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  1. In article <[email hidden]>,

    jmcquown said:
    Quoted message said:

    Funny how it seems most of the anti-gun folks seem to live in constant
    fear that the person in line with them at the grocery store might
    have a gun... or the one at the hot dog stand... or the one at the
    park... or the one at the coffee shop... It's a wonder they ever
    leave their little cocoons...

    Not sure who you're talking about, Pete. I don't carry a gun, and I don't
    live in fear. I figure if I've lived close to half a century without
    packing a gun I've done pretty well for myself. Just don't get too close to
    me when I've got a bottle of hot sauce or my trusty cast iron skillet! You
    might just get hit with either one or both! 😉

    Jill

    <lol> Never mess with a kitchen [censored]! ;-D
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  2. "jmcquown" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    Pete C. wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Funny how it seems most of the anti-gun folks seem to live in constant
    fear that the person in line with them at the grocery store might
    have a gun... or the one at the hot dog stand... or the one at the
    park... or the one at the coffee shop... It's a wonder they ever
    leave their little cocoons...

    Not sure who you're talking about, Pete. I don't carry a gun, and I don't
    live in fear. I figure if I've lived close to half a century without
    packing a gun I've done pretty well for myself.

    Those of us who can't be bothered with guns are the ones not blathering
    on about packing for when we are attacked by all the armed criminals
    out there. Don't need a gun. Not scared.

    nancy

  3. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Nancy Young said:

    "jmcquown" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    Pete C. wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Funny how it seems most of the anti-gun folks seem to live in constant
    fear that the person in line with them at the grocery store might
    have a gun... or the one at the hot dog stand... or the one at the
    park... or the one at the coffee shop... It's a wonder they ever
    leave their little cocoons...

    Not sure who you're talking about, Pete. I don't carry a gun, and I don't
    live in fear. I figure if I've lived close to half a century without
    packing a gun I've done pretty well for myself.

    Those of us who can't be bothered with guns are the ones not blathering
    on about packing for when we are attacked by all the armed criminals
    out there. Don't need a gun. Not scared.

    nancy

    Do you keep a fire extinguisher in your kitchen?
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  4. "Omelet" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:
    Nancy Young said:

    "jmcquown" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    Pete C. wrote:

    Quoted message said:

    > Funny how it seems most of the anti-gun folks seem to live in constant
    > fear that the person in line with them at the grocery store might
    > have a gun... or the one at the hot dog stand... or the one at the
    > park... or the one at the coffee shop... It's a wonder they ever
    > leave their little cocoons...

    Not sure who you're talking about, Pete. I don't carry a gun, and I
    don't
    live in fear. I figure if I've lived close to half a century without
    packing a gun I've done pretty well for myself.

    Those of us who can't be bothered with guns are the ones not blathering
    on about packing for when we are attacked by all the armed criminals
    out there. Don't need a gun. Not scared.

    Quoted message said:

    Do you keep a fire extinguisher in your kitchen?

    I should, and I did, but I don't. That has nothing to do with the fact
    that I don't need a gun.

    nancy

  5. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Nancy Young said:

    "Omelet" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:
    Nancy Young said:

    "jmcquown" <[email hidden]> wrote

    > Pete C. wrote:

    >> Funny how it seems most of the anti-gun folks seem to live in constant
    >> fear that the person in line with them at the grocery store might
    >> have a gun... or the one at the hot dog stand... or the one at the
    >> park... or the one at the coffee shop... It's a wonder they ever
    >> leave their little cocoons...
    >
    > Not sure who you're talking about, Pete. I don't carry a gun, and I
    > don't
    > live in fear. I figure if I've lived close to half a century without
    > packing a gun I've done pretty well for myself.

    Those of us who can't be bothered with guns are the ones not blathering
    on about packing for when we are attacked by all the armed criminals
    out there. Don't need a gun. Not scared.

    Quoted message said:

    Do you keep a fire extinguisher in your kitchen?

    I should, and I did, but I don't. That has nothing to do with the fact
    that I don't need a gun.

    nancy

    Yes, it does. :-)

    It's a safety tool in case of emergencies.

    Period.

    With any luck, I will never need it but I'd rather have it and not need
    it then need it and not have it.

    That applies to guns, fire extinguishers and smoke detectors.

    Safety tools.

    A fire extinguisher also does you no good if you don't know how to use
    it. I have 3 in the house and 2 in the truck.
    --
    Peace, Om

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    "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a [censored]" -- Jack Nicholson

  6. "Omelet" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    "Nancy Young" <[email hidden]> wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Do you keep a fire extinguisher in your kitchen?

    I should, and I did, but I don't. That has nothing to do with the fact
    that I don't need a gun.

    nancy

    Yes, it does. :-)

    It's a safety tool in case of emergencies.

