Re: WHY???

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> On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 09:48:54 +0200, Giusi <[email hidden]> wrote:
>
> > I still don't want to live where
> >arming myself is more important than whether my shoes are cute.
> >
> >I know how to shoot, I once owned guns, I never wanted to kill
> >anything
> >with a gun. I don't miss them one single bit. I go to the ATM at
> >midnight and then walk through town to the parking lot outside the
> >walls, and although there are a few thieves around, there are also
> >decent citizens who see me as I pass and would help me if I needed
> >help.
> > They are not in danger of being shot for it, because almost no one
> > has
> >a gun, including most police.
>
> And where is this that no bad guy has a gun?
> And that the cuteness of your shoes outweigh you life?
>

The police being unarmed leads me to believe it's Britain.

Last I heard that was a thing of the past and the police were now armed
because the criminals were still armed despite the absurd anti gun laws.
Just further proof that anti gun laws accomplish nothing but increasing
the pool of victims.

I wasn't sure if they went armed yet. I don't really keep abreast of
that situtation but yes, I do read of many more violent crimes in
Britain.

I also see they're becoming a surveillance society. That part scares the
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So, would you rather be an armed society or a supervised society?
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"Pete C." <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> The police being unarmed leads me to believe it's Britain.

Last I heard that was a thing of the past and the police were now armed
because the criminals were still armed despite the absurd anti gun laws.
Just further proof that anti gun laws accomplish nothing but increasing
the pool of victims.

In Britain we have no regularly armed police. We do however have armed
units which can be called in when needed. We don't have enough though and
there is talk of having to have foreign armed police for the Olympics

Oh that will be fun. Nothing like a language barrier to ensure there'll
be at least one Charlie Foxtrot.

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Okay, and WTF is that pray tell?
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T said:

Rhode Island and the city of Providence are taking a different approach.
There are more traffic cameras than anything else.

It's funny, a couple years back they ran a story in the local rag about
Nestor, Inc. and their traffic monitoring system. They wrote software
that could watch the flow of traffic and pass warnings along when it
slowed down.

At the time I said they could nab speeders using that system. And sure
enough Nestor is now talking about doing just that.

Here it's all about revenue.

So what else is new? ;-)
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> > Speaking of which, email me for a joost invite. Then once you install
> > it
> > go to the Brain Dead TV channel and view Cops Uncut Ep. 1 - go to the
> > last third or so.
>
> Just remove the nospam I presume?
>

Invite has been sent. Have fun!

Thanks.

I'll check the g-mail in a bit.

Do you need a g-mail invite?
I have 50 of them.

Nah, already have a gmail account. Thanks though.

I'm surprised you don't use it here. :-)

I use it exclusively for usenet.
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Dee Dee said:

Omelet said:

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Dee Dee said:

Somewhere I've read (is it in the consitution?) that it is not the
duty of the police to protect its citizens. Someone who knows could
clarify where this is written; but I'm sure there are too many
opinions that this is not the case.

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Dee Dee

Not sure if it is or not. I've only read thru it once, but I just happen
to have the entire thing on file. IMHO, everybody should read the whole
thing at least once. :-)

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Searching, I don't see anything like that. But what I'm referring to
is that "the police are there to enforce the laws, and not to protect
the citizens." At any rate, I'm not counting on 'it.'
Dee Dee

I don't think you are going to find that in the constitution.
IIRC, that was a supreme court ruling.

I'd have to do some serious googling to find it but it's occasionally
discussed on the gun lists. I could ask someone there.

I'll refrain from crossposting to tx.guns, tempting as it is. <G>
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Omelet said:

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"Pete C." <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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>> The police being unarmed leads me to believe it's Britain.
>
> Last I heard that was a thing of the past and the police were now armed
> because the criminals were still armed despite the absurd anti gun laws.
> Just further proof that anti gun laws accomplish nothing but increasing
> the pool of victims.

In Britain we have no regularly armed police. We do however have armed
units which can be called in when needed. We don't have enough though and
there is talk of having to have foreign armed police for the Olympics

Oh that will be fun. Nothing like a language barrier to ensure there'll
be at least one Charlie Foxtrot.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Okay, and WTF is that pray tell?

It's a phonetic alphabet abbreviation for a "cluster f***".

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The English language lacks a plural You.

That would be "You all", or in some places "Y'all".

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In news:[email hidden] Michel Boucher

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The English language lacks a plural You.

