not enough police to be
    everywhere at once.
    --
    Peace, Om

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  4. Omelet said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    jmcquown said:
    Omelet said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,
    "Ophelia" <[email hidden]> wrote:

    > Anyone carrying a knife or pepper spray will find themselve in
    > trouble fast!!!

    Pepper spray is outlawed too???

    Yeesh!


    Sort of OB Food: Is it legal to carry an open bottle of Tabasco
    sauce (or worse, Thai pepper sauce) in your hand?! Splashed in the
    eyes, I imagine it would hurt a LOT.

    That is actually not a bad idea... ;-)

    Yeah, well I refuse to live in fear but I won't carry a gun and I always
    have hot pepper sauce on hand.

    Jill

  5. Dee Dee said:


    Maybe it's the other-way-round. They do let inmates out during the
    day to roof. Perhaps that is what they are giving as their profession
    because that is probably the only job they've had in recent months/
    years.

    I always ask that any construction work around my house be done by
    people that they don't get from the jail.

    Roofers tend to be low lifes. Whenever I pulled over a truck with ladders
    and shingles I always made sure to take a clip board and some paper to
    write down the driver's name because they were pretty well guaranteed not
    to have a licence on them, and they usually turned out to be unlicensed or
    suspended, and frequently had outstanding warrants.

    It is a good idea when having roofing done to take photos of the roofers.
    When your house gets burgled a few weeks later you can give the police the
    pictures of the likely suspects.

  6. In article <[email hidden]>,

    jmcquown said:
    Omelet said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    jmcquown said:

    Omelet wrote:
    > In article <[email hidden]>,
    > "Ophelia" <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >
    >> Anyone carrying a knife or pepper spray will find themselve in
    >> trouble fast!!!
    >
    > Pepper spray is outlawed too???
    >
    > Yeesh!
    >
    Sort of OB Food: Is it legal to carry an open bottle of Tabasco
    sauce (or worse, Thai pepper sauce) in your hand?! Splashed in the
    eyes, I imagine it would hurt a LOT.

    That is actually not a bad idea... ;-)

    Yeah, well I refuse to live in fear but I won't carry a gun and I always
    have hot pepper sauce on hand.

    Jill

    Wonder if you could get that past the airport check in? <g>
    --
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  7. Omelet said:


    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Pete C. said:
    T said:


    In article <[email hidden]>,
    [email hidden] says...
    > On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 09:48:54 +0200, Giusi <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >
    > > I still don't want to live where
    > >arming myself is more important than whether my shoes are cute.
    > >
    > >I know how to shoot, I once owned guns, I never wanted to kill anything
    > >with a gun. I don't miss them one single bit. I go to the ATM at
    > >midnight and then walk through town to the parking lot outside the
    > >walls, and although there are a few thieves around, there are also
    > >decent citizens who see me as I pass and would help me if I needed help.
    > > They are not in danger of being shot for it, because almost no one has
    > >a gun, including most police.
    >
    > And where is this that no bad guy has a gun?
    > And that the cuteness of your shoes outweigh you life?
    >

    The police being unarmed leads me to believe it's Britain.

    Last I heard that was a thing of the past and the police were now armed
    because the criminals were still armed despite the absurd anti gun laws.
    Just further proof that anti gun laws accomplish nothing but increasing
    the pool of victims.

    I would not say it increased the victim pool, but it does decrease one's
    ability to defend one's self. There are not enough police to be
    everywhere at once.

    Ah, but that's ok, they have video cameras... video cameras will allow
    the police to be everywhere at once and protect the poor defenseless
    citizens...

  8. jmcquown said:


    Omelet said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    jmcquown said:

    Omelet wrote:
    > In article <[email hidden]>,
    > "Ophelia" <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >
    >> Anyone carrying a knife or pepper spray will find themselve in
    >> trouble fast!!!
    >
    > Pepper spray is outlawed too???
    >
    > Yeesh!
    >
    Sort of OB Food: Is it legal to carry an open bottle of Tabasco
    sauce (or worse, Thai pepper sauce) in your hand?! Splashed in the
    eyes, I imagine it would hurt a LOT.

    That is actually not a bad idea... ;-)

    Yeah, well I refuse to live in fear but I won't carry a gun and I always
    have hot pepper sauce on hand.

    Jill

    Funny how it seems most of the anti-gun folks seem to live in constant
    fear that the person in line with them at the grocery store might have a
    gun... or the one at the hot dog stand... or the one at the park... or
    the one at the coffee shop... It's a wonder they ever leave their little
    cocoons...

  9. Dave Smith said:


    It is a good idea when having roofing done to take photos of the roofers.
    When your house gets burgled a few weeks later you can give the police the
    pictures of the likely suspects.

    I take pictures of everyone who does work at our house. Yes, they let
    me know that they are smiling at me behind my back; but I don't care.
    Some seem to be just shy kids, but one never knows.
    Dee Dee

  10. Pete C. said:

    Recall that the Glocks were designed by a guy who had no hands on
    experience with guns.

    Not exactly accurate. He had served in the military where he would be sure
    to have had some hands on experience with guns. He had no hands on
    experience in designing any guns.

  11. "Dave Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    It is a good idea when having roofing done to take photos of the roofers.
    When your house gets burgled a few weeks later you can give the police the
    pictures of the likely suspects.