    Period.

    With any luck, I will never need it but I'd rather have it and not need
    it then need it and not have it.

    In your world, people are waiting to drive you off cliffs.

    We live in different worlds. The fact that you can't understand
    that should tell you something, but it doesn't. Can't help you with
    that.

    nancy

  7. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Nancy Young said:

    "Omelet" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    "Nancy Young" <[email hidden]> wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > Do you keep a fire extinguisher in your kitchen?

    I should, and I did, but I don't. That has nothing to do with the fact
    that I don't need a gun.

    nancy

    Yes, it does. :-)

    It's a safety tool in case of emergencies.

    Period.

    With any luck, I will never need it but I'd rather have it and not need
    it then need it and not have it.

    In your world, people are waiting to drive you off cliffs.

    We live in different worlds. The fact that you can't understand
    that should tell you something, but it doesn't. Can't help you with
    that.

    nancy

    I guess we will have to just agree to disagree. ;-)
    I find some personal comfort in having the ability to defend myself.

    I pray to the gods you will never need to.

    Cheers!
    --
    Peace, Om

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    "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a [censored]" -- Jack Nicholson

  8. "Omelet" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:
    Nancy Young said:

    "Omelet" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    "Nancy Young" <[email hidden]> wrote:

    Quoted message said:

    > > Do you keep a fire extinguisher in your kitchen?
    >
    > I should, and I did, but I don't. That has nothing to do with the
    > fact
    > that I don't need a gun.
    >
    > nancy

    Yes, it does. :-)

    It's a safety tool in case of emergencies.

    Period.

    With any luck, I will never need it but I'd rather have it and not need
    it then need it and not have it.

    In your world, people are waiting to drive you off cliffs.

    We live in different worlds. The fact that you can't understand
    that should tell you something, but it doesn't. Can't help you with
    that.

    Quoted message said:

    I guess we will have to just agree to disagree. ;-)
    I find some personal comfort in having the ability to defend myself.

    Perceived.

    Quoted message said:


    I pray to the gods you will never need to.

    Really. You don't need to pray for me on that account. I don't need it.

    nancy

  9. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Nancy Young said:

    "Omelet" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:
    Nancy Young said:

    "Omelet" <[email hidden]> wrote

    > "Nancy Young" <[email hidden]> wrote:

    >> > Do you keep a fire extinguisher in your kitchen?
    >>
    >> I should, and I did, but I don't. That has nothing to do with the
    >> fact
    >> that I don't need a gun.
    >>
    >> nancy
    >
    > Yes, it does. :-)
    >
    > It's a safety tool in case of emergencies.
    >
    > Period.
    >
    > With any luck, I will never need it but I'd rather have it and not need
    > it then need it and not have it.

    In your world, people are waiting to drive you off cliffs.

    I'm not paranoid babe, I just like to "be prepared".
    Kinda like preparing for bad storms with canned food and bottled water.
    There really is no difference, and ammo lasts longer than canned food!
    <G>

    And if nothing else, I can use it to hunt for game if I have to.
    Squirrel is tasty. (dragging it kicking and screaming back on topic?)

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    We live in different worlds. The fact that you can't understand
    that should tell you something, but it doesn't. Can't help you with
    that.

    Quoted message said:

    I guess we will have to just agree to disagree. ;-)
    I find some personal comfort in having the ability to defend myself.

    Perceived.

    :-)

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    I pray to the gods you will never need to.

    Really. You don't need to pray for me on that account. I don't need it.

    nancy

    Never hurts......... ;-D

    And I never pray for bad people!
    You are good people.
    --
    Peace, Om

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    "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a [censored]" -- Jack Nicholson

  10. "Omelet" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    "Nancy Young" <[email hidden]> wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Really. You don't need to pray for me on that account. I don't need it.

    Quoted message said:

    Never hurts......... ;-D

    And I never pray for bad people!
    You are good people.

    Thank you, Om.

    nancy

  11. In article <[email hidden]>,
    [email hidden] says...

    Quoted message said:

    Those of us who can't be bothered with guns are the ones not blathering
    on about packing for when we are attacked by all the armed criminals
    out there. Don't need a gun. Not scared.

    nancy

    Precisely.

    There was a story in the local paper recently about a couple who lived
    in constant fear of being robbed. They both have concealed pistol
    permits, and spend a lot of time at the shooting range. When they go to
    an ATM to withdraw money, one sits in the car with their gun in their
    lap and "covers" the other one.

    Truly pitiful.

    --
    Peter Aitken

  12. Dee Dee <[email hidden]> scripsit in
    news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:

    http://www.benbest.com/lifeext/murder.html#usa
    in the late 1990's
    Canada is not listed as one of the ten safest countries to live in
    with regard to murder rates.