That would be "You all", or in some places "Y'all".

I don't know how many times I have to explain this, it's
"Youns" ... got it?

nancy

"Ophelia" <[email hidden]> scripsit in news:f4h21g$d6o$1
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The English language lacks a plural You.

Quite so! Although in Scotland they use 'yous' 🙂

And here as well, and in Noo Yawk. Youze. It may well be that youze
is part of English spoken by Q-Celtic peoples.

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search for a superior moral justification for
selfishness." -- John Kenneth Galbraith

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I have to live in the world where I live.

You could try to not pass off *your* choices as de rigueur and
anyone else's as foolisdh for not abiding by *your* choices. You
can also choose to live elsewhere if you find the situation
difficult. Or are you a prisoner in your own country?

You could learn from your own advice dear. ;-)

Well, your choice involves risking the lives of others. Mine does
not.

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I'd prefer to keep my guns thank you.
I NEED them here.

And I'm not afraid to take responsibility for my own safety.
I'm not a coward.

Of course, if you didn't have to, you wouldn't be a coward either. A
coward is defined as:

"born in Teddington, Middlesex to a middle-class family, the second
of a family of three sons..."

No wait, that's Noël Coward.

A coward is defined as someone who runs (from the French verb courir,
un couart), unless of course, it's the smart thing to do.

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I'm happy. Are you?

That's not what you were suggesting when you said you HAD to live
where you do (quoted above). It doesn't sound like a choice you made
to live there and you MUST know there are places on the planet that
are NOT like that.

And as far as being happy, well, I'm not on the issue of gun
ownership or our current gummint's redneck attitude towards gun
control, that's fersure.

Otherwise, I don't live in a country plagued by crime (created by the
"right to bear arms"😉, and I feel no need to carry a gun...I never
have. Wouldn't you prefer to live somewhere where you didn't have to
carry a gun...ever?

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oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the
search for a superior moral justification for
selfishness." -- John Kenneth Galbraith

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The English language lacks a plural You.

That would be "You all", or in some places "Y'all".

Youze, where I live.

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oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the
search for a superior moral justification for
selfishness." -- John Kenneth Galbraith

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Pete C. said:

Omelet said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

T said:

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden]
says...
>
> "Pete C." <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> news:[email hidden]...
> >> The police being unarmed leads me to believe it's Britain.
> >
> > Last I heard that was a thing of the past and the police were now
> > armed
> > because the criminals were still armed despite the absurd anti gun
> > laws.
> > Just further proof that anti gun laws accomplish nothing but
> > increasing
> > the pool of victims.
>
> In Britain we have no regularly armed police. We do however have armed
> units which can be called in when needed. We don't have enough though
> and
> there is talk of having to have foreign armed police for the Olympics
>
>
>

Oh that will be fun. Nothing like a language barrier to ensure there'll
be at least one Charlie Foxtrot.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Okay, and WTF is that pray tell?

It's a phonetic alphabet abbreviation for a "cluster f***".

Oh. Kinda like Fubar? <G>
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Michel Boucher said:

Otherwise, I don't live in a country plagued by crime (created by the
"right to bear arms"😉, and I feel no need to carry a gun...I never
have. Wouldn't you prefer to live somewhere where you didn't have to
carry a gun...ever?

I don't think that such a place exists.
Not even where you are...

You DID say that there were still criminals?
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Otherwise, I don't live in a country plagued by crime (created by
the "right to bear arms"😉, and I feel no need to carry a gun...I
never have. Wouldn't you prefer to live somewhere where you
didn't have to carry a gun...ever?

I don't think that such a place exists.
Not even where you are...

Well, obviously, you've decided that arguments are pointless. Of
course there are places like that. The fact that there are criminals
does not mean you HAVE to be armed. Criminals are not all violent and
in Canada the appropriate level of violence does not include bodily
harm anyway, so guns are completely out of the question, at least as
personal gear.

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"The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's
oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the
search for a superior moral justification for
selfishness." -- John Kenneth Galbraith

Nancy Young said:

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It is a good idea when having roofing done to take photos of the roofers.
When your house gets burgled a few weeks later you can give the police the
pictures of the likely suspects.

Do they think people with recent roofing work are better
burglary opportunities?

I suspect that it is some sort of feeling of entitlement or ownership. They
worked on the place and think it owes them something. While there are good
roofers out there, a lot of them are rather sleazy and the people they are
are often criminals who could be casing the place for a return visit.