    Do they think people with recent roofing work are better
    burglary opportunities?

    nancy

  12. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Pete C. said:
    Omelet said:


    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Pete C. said:

    T wrote:
    >
    > In article <[email hidden]>,
    > [email hidden] says...
    > > On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 09:48:54 +0200, Giusi <[email hidden]> wrote:
    > >
    > > > I still don't want to live where
    > > >arming myself is more important than whether my shoes are cute.
    > > >
    > > >I know how to shoot, I once owned guns, I never wanted to kill
    > > >anything
    > > >with a gun. I don't miss them one single bit. I go to the ATM at
    > > >midnight and then walk through town to the parking lot outside the
    > > >walls, and although there are a few thieves around, there are also
    > > >decent citizens who see me as I pass and would help me if I needed
    > > >help.
    > > > They are not in danger of being shot for it, because almost no one
    > > > has
    > > >a gun, including most police.
    > >
    > > And where is this that no bad guy has a gun?
    > > And that the cuteness of your shoes outweigh you life?
    > >
    >
    > The police being unarmed leads me to believe it's Britain.

    Last I heard that was a thing of the past and the police were now armed
    because the criminals were still armed despite the absurd anti gun laws.
    Just further proof that anti gun laws accomplish nothing but increasing
    the pool of victims.

    I would not say it increased the victim pool, but it does decrease one's
    ability to defend one's self. There are not enough police to be
    everywhere at once.

    Ah, but that's ok, they have video cameras... video cameras will allow
    the police to be everywhere at once and protect the poor defenseless
    citizens...

    In a perfect world...

    You know that Chicago is planning to install city wide video cameras?
    Sounds like a pork barrel project to me.
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  13. Pete C. said:
    Omelet said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,
    "Pete C." <[email hidden]> wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    T wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > In article <[email hidden]>,
    > [email hidden] says...
    > > On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 09:48:54 +0200, Giusi <[email hidden]> wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > > > I still don't want to live where
    > > >arming myself is more important than whether my shoes are cute.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > > >I know how to shoot, I once owned guns, I never wanted to kill anything
    > > >with a gun. I don't miss them one single bit. I go to the ATM at
    > > >midnight and then walk through town to the parking lot outside the
    > > >walls, and although there are a few thieves around, there are also
    > > >decent citizens who see me as I pass and would help me if I needed help.
    > > > They are not in danger of being shot for it, because almost no one has
    > > >a gun, including most police.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > > And where is this that no bad guy has a gun?
    > > And that the cuteness of your shoes outweigh you life?

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > The police being unarmed leads me to believe it's Britain.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Last I heard that was a thing of the past and the police were now armed
    because the criminals were still armed despite the absurd anti gun laws.
    Just further proof that anti gun laws accomplish nothing but increasing
    the pool of victims.

    Quoted message said:

    I would not say it increased the victim pool, but it does decrease one's
    ability to defend one's self. There are not enough police to be
    everywhere at once.

    Ah, but that's ok, they have video cameras... video cameras will allow
    the police to be everywhere at once and protect the poor defenseless
    citizens...- Hide quoted text -

    - Show quoted text -

    Somewhere I've read (is it in the consitution?) that it is not the
    duty of the police to protect its citizens. Someone who knows could
    clarify where this is written; but I'm sure there are too many
    opinions that this is not the case.

    Dee Dee

  14. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Dave Smith said:
    Pete C. said:

    Recall that the Glocks were designed by a guy who had no hands on
    experience with guns.

    Not exactly accurate. He had served in the military where he would be sure
    to have had some hands on experience with guns. He had no hands on
    experience in designing any guns.

    Which was why he did it from scratch.

    According to M. Ayoob in one of his books that had a chapter on the
    history of the Glock, he gave an open ticket to his research guys to
    design a gun completely from scratch, which explains why it's totally
    different from most other similar types of firearms.

    Glock was a Polymer manufacturer. He was originally approached by one of
    the gun companies (can't recall which one) to design a polymer frame for
    pistols. He decided he could make more money by making the entire weapon.

    He was right. ;-)
    --
    Peace, Om

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  15. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Dee Dee said:

    Somewhere I've read (is it in the consitution?) that it is not the
    duty of the police to protect its citizens. Someone who knows could
    clarify where this is written; but I'm sure there are too many
    opinions that this is not the case.

    Dee Dee

    Not sure if it is or not. I've only read thru it once, but I just happen
    to have the entire thing on file. IMHO, everybody should read the whole
    thing at least once. :-)

    Here it is for your reading pleasure:

    The Constitution of the United States of America

    We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect
    union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the
    common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of
    liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this
    Constitution for the United States of America.

    Article I

    Section 1. All legislative powers herein granted shall be vested in a
    Congress of the United States, which shall consist of a Senate and House
    of Representatives.

    Section 2. The House of Representatives shall be composed of members
    chosen every second year by the people of the several states, and the
    electors in each state shall have the qualifications requisite for
    electors of the most numerous branch of the state legislature.

    No person shall be a Representative who shall not have attained to the
    age of twenty five years, and been seven years a citizen of the United
    States, and who shall not, when elected, be an inhabitant of that state
    in which he shall be chosen.

    Representatives and direct taxes shall be apportioned among the several
    states which may be included within this union, according to their
    respective numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole
    number of free persons, including those bound to service for a term of
    years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other
    Persons. The actual Enumeration shall be made within three years after
    the first meeting of the Congress of the United States, and within every
    subsequent term of ten years, in such manner as they shall by law
    direct. The number of Representatives shall not exceed one for every
    thirty thousand, but each state shall have at least one Representative;
    and until such enumeration shall be made, the state of New Hampshire
    shall be entitled to chuse three, Massachusetts eight, Rhode Island and
    Providence Plantations one, Connecticut five, New York six, New Jersey
    four, Pennsylvania eight, Delaware one, Maryland six, Virginia ten,
    North Carolina five, South Carolina five, and Georgia three.