    We are in the latter part of the 2000's so those statistics are a
    decade out of date. Amazing how people think they can pull out old
    stuff to derail a discussion.

    http://www.statcan.ca/Daily/English/011218/d011218b.htm

    For more recent numbers, consult:

    http://www.statcan.ca/Daily/English/060720/d060720b.htm

    At any rate, not being armed does not result in more murders per
    capita, nor are those murders committed with firearms as a
    predominant weapon (this was established previously).

    "Between 1991 and 2000, rates of property crime fell 34%, driven in
    part by reductions in breaking and entering."

    "During the past four decades, years with higher rates of per capita
    alcohol consumption and unemployment tended to be associated with
    higher rates of homicide."

    http://www.statcan.ca/Daily/English/050629/d050629b.htm

    Higher rates of homicide would include bar brawls and domestic
    disputes that end up in the death of one or the other, or both.

    But still, we're talking about small numbers.

    "Canadian police services reported 658 homicides in 2005, 34 more
    than in 2004."

    "There were 222 victims killed by a firearm in 2005, 49 more than the
    previous year. This is the third consecutive annual
    increase in firearm homicides. Handguns accounted for about 6 in 10
    firearm homicides."

    So, of 222 victims killed with a firearm, 133 were killed with a
    handgun. This is for the entire population of the country for a
    whole year.

    --

    "The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's
    oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the
    search for a superior moral justification for
    selfishness." -- John Kenneth Galbraith

  13. "Peter A" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    [email hidden] says...

    Quoted message said:

    Those of us who can't be bothered with guns are the ones not blathering
    on about packing for when we are attacked by all the armed criminals
    out there. Don't need a gun. Not scared.

    Quoted message said:

    Precisely.

    There was a story in the local paper recently about a couple who lived
    in constant fear of being robbed. They both have concealed pistol
    permits, and spend a lot of time at the shooting range. When they go to
    an ATM to withdraw money, one sits in the car with their gun in their
    lap and "covers" the other one.

    Truly pitiful.

    I shouldn't laugh, because that really is sad. I'm sure it wouldn't help
    to point out to them that we live in what could be a cashless society,
    just use credit/debit cards, checks. Go to the bank if the ATM seems
    scary to you, get your 10 bucks walking around money.

    They won't listen. Of course. Their fear filled world is comforting
    to them somehow. I wish them peace, as they don't have it.

    nancy

  14. Cheryl Perkins <[email hidden]> scripsit in
    news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:

    Are you saying that Canada has such a high murder rate that we
    need to go around armed? At 1.73 homicides per 100,000?

    I'm guessing that's what they're saying. I'm thinking it would result
    in more dead politicians, which would be a good start ;-)

    Spreading fear and innuendo are the tools of the far right. When you
    face them down with proper numbers, not desperately out of date ones,
    they are unable to respond.

    --

    "The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's
    oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the
    search for a superior moral justification for
    selfishness." -- John Kenneth Galbraith

  15. Giusi <[email hidden]> scripsit in news:466cfe42$0$16262$88260bb3
    @free.teranews.com:

    Quoted message said:

    Any society that
    lives in and with such a terrible ethic is very sick.

    And they commit the worst of blunders which is to get involved in land
    wars in Asia...and the Middle East.

    --

    "The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's
    oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the
    search for a superior moral justification for
    selfishness." -- John Kenneth Galbraith

  16. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Peter A said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,
    [email hidden] says...

    Quoted message said:

    Those of us who can't be bothered with guns are the ones not blathering
    on about packing for when we are attacked by all the armed criminals
    out there. Don't need a gun. Not scared.

    nancy

    Precisely.

    There was a story in the local paper recently about a couple who lived
    in constant fear of being robbed. They both have concealed pistol
    permits, and spend a lot of time at the shooting range. When they go to
    an ATM to withdraw money, one sits in the car with their gun in their
    lap and "covers" the other one.

    Truly pitiful.

    Not really... I personally knew someone that was murdered at an ATM
    machine. Left behind a wife and 2 toddlers, and no life insurance.

    Sam Evans, San Antonio. Don't recall the exact year but they never did
    catch his killers.

    He was a co-worker of mine and hit the ATM machine late at night after
    he got off work.

    Granted, it's better not to do something that stupid in the first place,
    but still...
    --
    Peace, Om

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    "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a [censored]" -- Jack Nicholson

  17. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Nancy Young said:

    "Peter A" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    [email hidden] says...

    Quoted message said:

    Those of us who can't be bothered with guns are the ones not blathering
    on about packing for when we are attacked by all the armed criminals
    out there. Don't need a gun. Not scared.

    Quoted message said:

    Precisely.

    There was a story in the local paper recently about a couple who lived
    in constant fear of being robbed. They both have concealed pistol
    permits, and spend a lot of time at the shooting range. When they go to
    an ATM to withdraw money, one sits in the car with their gun in their
    lap and "covers" the other one.

    Truly pitiful.

    I shouldn't laugh, because that really is sad. I'm sure it wouldn't help
    to point out to them that we live in what could be a cashless society,
    just use credit/debit cards, checks. Go to the bank if the ATM seems
    scary to you, get your 10 bucks walking around money.

    They won't listen. Of course. Their fear filled world is comforting
    to them somehow. I wish them peace, as they don't have it.

    nancy

    I never use ATM machines. Checks, credit and debit cards work for me.

    I hope that you all don't really think that wanting to be armed means
    that I live in fear.

    Nothing could be further from the truth. ;-)

    Besides, going to the range is entertainment and personal challenge.
    It's fun.
    --
    Peace, Om

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    "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a [censored]" -- Jack Nicholson

  18. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Michel Boucher said:

    Giusi <[email hidden]> scripsit in news:466cfe42$0$16262$88260bb3
    @free.teranews.com:

    Quoted message said:

    Any society that
    lives in and with such a terrible ethic is very sick.

    And they commit the worst of blunders which is to get involved in land
    wars in Asia...and the Middle East.

    I hope you realize that the vast MAJORITY of americans are opposed to
    that war. I'd think the last Congressional election would speak for
    itself.

    Anyone with any sense would know that "The people" don't really have
    much control over what our "leaders" do.

    Only in a perfect world. :-(
    --
    Peace, Om

    Remove _ to validate e-mails.

    "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a [censored]" -- Jack Nicholson

  19. Omelet said:


    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Nancy Young said:

    "Peter A" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    [email hidden] says...

    > Those of us who can't be bothered with guns are the ones not blathering
    > on about packing for when we are attacked by all the armed criminals
    > out there. Don't need a gun. Not scared.

    Quoted message said:

    Precisely.

    There was a story in the local paper recently about a couple who lived
    in constant fear of being robbed. They both have concealed pistol
    permits, and spend a lot of time at the shooting range. When they go to
    an ATM to withdraw money, one sits in the car with their gun in their
    lap and "covers" the other one.

    Truly pitiful.

    I shouldn't laugh, because that really is sad. I'm sure it wouldn't help
    to point out to them that we live in what could be a cashless society,
    just use credit/debit cards, checks. Go to the bank if the ATM seems
    scary to you, get your 10 bucks walking around money.

    They won't listen. Of course. Their fear filled world is comforting
    to them somehow. I wish them peace, as they don't have it.

    nancy

    I never use ATM machines. Checks, credit and debit cards work for me.

    I hope that you all don't really think that wanting to be armed means
    that I live in fear.

    No, it's just the typical anti-gunners attempt to hide the fact that
    they are the ones who are paranoid. They live in constant fear that
    someone they walk by might be armed. Remarkable insecurity, quite sad.

  20. Michel Boucher said:


    Dee Dee <[email hidden]> scripsit in
    news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:

    http://www.benbest.com/lifeext/murder.html#usa
    in the late 1990's
    Canada is not listed as one of the ten safest countries to live in
    with regard to murder rates.

    We are in the latter part of the 2000's so those statistics are a
    decade out of date. Amazing how people think they can pull out old
    stuff to derail a discussion.

    http://www.statcan.ca/Daily/English/011218/d011218b.htm

    For more recent numbers, consult:

    http://www.statcan.ca/Daily/English/060720/d060720b.htm

    At any rate, not being armed does not result in more murders per
    capita, nor are those murders committed with firearms as a
    predominant weapon (this was established previously).

    "Between 1991 and 2000, rates of property crime fell 34%, driven in
    part by reductions in breaking and entering."

    "During the past four decades, years with higher rates of per capita
    alcohol consumption and unemployment tended to be associated with
    higher rates of homicide."

    http://www.statcan.ca/Daily/English/050629/d050629b.htm

    Higher rates of homicide would include bar brawls and domestic
    disputes that end up in the death of one or the other, or both.

    But still, we're talking about small numbers.

    "Canadian police services reported 658 homicides in 2005, 34 more
    than in 2004."

    "There were 222 victims killed by a firearm in 2005, 49 more than the
    previous year. This is the third consecutive annual
    increase in firearm homicides. Handguns accounted for about 6 in 10
    firearm homicides."

    So, of 222 victims killed with a firearm, 133 were killed with a
    handgun. This is for the entire population of the country for a
    whole year.

    The numbers you quote don't tell the whole picture and indeed aren't
    very relevant. Total firearm deaths don't account for which were
    defensive actions, don't account for lives saved because someone was
    armed and didn't have to kill their attacker, don't account for people
    murdered by other means, etc.

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