Quoted message said:Jim said:Well, some of the things that you have mentioned have already been covered.
There is no absolute necessity for carbohydrates to be in the diet
according to the Institute of Medicine, part of the National Academy of
Sciences, Washington DC.
They also cite examples of cultures that managed to be healthy on
virtually no carbohydrates, or very little carbohydrates.
http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=10490&page=275
It is a proven fact that people can survive for long periods of time
(decades) without carbohydrates. I am saying that I was unable to
while working an 8+ hour day in an office.
Quoted message said:The long term risks of ketosis are UNKNOWN from scientific studies, not
SIGNIFICANT.
A telling story is the belief you have of the softening of your teeth
from ketosis.
Lemon juice and coca cola are two liquids known to soften dental enamel.
There are consumer reports that some of the whitening agents for teeth
also soften enamel.
I am not sure how this is relavent.
I can see that you would feel that way. Avoid at all costs plausible
alternatives to your hypothesis that ketosis caused the softening of
your teeth. There are perhaps a half dozen known reasons for softening
of teeth. Since it isn't my symptom, I haven't been very thorough in
looking it up.
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:The connections between ordinary diet KETOSIS (not DIABETIC
KETOACIDOSIS) and other diseases fail to crop up on short searches on
Google. Diabetic ketoacidosis (with diabetes) certainly has known
effects on the eye and general risks for several other organs.
Please post any links you have to evidence for *dietary* *ketosis*
causing the organ damage to which you refer.
My experience is on the animal rather than human side. It is well
known that acute dietry ketosis can be fatal, and is known as Twin
Lamb Disease [1] in sheep. It is obviouly a very different case to
cronic ketosis in a low carb diet. I shall try and find something
more relavent, but the fact that some forms of ketosis are damaging
surely means it is not totally stupid to cosider the risk of inducing
another form.
As I say, I sure the atkins is very good for many people, I have just
choosen not to go down that road at this time. If the GI diet is not
low carb enough for the question to be OT in this forum then fair
enough, but to call me an idiot and suggest rather dramatic measures
seems a bit over the top.
[1] http://www.pipevet.com/articles/Pregnancy%20Ketosis.htm
You could address the "idiot calling" to the specific individual who did
so. It was not I. Unless you wish to use the broad brush of tar
approach and blame everybody here for what one person does to you.
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Humans appear to be able to have twins without dying from the Twin Lamb
Disease type of starved ketosis. So, surely, if you aren't having
twins, then the animal study is of pretty remote applicability. Also,
sheep are ruminants, and humans aren't. As a specific matter of
differentiation.
Cross species comarisons are fraught with problems. For example,
overfeeding herbifore rabbits with animal products such as protein or
saturated fats or cholesterol lead to poor reactions of forced feeding.
The information on this page leads to reasons to not believe that the
Twin Lamb Disease issue has much relevance to humans. The "disease" is
linked to poor performance of the rumen in sheep leading to the
inability to eat enough for the abnormally high metabolic/macro-nutrient
burden of a sheep having twins.
http://www.farmersjournal.ie/2005/0305/farmmanagement/sheep/feature.shtml
Rabbits fed unnatural high diets of cholesterol [animal product]
resulted in cholesteric deposits, but that doesn't prove that
cholesterol is dangerous to humans, just that cholesterol is dangerous
to herbivor rabbits.
Sheep are herbivores, and the high energy intake of animal fats would
possibly not stave off their malnutrition in the "twin sheep" situation,
but the high intake of fats and proteins normally associated with Low
Carb diets in humans would allow very high energy inputs.
Sometimes apples and oranges have similarities, but sometimes one must
admit they have differences.
Sorry to not have any highly accurate GI data to give you.
Whatever you do, I wish you well.
I would suggest that you avoid having twins during your weight loss,
just in case.
