Real Names vs. User Names

[Edward Dolan]

"Hadron Quark" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> writes:
>
>> I am not as concerned about erosion to the trail as you imagine me to be.
>> I
>> am concerned about the kind of mental attitudes that others take into the
>> wilderness with them. Only hikers and equestrians have the right mental
>> attitude for the wilderness (reverence). Mountain bikers especially have
>> all
>> the wrong attitudes. They view the trail as some kind of obstacle course
>> which they are challenged to conquer. In other words, it is a sport to
>> them,
>> not a pilgrimage of the soul.
>
> Well said : but define a "mountain biker"? If its some goateed **** who
> says "kewl" a lot then I would agree. If it were someone with a
> mountainbike who is using a mountainbike for the rougher terrain on a
> long distance tour then I would disagree. Touring cyclists fit into your
> "pilgrimage" group too you know.

If that is indeed the case, then I will allow them to pass unmolested on my
sacred footpaths.

I have never yet seen a high altitude trail that I thought was suitable for
mountain bikes. I have seen such trails at lower elevations. But I continue
to believe that some kind of road is best suited for a bike. The road can be
very rough, but is should be a road and not a trail. Jeep roads, sometimes
called 4-wheel drive roads, would seem to be ideal for mountain bikes as
well as all gravel roads of course.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

 

[Eugene Miya]

>> So your deduction of more threads is wrong.

In article <[email protected]>,
Edward Dolan <[email protected]> wrote:
>It is my impression that text only documents take up hardly any space at
>all.

This is true only in context.

>> A groups and R groups are admined differently.
>
>What is an A group (alternate?) and what is an R group (recreation?)?

You got those right.

> How do they differ from one another?

The alt.* hierarchy of groups were set up by John Gilmore (chanced to
see him on Friday evening) as a more loosely administered set of news
groups than the more main stream big-7/8. Admining by hierarchy is
easier than individual group (although this is done in a few cases).

If an ISP does not want to carry the alt.* groups or expire articles at
a shorter frequency that is possible.

Cross posting between hierarchies means that software has to decide
whether big-8 or alt.* expiration policies hold. Most take a
conservative approach and keep the big-8 groups longer.

This is also why full feeds between ISPs are highly coveted.

>What is "admined"? I am using the OE
Short for administered.
>newsreader. How does what you say impact on that?

Reader clients like OE are only a problem for posting or reading users.
Like bad dogs and children, in the wrong hands, they are problems.

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[Eugene Miya]

In article <[email protected]>,
Edward Dolan <[email protected]> wrote:
>I am very good at listening, but I return with interest anything that does
>not strike my fancy. Others have accused me of abusing the protocols of
>Usenet, but I do not think I ever do that. I am merely contentious and I
>like to argue. Surely that is what Usenet is all about, is it not?

Usenet, NNTP, is merely a low priority communication protocol.
It is somewhat superior to mailing lists when scaling is an issue, and
somewhat under appreciated by web newbies. It is monitored by people in
the know. The main problems are its text base and the learning curve
for setting up the right mix between moderated and un-moderated groups.

If you want pure argument, you want talk.politics.*.

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[Edward Dolan]

"Eugene Miya" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:4468aedc$1@darkstar...

Alt. newsgroup restored.

>>> So your deduction of more threads is wrong.
>
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Edward Dolan <[email protected]> wrote:
>>It is my impression that text only documents take up hardly any space at
>>all.
>
> This is true only in context.
>
>>> A groups and R groups are admined differently.
>>
>>What is an A group (alternate?) and what is an R group (recreation?)?
>
> You got those right.
>
>> How do they differ from one another?
>
> The alt.* hierarchy of groups were set up by John Gilmore (chanced to
> see him on Friday evening) as a more loosely administered set of news
> groups than the more main stream big-7/8. Admining by hierarchy is
> easier than individual group (although this is done in a few cases).
>
> If an ISP does not want to carry the alt.* groups or expire articles at
> a shorter frequency that is possible.
>
> Cross posting between hierarchies means that software has to decide
> whether big-8 or alt.* expiration policies hold. Most take a
> conservative approach and keep the big-8 groups longer.
>
> This is also why full feeds between ISPs are highly coveted.
>
>>What is "admined"? I am using the OE
> Short for administered.
>>newsreader. How does what you say impact on that?
>
> Reader clients like OE are only a problem for posting or reading users.
> Like bad dogs and children, in the wrong hands, they are problems.

Thanks for all the useful information. I never knew any of that. What I know
about computers and the Internet you could put in a thimble with room to
spare.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

 

[Hadron Quark]

"Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> writes:

> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> aka
> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota


What's all this "Great" business? And why "aka" as the the Perpetual
Sorrows? Am I missing something here?