    When vacancies happen in the Representation from any state, the
    executive authority thereof shall issue writs of election to fill such
    vacancies.

    The House of Representatives shall choose their speaker and other
    officers; and shall have the sole power of impeachment.

    Section 3. The Senate of the United States shall be composed of two
    Senators from each state, chosen by the legislature thereof, for six
    years; and each Senator shall have one vote.

    Immediately after they shall be assembled in consequence of the first
    election, they shall be divided as equally as may be into three classes.
    The seats of the Senators of the first class shall be vacated at the
    expiration of the second year, of the second class at the expiration of
    the fourth year, and the third class at the expiration of the sixth
    year, so that one third may be chosen every second year; and if
    vacancies happen by resignation, or otherwise, during the recess of the
    legislature of any state, the executive thereof may make temporary
    appointments until the next meeting of the legislature, which shall then
    fill such vacancies.

    No person shall be a Senator who shall not have attained to the age of
    thirty years, and been nine years a citizen of the United States and who
    shall not, when elected, be an inhabitant of that state for which he
    shall be chosen.

    The Vice President of the United States shall be President of the
    Senate, but shall have no vote, unless they be equally divided.

    The Senate shall choose their other officers, and also a President pro
    tempore, in the absence of the Vice President, or when he shall exercise
    the office of President of the United States.

    The Senate shall have the sole power to try all impeachments. When
    sitting for that purpose, they shall be on oath or affirmation. When the
    President of the United States is tried, the Chief Justice shall
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    thirds of the members present.

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    removal from office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any office
    of honor, trust or profit under the United States: but the party
    convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to indictment, trial,
    judgment and punishment, according to law.

    Section 4. The times, places and manner of holding elections for
    Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each state by the
    legislature thereof; but the Congress may at any time by law make or
    alter such regulations, except as to the places of choosing Senators.

    The Congress shall assemble at least once in every year, and such
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    Section 5. Each House shall be the judge of the elections, returns and
    qualifications of its own members, and a majority of each shall
    constitute a quorum to do business; but a smaller number may adjourn
    from day to day, and may be authorized to compel the attendance of
    absent members, in such manner, and under such penalties as each House
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    Each House may determine the rules of its proceedings, punish its
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    thirds, expel a member.

    Each House shall keep a journal of its proceedings, and from time to
    time publish the same, excepting such parts as may in their judgment
    require secrecy; and the yeas and nays of the members of either House on
    any question shall, at the desire of one fifth of those present, be
    entered on the journal.

    Neither House, during the session of Congress, shall, without the
    consent of the other, adjourn for more than three days, nor to any other
    place than that in which the two Houses shall be sitting.

    Section 6. The Senators and Representatives shall receive a compensation
    for their services, to be ascertained by law, and paid out of the
    treasury of the United States. They shall in all cases, except treason,
    felony and breach of the peace, be privileged from arrest during their
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    and returning from the same; and for any speech or debate in either
    House, they shall not be questioned in any other place.

    No Senator or Representative shall, during the time for which he was
    elected, be appointed to any civil office under the authority of the
    United States, which shall have been created, or the emoluments whereof
    shall have been increased during such time: and no person holding any
    office under the United States, shall be a member of either House during
    his continuance in office.

    Section 7. All bills for raising revenue shall originate in the House of
    Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with amendments as
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    Every bill which shall have passed the House of Representatives and the
    Senate, shall, before it become a law, be presented to the President of
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    return it, with his objections to that House in which it shall have
    originated, who shall enter the objections at large on their journal,
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    of that House shall agree to pass the bill, it shall be sent, together
    with the objections, to the other House, by which it shall likewise be
    reconsidered, and if approved by two thirds of that House, it shall
    become a law. But in all such cases the votes of both Houses shall be
    determined by yeas and nays, and the names of the persons voting for and
    against the bill shall be entered on the journal of each House
    respectively. If any bill shall not be returned by the President within
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    shall not be a law.

    Every order, resolution, or vote to which the concurrence of the Senate
    and House of Representatives may be necessary (except on a question of
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    being disapproved by him, shall be repassed by two thirds of the Senate
    and House of Representatives, according to the rules and limitations
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    Section 8. The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes,
    duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common
    defense and general welfare of the United States; but all duties,
    imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

    To borrow money on the credit of the United States;

    To regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several states,
    and with the Indian tribes;

    To establish a uniform rule of naturalization, and uniform laws on the
    subject of bankruptcies throughout the United States;

    To coin money, regulate the value thereof, and of foreign coin, and fix
    the standard of weights and measures;

    To provide for the punishment of counterfeiting the securities and
    current coin of the United States;

    To establish post offices and post roads;

    To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for
    limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their
    respective writings and discoveries;

    To constitute tribunals inferior to the Supreme Court;

    To define and punish piracies and felonies committed on the high seas,
    and offenses against the law of nations;

    To declare war, grant letters of marque and reprisal, and make rules
    concerning captures on land and water;

    To raise and support armies, but no appropriation of money to that use
    shall be for a longer term than two years;

    To provide and maintain a navy;

    To make rules for the government and regulation of the land and naval
    forces;

    To provide for calling forth the militia to execute the laws of the
    union, suppress insurrections and repel invasions;

    To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the militia, and
    for governing such part of them as may be employed in the service of the
    United States, reserving to the states respectively, the appointment of
    the officers, and the authority of training the militia according to the
    discipline prescribed by Congress;

    To exercise exclusive legislation in all cases whatsoever, over such
    District (not exceeding ten miles square) as may, by cession of
    particular states, and the acceptance of Congress, become the seat of
    the government of the United States, and to exercise like authority over
    all places purchased by the consent of the legislature of the state in
    which the same shall be, for the erection of forts, magazines, arsenals,
    dockyards, and other needful buildings;--And

    To make all laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into
    execution the foregoing powers, and all other powers vested by this
    Constitution in the government of the United States, or in any
    department or officer thereof.