One of my co-workers paid a quite a bit extra for a roofing jon to make
sure he would not have to worry about the wrong type of people working on
his house. He was upset when the guy he hired subcontracted the job to one
that he would not have hired. Three weeks after the roof was done there
was a burglary.

Michel Boucher said:

Omelet <[email hidden]> scripsit innews:[email hidden]:

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Otherwise, I don't live in a country plagued by crime (created by
the "right to bear arms"😉, and I feel no need to carry a gun...I
never have. Wouldn't you prefer to live somewhere where you
didn't have to carry a gun...ever?

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I don't think that such a place exists.
Not even where you are...

Well, obviously, you've decided that arguments are pointless. Of
course there are places like that. The fact that there are criminals
does not mean you HAVE to be armed. Criminals are not all violent and
in Canada the appropriate level of violence does not include bodily
harm anyway, so guns are completely out of the question, at least as
personal gear.

http://www.benbest.com/lifeext/murder.html#usa
in the late 1990's
Canada is not listed as one of the ten safest countries to live in
with regard to murder rates.

Dee Dee

Michel Boucher said:

Omelet <[email hidden]> scripsit in
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Otherwise, I don't live in a country plagued by crime (created by
the "right to bear arms"😉, and I feel no need to carry a gun...I
never have. Wouldn't you prefer to live somewhere where you
didn't have to carry a gun...ever?

I don't think that such a place exists.
Not even where you are...

Well, obviously, you've decided that arguments are pointless. Of
course there are places like that. The fact that there are criminals
does not mean you HAVE to be armed. Criminals are not all violent and
in Canada the appropriate level of violence does not include bodily
harm anyway, so guns are completely out of the question, at least as
personal gear.

Closed minds do not hear.

I can remember living in fear for brief periods after prison breaks when
the escapees had been tracked near my farm. It is not a good way to
live-- armed or unarmed. I would do something about the society that
engenders such fear rather than declare everyone must go out only
accompanied and only armed. Children reared amid violence sometimes
choose it later on and I believe we should try harder to keep kids out
of violent homes, censor the amount of violence they see through the
media and have a look at why some of us think it's a life if it is lived
with constant adrenalin of fear.

My world is not like that. It never was other than the briefest
periods. It isn't the way were were intended to live. Any society that
lives in and with such a terrible ethic is very sick.

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Pete C. said:

jmcquown said:

Omelet said:

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"jmcquown" <[email hidden]> wrote:

> Omelet wrote:
>> In article <[email hidden]>,
>> "Ophelia" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>
>>> Anyone carrying a knife or pepper spray will find themselve in
>>> trouble fast!!!
>>
>> Pepper spray is outlawed too???
>>
>> Yeesh!
>>
> Sort of OB Food: Is it legal to carry an open bottle of Tabasco
> sauce (or worse, Thai pepper sauce) in your hand?! Splashed in the
> eyes, I imagine it would hurt a LOT.

That is actually not a bad idea... ;-)

Yeah, well I refuse to live in fear but I won't carry a gun and I
always have hot pepper sauce on hand.

Jill

Funny how it seems most of the anti-gun folks seem to live in constant
fear that the person in line with them at the grocery store might
have a gun... or the one at the hot dog stand... or the one at the
park... or the one at the coffee shop... It's a wonder they ever
leave their little cocoons...

Not sure who you're talking about, Pete. I don't carry a gun, and I don't
live in fear. I figure if I've lived close to half a century without
packing a gun I've done pretty well for myself. Just don't get too close to
me when I've got a bottle of hot sauce or my trusty cast iron skillet! You
might just get hit with either one or both! 😉

Jill

Dee Dee said:

http://www.benbest.com/lifeext/murder.html#usa
in the late 1990's
Canada is not listed as one of the ten safest countries to live in
with regard to murder rates.

Are you saying that Canada has such a high murder rate that we need to go
around armed? At 1.73 homicides per 100,000?

Cheryl

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Omelet said:

I've not read any stories of those poor people fighting back.

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They run and evacuate.

Well, here are two sources in which the current Darfur conflict is
attributed to rebel groups attacking government targets. They may have or
have not been justified in doing so (they claim governmental neglect of
the Darfur region), but they sure were fighting instead of running.
Naturally, once a war starts, lots of people do end up as refugees, but
that doesn't mean that others in the same ethnic or political group
aren't armed fighters.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudan#Darfur_conflict
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/3496731.stm

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