 

[Jeff Strickland]

"Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>> You are aware, aren't you, that Mike Vandeman SUPPORTS harming bicycle
>> operators by stringing piano wire across the trail, and setting stakes in
>> a position to impale riders as they round a curve or jump a log? Yes, my
>> friend, Michael J Vandeman supports killing bike riders. There has been
>> discussion here as to whether or not he personally participates in these
>> activities. I have no proof that he is a participant, but the tenor of
>> his postings clearly show his support.
>
> He is just fantasizing as I do myself.
>


There is absolutely NO evidence that he is fantasizing.

 

[Jeff Strickland]

"Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "Jeff Strickland" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>> "Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>>> "Jeff Strickland" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>>>> "Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>>>>>
>>>>> "Jeff Strickland" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>> news:[email protected]...
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>>>>>> "Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Jeff Strickland" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>>>>>>I must confess I have a terrific bias in favor of members of
>>>>>>>>>newsgroups who use their real names. I think what happens when you
>>>>>>>>>use a user name is that you tend to hide behind it and behave more
>>>>>>>>>or less like a scoundrel. However, if you are going to use a user
>>>>>>>>>name, then it had best make some kind of sense. I will not stand
>>>>>>>>>for gobbledygook.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Mike Vandeman uses his real name, and all he posts is gobbledygook,
>>>>>>>> and he makes no effort to conceal the fact that he is a scoundrel.
>>>>>>>> I like your theory, but I found an exception to the rule.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have not noted the offenses that you speak of in reference to
>>>>>>> Vandeman. Like me, he is contentious and returns invective with
>>>>>>> invective. After all, if someone is calling you a liar, then you
>>>>>>> have every right to return the favor.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Then, you must be new here. Mike posts huge quantities of flawed
>>>>>> data, where the flaws always support his agenda. The data NEVER takes
>>>>>> into account the facts that many of the routes he would close -- he
>>>>>> would close them all, by the way -- have been on the ground for a
>>>>>> century, sometimes more. He is prone to point to his own work as
>>>>>> proof of his assertions. He ignores any fact that refutes his
>>>>>> assertions in any way.
>>>>>
>>>>> Even if what you say is true, I like his bias. It is the same as mine.
>>>>> I am against mountain bikers using trails that were originally
>>>>> designed for hikers. Mountain bikers need to have their own trails,
>>>>> and those trails should never go anywhere near a wilderness.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That is NOT Mike's bias. His bias is to CLOSE all wilderness areas to
>>>> all visitation. Today, his rubber du jour is bike tires, tomorrow his
>>>> rubber will be boots. His bias seems to completely ignore development
>>>> and go after recreational uses.
>>>
>>> Wilderness Areas can be used by hikers (with some limitations from time
>>> to time perhaps) and horse parties, if not too large. But that is about
>>> it as far as I am concerned. I do not even like helicopters flying
>>> overhead. Needless to say, Wildernesss Areas need to be managed even for
>>> the use of hikers and horses, just as all natural areas need to be
>>> managed. No one can ever do just whatever they want to do.
>>>
>>
>> I have never heard anybody call for open range on a wilderness area,
>> where we can go in and do whatever we want. Personally, all I want is to
>> travel on the existing routes to get from one place to another. I'm all
>> for management, that's fine. What I don't want is a gate across the
>> trail. As I said in another post, I have a trail in my area that is a
>> hold over from the Pony Express days, and the Mike Vandeman crowd wants
>> it closed to everybody.
>
> I will go along with you on that. Roads that are already established, even
> jeep roads, can stay but let us preserve what little wilderness is left by
> banning any more roads. Frankly, I do not think we need any more trails
> either, except perhaps trails for mountain bikes in already developed
> recreational areas.
>
> The wilderness is sacred to me. It is where we all come from as a species.
> We should revere it and preserve it as best we can. There is just so
> little of it left. You really need to go to old Europe to see what man has
> done to that continent. Yes, parts of it are a garden, but there is no
> wilderness left there (except maybe in the high arctic). We do not need to
> do the New World what man has done to the Old World.
>

The wilderness is sacred to me as well, that is why I fight to keep the
trails open. We (the recreation community) are losing routes at an
astounding rate, routes that have been in inventory for decades, centuries
even. I leave the creation battles to other people, I'm happy to keep what I
have and not be locked out.

 

[Eugene Miya]

In article <[email protected]>,
Edward Dolan <[email protected]> wrote:
>Alt. newsgroup restored.

What ever.

>>>What is "admined"? I am using the OE
>> Short for administered.
>>>newsreader. How does what you say impact on that?
>>
>> Reader clients like OE are only a problem for posting or reading users.
>> Like bad dogs and children, in the wrong hands, they are problems.
>
>Thanks for all the useful information. I never knew any of that. What I know
>about computers and the Internet you could put in a thimble with room to
>spare.

And you are proud of that?