    Section 9. The migration or importation of such persons as any of the
    states now existing shall think proper to admit, shall not be prohibited
    by the Congress prior to the year one thousand eight hundred and eight,
    but a tax or duty may be imposed on such importation, not exceeding ten
    dollars for each person.

    The privilege of the writ of habeas corpus shall not be suspended,
    unless when in cases of rebellion or invasion the public safety may
    require it.

    No bill of attainder or ex post facto Law shall be passed.

    No capitation, or other direct, tax shall be laid, unless in proportion
    to the census or enumeration herein before directed to be taken.

    No tax or duty shall be laid on articles exported from any state.

    No preference shall be given by any regulation of commerce or revenue to
    the ports of one state over those of another: nor shall vessels bound
    to, or from, one state, be obliged to enter, clear or pay duties in
    another.

    No money shall be drawn from the treasury, but in consequence of
    appropriations made by law; and a regular statement and account of
    receipts and expenditures of all public money shall be published from
    time to time.

    No title of nobility shall be granted by the United States: and no
    person holding any office of profit or trust under them, shall, without
    the consent of the Congress, accept of any present, emolument, office,
    or title, of any kind whatever, from any king, prince, or foreign state.

    Section 10. No state shall enter into any treaty, alliance, or
    confederation; grant letters of marque and reprisal; coin money; emit
    bills of credit; make anything but gold and silver coin a tender in
    payment of debts; pass any bill of attainder, ex post facto law, or law
    impairing the obligation of contracts, or grant any title of nobility.

    No state shall, without the consent of the Congress, lay any imposts or
    duties on imports or exports, except what may be absolutely necessary
    for executing it's inspection laws: and the net produce of all duties
    and imposts, laid by any state on imports or exports, shall be for the
    use of the treasury of the United States; and all such laws shall be
    subject to the revision and control of the Congress.

    No state shall, without the consent of Congress, lay any duty of
    tonnage, keep troops, or ships of war in time of peace, enter into any
    agreement or compact with another state, or with a foreign power, or
    engage in war, unless actually invaded, or in such imminent danger as
    will not admit of delay.

    Article II

    Section 1. The executive power shall be vested in a President of the
    United States of America. He shall hold his office during the term of
    four years, and, together with the Vice President, chosen for the same
    term, be elected, as follows:

    Each state shall appoint, in such manner as the Legislature thereof may
    direct, a number of electors, equal to the whole number of Senators and
    Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but
    no Senator or Representative, or person holding an office of trust or
    profit under the United States, shall be appointed an elector.

    The electors shall meet in their respective states, and vote by ballot
    for two persons, of whom one at least shall not be an inhabitant of the
    same state with themselves. And they shall make a list of all the
    persons voted for, and of the number of votes for each; which list they
    shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the seat of the
    government of the United States, directed to the President of the
    Senate. The President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate
    and House of Representatives, open all the certificates, and the votes
    shall then be counted. The person having the greatest number of votes
    shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number
    of electors appointed; and if there be more than one who have such
    majority, and have an equal number of votes, then the House of
    Representatives shall immediately choose by ballot one of them for
    President; and if no person have a majority, then from the five highest
    on the list the said House shall in like manner choose the President.
    But in choosing the President, the votes shall be taken by States, the
    representation from each state having one vote; A quorum for this
    purpose shall consist of a member or members from two thirds of the
    states, and a majority of all the states shall be necessary to a choice.
    In every case, after the choice of the President, the person having the
    greatest number of votes of the electors shall be the Vice President.
    But if there should remain two or more who have equal votes, the Senate
    shall choose from them by ballot the Vice President.

    The Congress may determine the time of choosing the electors, and the
    day on which they shall give their votes; which day shall be the same
    throughout the United States.

    No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United
    States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be
    eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be
    eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty
    five years, and been fourteen Years a resident within the United States.

    In case of the removal of the President from office, or of his death,
    resignation, or inability to discharge the powers and duties of the said
    office, the same shall devolve on the Vice President, and the Congress
    may by law provide for the case of removal, death, resignation or
    inability, both of the President and Vice President, declaring what
    officer shall then act as President, and such officer shall act
    accordingly, until the disability be removed, or a President shall be
    elected.

    The President shall, at stated times, receive for his services, a
    compensation, which shall neither be increased nor diminished during the
    period for which he shall have been elected, and he shall not receive
    within that period any other emolument from the United States, or any of
    them.

    Before he enter on the execution of his office, he shall take the
    following oath or affirmation:--"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I
    will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States,
    and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the
    Constitution of the United States."

    Section 2. The President shall be commander in chief of the Army and
    Navy of the United States, and of the militia of the several states,
    when called into the actual service of the United States; he may require
    the opinion, in writing, of the principal officer in each of the
    executive departments, upon any subject relating to the duties of their
    respective offices, and he shall have power to grant reprieves and
    pardons for offenses against the United States, except in cases of
    impeachment.

    He shall have power, by and with the advice and consent of the Senate,
    to make treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur;
    and he shall nominate, and by and with the advice and consent of the
    Senate, shall appoint ambassadors, other public ministers and consuls,
    judges of the Supreme Court, and all other officers of the United
    States, whose appointments are not herein otherwise provided for, and
    which shall be established by law: but the Congress may by law vest the
    appointment of such inferior officers, as they think proper, in the
    President alone, in the courts of law, or in the heads of departments.

    The President shall have power to fill up all vacancies that may happen
    during the recess of the Senate, by granting commissions which shall
    expire at the end of their next session.

    Section 3. He shall from time to time give to the Congress information
    of the state of the union, and recommend to their consideration such
    measures as he shall judge necessary and expedient; he may, on
    extraordinary occasions, convene both Houses, or either of them, and in
    case of disagreement between them, with respect to the time of
    adjournment, he may adjourn them to such time as he shall think proper;
    he shall receive ambassadors and other public ministers; he shall take
    care that the laws be faithfully executed, and shall commission all the
    officers of the United States.

    Section 4. The President, Vice President and all civil officers of the
    United States, shall be removed from office on impeachment for, and
    conviction of, treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors.

    Article III

    Section 1. The judicial power of the United States, shall be vested in
    one Supreme Court, and in such inferior courts as the Congress may from
    time to time ordain and establish. The judges, both of the supreme and
    inferior courts, shall hold their offices during good behaviour, and
    shall, at stated times, receive for their services, a compensation,
    which shall not be diminished during their continuance in office.

    Section 2. The judicial power shall extend to all cases, in law and
    equity, arising under this Constitution, the laws of the United States,
    and treaties made, or which shall be made, under their authority;--to
    all cases affecting ambassadors, other public ministers and consuls;--to
    all cases of admiralty and maritime jurisdiction;--to controversies to
    which the United States shall be a party;--to controversies between two
    or more states;--between a state and citizens of another state;--between
    citizens of different states;--between citizens of the same state
    claiming lands under grants of different states, and between a state, or
    the citizens thereof, and foreign states, citizens or subjects.

    In all cases affecting ambassadors, other public ministers and consuls,
    and those in which a state shall be party, the Supreme Court shall have
    original jurisdiction. In all the other cases before mentioned, the
    Supreme Court shall have appellate jurisdiction, both as to law and
    fact, with such exceptions, and under such regulations as the Congress
    shall make.

    The trial of all crimes, except in cases of impeachment, shall be by
    jury; and such trial shall be held in the state where the said crimes
    shall have been committed; but when not committed within any state, the
    trial shall be at such place or places as the Congress may by law have
    directed.

    Section 3. Treason against the United States, shall consist only in
    levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them
    aid and comfort. No person shall be convicted of treason unless on the
    testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in
    open court.

    The Congress shall have power to declare the punishment of treason, but
    no attainder of treason shall work corruption of blood, or forfeiture
    except during the life of the person attainted.

    Article IV

    Section 1. Full faith and credit shall be given in each state to the
    public acts, records, and judicial proceedings of every other state. And
    the Congress may by general laws prescribe the manner in which such
    acts, records, and proceedings shall be proved, and the effect thereof.

    Section 2. The citizens of each state shall be entitled to all
    privileges and immunities of citizens in the several states.

    A person charged in any state with treason, felony, or other crime, who
    shall flee from justice, and be found in another state, shall on demand
    of the executive authority of the state from which he fled, be delivered
    up, to be removed to the state having jurisdiction of the crime.

    No person held to service or labor in one state, under the laws thereof,
    escaping into another, shall, in consequence of any law or regulation
    therein, be discharged from such service or labor, but shall be
    delivered up on claim of the party to whom such service or labor may be
    due.

    Section 3. New states may be admitted by the Congress into this union;
    but no new states shall be formed or erected within the jurisdiction of
    any other state; nor any state be formed by the junction of two or more
    states, or parts of states, without the consent of the legislatures of
    the states concerned as well as of the Congress.

    The Congress shall have power to dispose of and make all needful rules
    and regulations respecting the territory or other property belonging to
    the United States; and nothing in this Constitution shall be so
    construed as to prejudice any claims of the United States, or of any
    particular state.

    Section 4. The United States shall guarantee to every state in this
    union a republican form of government, and shall protect each of them
    against invasion; and on application of the legislature, or of the
    executive (when the legislature cannot be convened) against domestic
    violence.

    Article V

    The Congress, whenever two thirds of both houses shall deem it
    necessary, shall propose amendments to this Constitution, or, on the
    application of the legislatures of two thirds of the several states,
    shall call a convention for proposing amendments, which, in either case,
    shall be valid to all intents and purposes, as part of this
    Constitution, when ratified by the legislatures of three fourths of the
    several states, or by conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one
    or the other mode of ratification may be proposed by the Congress;
    provided that no amendment which may be made prior to the year one
    thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any manner affect the first
    and fourth clauses in the ninth section of the first article; and that
    no state, without its consent, shall be deprived of its equal suffrage
    in the Senate.

    Article VI

    All debts contracted and engagements entered into, before the adoption
    of this Constitution, shall be as valid against the United States under
    this Constitution, as under the Confederation.

    This Constitution, and the laws of the United States which shall be made
    in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made,
    under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of
    the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything
    in the Constitution or laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding.

    The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the members of
    the several state legislatures, and all executive and judicial officers,
    both of the United States and of the several states, shall be bound by
    oath or affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious test
    shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust
    under the United States.

    Article VII

    The ratification of the conventions of nine states, shall be sufficient
    for the establishment of this Constitution between the states so
    ratifying the same.

    Done in convention by the unanimous consent of the states present the
    seventeenth day of September in the year of our Lord one thousand seven
    hundred and eighty seven and of the independence of the United States of
    America the twelfth.