Learn some stuff about the net. Get over into other groups and web sites.
Do something more than posting an opinion or lurking.

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[Edward Dolan]

"Eugene Miya" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:446a6508$1@darkstar...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Edward Dolan <[email protected]> wrote:
>>Alt. newsgroup restored.
>
> What ever.

Why do you keep horsing around editing the newsgroups?

>>>>What is "admined"? I am using the OE
>>> Short for administered.
>>>>newsreader. How does what you say impact on that?
>>>
>>> Reader clients like OE are only a problem for posting or reading users.
>>> Like bad dogs and children, in the wrong hands, they are problems.
>>
>>Thanks for all the useful information. I never knew any of that. What I
>>know
>>about computers and the Internet you could put in a thimble with room to
>>spare.
>
> And you are proud of that?
>
> Learn some stuff about the net. Get over into other groups and web sites.
> Do something more than posting an opinion or lurking.

I do not give a damn about computers, the Internet and most especially
newsgroups, other than having some fun with all three. I do not do much
lurking anymore since I have discovered that all newsgroups are by and for
idiots, without any exceptions whatsoever. How could it be otherwise when
the groups are not moderated.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

 

[Edward Dolan]

"Hadron Quark" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> writes:
>
>> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
>> aka
>> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
>
>
> What's all this "Great" business? And why "aka" as the the Perpetual
> Sorrows? Am I missing something here?

My signature developed over time mostly as a result of how I viewed others'
signatures, especially one idiot who goes by the name of Peter Clinch from
Scotland. He absolutely has the dumbest signature I have ever encountered.

But my signature is also a clue as to how I view others on the newsgroups. I
am Great and they are not and I am Saintly and they are not. Anyone who is
not in a state of perpetual sorrow at the miserable kind of world we are
living in is beyond the pale. Earth ... abandon all hope ye who enter here!
There, now you are not missing anything anymore!

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

 

[Mike Romain]

Edward Dolan wrote:
>
> I do not do much
> lurking anymore since I have discovered that all newsgroups are by and for
> idiots, without any exceptions whatsoever.

LOL!

I see you fit right in eh.

Mike

 

[Ed Huesers]

> Edward Dolan wrote:
>> I have discovered that all newsgroups are by and for
>> idiots, without any exceptions whatsoever.

Mike Romain wrote:
> I see you fit right in eh.

He didn't stutter none eh.

Ed Huesers
http://www.grandshelters.com

 

[pmhilton]

Ed Huesers wrote:
>> Edward Dolan wrote:
>>
>>> I have discovered that all newsgroups are by and for
>>> idiots, without any exceptions whatsoever.
>>
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
>
>> I see you fit right in eh.
>
>
> He didn't stutter none eh.
>
> Ed Huesers
> http://www.grandshelters.com

So we're all overhomers here, eh?

Pete H

 

[Eugene Miya]

In article <[email protected]>, pmhilton <[email protected]> wrote:
>Ed Huesers wrote:
>>> Edward Dolan wrote:
>>>> I have discovered that all newsgroups are by and for
>>>> idiots, without any exceptions whatsoever.
>>
>> Mike Romain wrote:
>>> I see you fit right in eh.
>>
>> He didn't stutter none eh.
>> Ed Huesers
>
>So we're all overhomers here, eh?

Next we will teach you how to say 'B'.

Say it "Bee."

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[Eugene Miya]

In article <[email protected]>,
Edward Dolan <[email protected]> wrote:
>Why do you keep horsing around editing the newsgroups?

Because that's why we implemented the Followup-To: line in headers.

You can similarly ask you you don't?
You can similarly ask why you attribute an entire article than the
relevant bits (a subject decision). The usual argument is for full context.
That's silly in the extreme case of "Me, too" posts.

It's a job.


>I do not give a damn about computers, the Internet and most especially
>newsgroups, other than having some fun with all three. I do not do much
Then what are you doing here?
>lurking anymore since I have discovered that all newsgroups are by and for
>idiots, without any exceptions whatsoever. How could it be otherwise when
like yourself?
>the groups are not moderated.

The same question is asked not only of news groups but blogs, Wikis, and
other internet protocols.
1) People are lazy, even vandals. 2) The number of non-vandals appears
to exceed vandals. 3) Some lazy people are lazy in different ways.
I could go on.

If you don't really give a damn, and I know many people who don't,
you are really wasting your time here.

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[Eugene Miya]

In article <[email protected]>,
Edward Dolan <[email protected]> wrote:
>"Hadron Quark" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> "Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> writes:
>>> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
>>> aka
>>> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
>>
>> What's all this "Great" business? And why "aka" as the the Perpetual
>> Sorrows? Am I missing something here?
>
>My signature developed over time mostly as a result of how I viewed others'
>signatures, especially one idiot who goes by the name of Peter Clinch from
>Scotland. He absolutely has the dumbest signature I have ever encountered.