    In witness whereof We have hereunto subscribed our Names,

    G. Washington-Presidt. and deputy from Virginia

    New Hampshire: John Langdon, Nicholas Gilman

    Massachusetts: Nathaniel Gorham, Rufus King

    Connecticut: Wm: Saml. Johnson, Roger Sherman

    New York: Alexander Hamilton

    New Jersey: Wil: Livingston, David Brearly, Wm. Paterson, Jona: Dayton

    Pennsylvania: B. Franklin, Thomas Mifflin, Robt. Morris, Geo. Clymer,
    Thos. FitzSimons, Jared Ingersoll, James Wilson, Gouv Morris

    Delaware: Geo: Read, Gunning Bedford jun, John Dickinson, Richard
    Bassett, Jaco: Broom

    Maryland: James McHenry, Dan of St Thos. Jenifer, Danl Carroll

    Virginia: John Blair--, James Madison Jr.

    North Carolina: Wm. Blount, Richd. Dobbs Spaight, Hu Williamson

    South Carolina: J. Rutledge, Charles Cotesworth Pinckney, Charles
    Pinckney, Pierce Butler

    Georgia: William Few, Abr Baldwin

    Bill of Rights

    Amendment I

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or
    prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of
    speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to
    assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

    Amendment II

    A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free
    state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be
    infringed.

    Amendment III

    No soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without
    the consent of the owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be
    prescribed by law.

    Amendment IV

    The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers,
    and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be
    violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause,
    supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place
    to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

    Amendment V

    No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous
    crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in
    cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in
    actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be
    subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or
    limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness
    against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without
    due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use,
    without just compensation.

    Amendment VI

    In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a
    speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the state and district
    wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have
    been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and
    cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against
    him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor,
    and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense.

    Amendment VII

    In suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed
    twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no
    fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise reexamined in any court of the
    United States, than according to the rules of the common law.

    Amendment VIII

    Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor
    cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

    Amendment IX

    The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be
    construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

    Amendment X

    The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor
    prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively,
    or to the people.

    Amendment XI

    The judicial power of the United States shall not be construed to extend
    to any suit in law or equity, commenced or prosecuted against one of the
    United States by citizens of another state, or by citizens or subjects
    of any foreign state.

    Amendment XII

    The electors shall meet in their respective states and vote by ballot
    for President and Vice-President, one of whom, at least, shall not be an
    inhabitant of the same state with themselves; they shall name in their
    ballots the person voted for as President, and in distinct ballots the
    person voted for as Vice-President, and they shall make distinct lists
    of all persons voted for as President, and of all persons voted for as
    Vice-President, and of the number of votes for each, which lists they
    shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the seat of the
    government of the United States, directed to the President of the
    Senate;--The President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the
    Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates and the
    votes shall then be counted;--the person having the greatest number of
    votes for President, shall be the President, if such number be a
    majority of the whole number of electors appointed; and if no person
    have such majority, then from the persons having the highest numbers not
    exceeding three on the list of those voted for as President, the House
    of Representatives shall choose immediately, by ballot, the President.
    But in choosing the President, the votes shall be taken by states, the
    representation from each state having one vote; a quorum for this
    purpose shall consist of a member or members from two-thirds of the
    states, and a majority of all the states shall be necessary to a choice.
    And if the House of Representatives shall not choose a President
    whenever the right of choice shall devolve upon them, before the fourth
    day of March next following, then the Vice-President shall act as
    President, as in the case of the death or other constitutional
    disability of the President. The person having the greatest number of
    votes as Vice-President, shall be the Vice-President, if such number be
    a majority of the whole number of electors appointed, and if no person
    have a majority, then from the two highest numbers on the list, the
    Senate shall choose the Vice-President; a quorum for the purpose shall
    consist of two-thirds of the whole number of Senators, and a majority of
    the whole number shall be necessary to a choice. But no person
    constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible
    to that of Vice-President of the United States.

    Amendment XIII

    Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a
    punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted,
    shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their
    jurisdiction.

    Section 2. Congress shall have power to enforce this article by
    appropriate legislation.

    Amendment XIV

    Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and
    subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States
    and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any
    law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
    United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty,
    or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within
    its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

    Section 2. Representatives shall be apportioned among the several states
    according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of
    persons in each state, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right
    to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and
    Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the
    executive and judicial officers of a state, or the members of the
    legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such
    state, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States,
    or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other
    crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the
    proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the
    whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such state.

    Section 3. No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress,
    or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or
    military, under the United States, or under any state, who, having
    previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of
    the United States, or as a member of any state legislature, or as an
    executive or judicial officer of any state, to support the Constitution
    of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion
    against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But
    Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such
    disability.

    Section 4. The validity of the public debt of the United States,
    authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and
    bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall
    not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any state shall
    assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or
    rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or
    emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims
    shall be held illegal and void.

    Section 5. The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate
    legislation, the provisions of this article.

    Amendment XV

    Section 1. The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not
    be denied or abridged by the United States or by any state on account of
    race, color, or previous condition of servitude.

    Section 2. The Congress shall have power to enforce this article by
    appropriate legislation.

    Amendment XVI

    The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from
    whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several states,
    and without regard to any census or enumeration.

    Amendment XVII

    The Senate of the United States shall be composed of two Senators from
    each state, elected by the people thereof, for six years; and each
    Senator shall have one vote. The electors in each state shall have the
    qualifications requisite for electors of the most numerous branch of the
    state legislatures.

    When vacancies happen in the representation of any state in the Senate,
    the executive authority of such state shall issue writs of election to
    fill such vacancies: Provided, that the legislature of any state may
    empower the executive thereof to make temporary appointments until the
    people fill the vacancies by election as the legislature may direct.

    This amendment shall not be so construed as to affect the election or
    term of any Senator chosen before it becomes valid as part of the
    Constitution.

    Amendment XVIII

    Section 1. After one year from the ratification of this article the
    manufacture, sale, or transportation of intoxicating liquors within, the
    importation thereof into, or the exportation thereof from the United
    States and all territory subject to the jurisdiction thereof for
    beverage purposes is hereby prohibited.

    Section 2. The Congress and the several states shall have concurrent
    power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

    Section 3. This article shall be inoperative unless it shall have been
    ratified as an amendment to the Constitution by the legislatures of the
    several states, as provided in the Constitution, within seven years from
    the date of the submission hereof to the states by the Congress.

    Amendment XIX

    The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied
    or abridged by the United States or by any state on account of sex.

    Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate
    legislation.

    Amendment XX

    Section 1. The terms of the President and Vice President shall end at
    noon on the 20th day of January, and the terms of Senators and
    Representatives at noon on the 3d day of January, of the years in which
    such terms would have ended if this article had not been ratified; and
    the terms of their successors shall then begin.

    Section 2. The Congress shall assemble at least once in every year, and
    such meeting shall begin at noon on the 3d day of January, unless they
    shall by law appoint a different day.

    Section 3. If, at the time fixed for the beginning of the term of the
    President, the President elect shall have died, the Vice President elect
    shall become President. If a President shall not have been chosen before
    the time fixed for the beginning of his term, or if the President elect
    shall have failed to qualify, then the Vice President elect shall act as
    President until a President shall have qualified; and the Congress may
    by law provide for the case wherein neither a President elect nor a Vice
    President elect shall have qualified, declaring who shall then act as
    President, or the manner in which one who is to act shall be selected,
    and such person shall act accordingly until a President or Vice
    President shall have qualified.

    Section 4. The Congress may by law provide for the case of the death of
    any of the persons from whom the House of Representatives may choose a
    President whenever the right of choice shall have devolved upon them,
    and for the case of the death of any of the persons from whom the Senate
    may choose a Vice President whenever the right of choice shall have
    devolved upon them.

    Section 5. Sections 1 and 2 shall take effect on the 15th day of October
    following the ratification of this article.

    Section 6. This article shall be inoperative unless it shall have been
    ratified as an amendment to the Constitution by the legislatures of
    three-fourths of the several states within seven years from the date of
    its submission.

    Amendment XXI

    Section 1. The eighteenth article of amendment to the Constitution of
    the United States is hereby repealed.

    Section 2. The transportation or importation into any state, territory,
    or possession of the United States for delivery or use therein of
    intoxicating liquors, in violation of the laws thereof, is hereby
    prohibited.

    Section 3. This article shall be inoperative unless it shall have been
    ratified as an amendment to the Constitution by conventions in the
    several states, as provided in the Constitution, within seven years from
    the date of the submission hereof to the states by the Congress.

    Amendment XXII

    Section 1. No person shall be elected to the office of the President
    more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or
    acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some
    other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the
    President more than once. But this article shall not apply to any person
    holding the office of President when this article was proposed by the
    Congress, and shall not prevent any person who may be holding the office
    of President, or acting as President, during the term within which this
    article becomes operative from holding the office of President or acting
    as President during the remainder of such term.

    Section 2. This article shall be inoperative unless it shall have been
    ratified as an amendment to the Constitution by the legislatures of
    three-fourths of the several states within seven years from the date of
    its submission to the states by the Congress.

    Amendment XXIII

    Section 1. The District constituting the seat of government of the
    United States shall appoint in such manner as the Congress may direct:

    A number of electors of President and Vice President equal to the whole
    number of Senators and Representatives in Congress to which the District
    would be entitled if it were a state, but in no event more than the
    least populous state; they shall be in addition to those appointed by
    the states, but they shall be considered, for the purposes of the
    election of President and Vice President, to be electors appointed by a
    state; and they shall meet in the District and perform such duties as
    provided by the twelfth article of amendment.

    Section 2. The Congress shall have power to enforce this article by
    appropriate legislation.

    Amendment XXIV

    Section 1. The right of citizens of the United States to vote in any
    primary or other election for President or Vice President, for electors
    for President or Vice President, or for Senator or Representative in
    Congress, shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or any
    state by reason of failure to pay any poll tax or other tax.

    Section 2. The Congress shall have power to enforce this article by
    appropriate legislation.

    Amendment XXV

    Section 1. In case of the removal of the President from office or of his
    death or resignation, the Vice President shall become President.

    Section 2. Whenever there is a vacancy in the office of the Vice
    President, the President shall nominate a Vice President who shall take
    office upon confirmation by a majority vote of both Houses of Congress.

    Section 3. Whenever the President transmits to the President pro tempore
    of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives his
    written declaration that he is unable to discharge the powers and duties
    of his office, and until he transmits to them a written declaration to
    the contrary, such powers and duties shall be discharged by the Vice
    President as Acting President.

    Section 4. Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the
    principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as
    Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of
    the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written
    declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and
    duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the
    powers and duties of the office as Acting President.

    Thereafter, when the President transmits to the President pro tempore of
    the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives his written
    declaration that no inability exists, he shall resume the powers and
    duties of his office unless the Vice President and a majority of either
    the principal officers of the executive department or of such other body
    as Congress may by law provide, transmit within four days to the
    President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of
    Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable
    to discharge the powers and duties of his office. Thereupon Congress
    shall decide the issue, assembling within forty-eight hours for that
    purpose if not in session. If the Congress, within twenty-one days after
    receipt of the latter written declaration, or, if Congress is not in
    session, within twenty-one days after Congress is required to assemble,
    determines by two-thirds vote of both Houses that the President is
    unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice
    President shall continue to discharge the same as Acting President;
    otherwise, the President shall resume the powers and duties of his
    office.

    Amendment XXVI

    Section 1. The right of citizens of the United States, who are 18 years
    of age or older, to vote, shall not be denied or abridged by the United
    States or any state on account of age.

    Section 2. The Congress shall have the power to enforce this article by
    appropriate legislation.

    Amendment XXVII

    No law, varying the compensation for the services of the Senators and
    Representatives, shall take effect, until an election of Representatives
    shall have intervened.
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    On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 09:48:54 +0200, Giusi <[email hidden]> wrote:

    > I still don't want to live where
    >arming myself is more important than whether my shoes are cute.
    >
    >I know how to shoot, I once owned guns, I never wanted to kill anything
    >with a gun. I don't miss them one single bit. I go to the ATM at
    >midnight and then walk through town to the parking lot outside the
    >walls, and although there are a few thieves around, there are also
    >decent citizens who see me as I pass and would help me if I needed help.
    > They are not in danger of being shot for it, because almost no one has
    >a gun, including most police.

    And where is this that no bad guy has a gun?
    And that the cuteness of your shoes outweigh you life?

    The police being unarmed leads me to believe it's Britain.

    Last I heard that was a thing of the past and the police were now armed
    because the criminals were still armed despite the absurd anti gun laws.
    Just further proof that anti gun laws accomplish nothing but increasing
    the pool of victims.

    I wasn't sure if they went armed yet. I don't really keep abreast of
    that situtation but yes, I do read of many more violent crimes in
    Britain.

    I also see they're becoming a surveillance society. That part scares the
    [censored] out of me.

  17. In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden]
    says...

    Quoted message said:


    "Pete C." <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    The police being unarmed leads me to believe it's Britain.

    Last I heard that was a thing of the past and the police were now armed
    because the criminals were still armed despite the absurd anti gun laws.
    Just further proof that anti gun laws accomplish nothing but increasing
    the pool of victims.

    In Britain we have no regularly armed police. We do however have armed
    units which can be called in when needed. We don't have enough though and
    there is talk of having to have foreign armed police for the Olympics

    Oh that will be fun. Nothing like a language barrier to ensure there'll
    be at least one Charlie Foxtrot.

  18. In article <[email hidden]>,
    [email hidden] says...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Pete C. said:
    Omelet said:


    In article <[email hidden]>,
    "Pete C." <[email hidden]> wrote:

    > T wrote:
    > >
    > > In article <[email hidden]>,
    > > [email hidden] says...
    > > > On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 09:48:54 +0200, Giusi <[email hidden]> wrote:
    > > >
    > > > > I still don't want to live where
    > > > >arming myself is more important than whether my shoes are cute.
    > > > >
    > > > >I know how to shoot, I once owned guns, I never wanted to kill
    > > > >anything
    > > > >with a gun. I don't miss them one single bit. I go to the ATM at
    > > > >midnight and then walk through town to the parking lot outside the
    > > > >walls, and although there are a few thieves around, there are also
    > > > >decent citizens who see me as I pass and would help me if I needed
    > > > >help.
    > > > > They are not in danger of being shot for it, because almost no one
    > > > > has
    > > > >a gun, including most police.
    > > >
    > > > And where is this that no bad guy has a gun?
    > > > And that the cuteness of your shoes outweigh you life?
    > > >
    > >
    > > The police being unarmed leads me to believe it's Britain.
    >
    > Last I heard that was a thing of the past and the police were now armed
    > because the criminals were still armed despite the absurd anti gun laws.
    > Just further proof that anti gun laws accomplish nothing but increasing
    > the pool of victims.

    I would not say it increased the victim pool, but it does decrease one's
    ability to defend one's self. There are not enough police to be
    everywhere at once.

    Ah, but that's ok, they have video cameras... video cameras will allow
    the police to be everywhere at once and protect the poor defenseless
    citizens...

    In a perfect world...

    You know that Chicago is planning to install city wide video cameras?
    Sounds like a pork barrel project to me.

    Rhode Island and the city of Providence are taking a different approach.
    There are more traffic cameras than anything else.

    It's funny, a couple years back they ran a story in the local rag about
    Nestor, Inc. and their traffic monitoring system. They wrote software
    that could watch the flow of traffic and pass warnings along when it
    slowed down.

    At the time I said they could nab speeders using that system. And sure
    enough Nestor is now talking about doing just that.

    Here it's all about revenue.

  19. In article <[email hidden]>,
    [email hidden] says...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    T said:
    Quoted message said:

    > Speaking of which, email me for a joost invite. Then once you install it
    > go to the Brain Dead TV channel and view Cops Uncut Ep. 1 - go to the
    > last third or so.

    Just remove the nospam I presume?

    Invite has been sent. Have fun!

    Thanks.

    I'll check the g-mail in a bit.

    Do you need a g-mail invite?
    I have 50 of them.

    Nah, already have a gmail account. Thanks though.

  20. Omelet said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Dee Dee said:

    Somewhere I've read (is it in the consitution?) that it is not the
    duty of the police to protect its citizens. Someone who knows could
    clarify where this is written; but I'm sure there are too many
    opinions that this is not the case.

    Quoted message said:

    Dee Dee

    Not sure if it is or not. I've only read thru it once, but I just happen
    to have the entire thing on file. IMHO, everybody should read the whole
    thing at least once. :-)

    Quoted message said:

    --
    Peace, Om

    Searching, I don't see anything like that. But what I'm referring to
    is that "the police are there to enforce the laws, and not to protect
    the citizens." At any rate, I'm not counting on 'it.'
    Dee Dee

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