I like Peter's posting.
Chalk one minus point.

Signatures here developed due to early network unreliabilities.

Done well they can be very powerful; knowing this from personal experience.


>But my signature is also a clue as to how I view others on the newsgroups. I
>am Great and they are not and I am Saintly and they are not. Anyone who is
>not in a state of perpetual sorrow at the miserable kind of world we are
>living in is beyond the pale. Earth ... abandon all hope ye who enter here!
>There, now you are not missing anything anymore!

I've seen no greatness nor saintliness. You could be.
I have been somewhat lucky/fortunate to have encountered a few pretty
good brains of our age. I will wait over time for you to demonstrate it.

The greatest people on the net that I know tend to have a minimum of 2
secretaries (I have 0), and they don't have time to post. Some did
decades ago when they were grad students or asst. profs. or other lower
position. They have people read for them if and where it matters.

--

 

[pmhilton]

Eugene Miya wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>, pmhilton <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Ed Huesers wrote:
>>
>>>>Edward Dolan wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>I have discovered that all newsgroups are by and for
>>>>>idiots, without any exceptions whatsoever.
>>>>
>>>Mike Romain wrote:
>>>
>>>>I see you fit right in eh.
>>>
>>> He didn't stutter none eh.
>>> Ed Huesers
>>
>>So we're all overhomers here, eh?
>
>
> Next we will teach you how to say 'B'.
>
> Say it "Bee."
>

I thought we were going to learn our next word in Turkish.

PH

 

[Mike Rice]

On Wed, 17 May 2006 17:37:42 -0400, pmhilton <[email protected]> wrote:

>Eugene Miya wrote:
>> In article <[email protected]>, pmhilton <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>Ed Huesers wrote:
>>>
>>>>>Edward Dolan wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>I have discovered that all newsgroups are by and for
>>>>>>idiots, without any exceptions whatsoever.
>>>>>
>>>>Mike Romain wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>I see you fit right in eh.
>>>>
>>>> He didn't stutter none eh.
>>>> Ed Huesers
>>>
>>>So we're all overhomers here, eh?
>>
>>
>> Next we will teach you how to say 'B'.
>>
>> Say it "Bee."
>>
>
>I thought we were going to learn our next word in Turkish.
>
>PH

Towel.

May I see your passport, please?

Indiana Mike

 

[pmhilton]

Mike Rice wrote:


>>
>>I thought we were going to learn our next word in Turkish.
>>
>>PH
>
>
> Towel.
>
> May I see your passport, please?
>
> Indiana Mike
>

Yes, I have it right here. (recent & previous 2 (expired))

What happened to the lights?

You're with us, come with me.

"Everyone should know where his towel is...."

Pete H aka The Bad Bozo

 

[Edward Dolan]

"Eugene Miya" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:446b89f2$1@darkstar...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Edward Dolan <[email protected]> wrote:
>>"Hadron Quark" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
>>> "Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> writes:
>>>> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
>>>> aka
>>>> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
>>>
>>> What's all this "Great" business? And why "aka" as the the Perpetual
>>> Sorrows? Am I missing something here?
>>
>>My signature developed over time mostly as a result of how I viewed
>>others'
>>signatures, especially one idiot who goes by the name of Peter Clinch from
>>Scotland. He absolutely has the dumbest signature I have ever encountered.
>
> I like Peter's posting.
> Chalk one minus point.
>
> Signatures here developed due to early network unreliabilities.
>
> Done well they can be very powerful; knowing this from personal
> experience.

His signature might be appropriate if he were involved in business
transactions or his own blog on a website, but on newsgroups related to
cycling it has no place at all. He is a jerk plain and simple. No one else
does his kind of signature. By the way, why don't you have some kind of
signature? False modesty is a hundred times worse than false arrogance.

>>But my signature is also a clue as to how I view others on the newsgroups.
>>I
>>am Great and they are not and I am Saintly and they are not. Anyone who
>>is
>>not in a state of perpetual sorrow at the miserable kind of world we are
>>living in is beyond the pale. Earth ... abandon all hope ye who enter
>>here!
>>There, now you are not missing anything anymore!
>
> I've seen no greatness nor saintliness. You could be.
> I have been somewhat lucky/fortunate to have encountered a few pretty
> good brains of our age. I will wait over time for you to demonstrate it.

There are no brains on Usenet. You are a dope for thinking that there are.

> The greatest people on the net that I know tend to have a minimum of 2
> secretaries (I have 0), and they don't have time to post. Some did
> decades ago when they were grad students or asst. profs. or other lower
> position. They have people read for them if and where it matters.

I do not have the foggiest idea what Usenet was like ages ago. All I know
now is that it is for idiots exclusively. What do secretaries have to do
with anything.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota