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"Damsel in dis Dress" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Nancy Young said:

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If you live in an area with homeless people panhandling for their next
meal, fix, or drink, it's a nice idea to carry books of food
certificate books, like from McDonald's, etc. They can use it for
food.

Good idea. Yeah, I don't mind giving someone a meal, but I
don't want anything to do with them buying drugs/whatever got them
in that predicament to start with. That's no help.

From what I understand, a large percentage of homeless people are
there because of mental illness. Especially with the more severe
illnesses, people tend not to want to take their medication, so they
become unable to function normally in society.

Carol

I'm not saying that there are no homeless women, but seems there must be
more men than women who have this mental illness - hmm.
Dee Dee

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Damsel in dis Dress said:

Very sad. I used to buy extra food for lunch, then give it to a
street person. It's tragic to see someon digging through trash
looking for dinner.

Here in Wenatchee, we have a great men's shelter and mission --
Hospitality House. Anyone -- not just the residents -- can get a free
meal at breakfast, lunch, and dinner. My store sends Hospitality House
all of our meat that is left over at the end of the day -- we don't reheat
anything. We are one of the few sources of donated meats that they have.
Most other stores will send produce and dairy, but there is a lack of meat
in the donations.
--
Dave
www.davebbq.com

Thank you and your store, Dave, for your generosity.
Dee Dee

Damsel in dis Dress said:

If you live in an area with homeless people panhandling for their next
meal, fix, or drink, it's a nice idea to carry books of food
certificate books, like from McDonald's, etc. They can use it for
food.

Carol

Nope. They will sell it for less than face value for drugs or booze.
If you want to help them, give them food.
-L.

Dee Randall said:

I've done this in Pioneer Square, Seattle, where there used to be plenty of
street persons around the restaurants. Talk about being thankful! I've
heard the Seattle people tried or have removed them from this area; I wonder
where they are eating now.
Dee Dee

For some reason, the PNW has a lot of hungry people; Portland has come
in #1 for hunger a number of times. One of the best ways to help is to
donate to the food pantries. In addition to giving away boxes of food
to needy families, they also supply food to shelter kitchens and places
that offer free meals.
-L.

[email hidden] (Damsel in dis Dress)WROTE:
Years ago, when I was doing a big consulting job in Pasadena, I went to
the nearest market to get groceries. A guy hit me up for money on the
way in. Sorry, I didn't need my money going into his arm or to the
nearest liquor store. So in the market, I buy some extra fruit, bag it
separately, and give it to him on the way out of the store. He turned it
down, refused it, wouldn't take it. He was nice about it and did say
thanks for the thought. I'd forgotten all about that until this thread
reminded me.
I have to say that 95% of the time, the homeless people act like I gave
them the Hope Diamond when I've bought them a hamburger or whatever.
If you live in an area with homeless people panhandling for their next
meal, fix, or drink, it's a nice idea to carry books of food certificate
books, like from McDonald's, etc. They can use it for food.
Carol-----------------------------------------------
RESPONSE: When I lived in downtown Detroit for a couple of years I
learned to also give food coupons instead of cash to many of the
homeless who hit on you for spare change.
If they took the coupons you knew it went to good use, if they declined
they wanted money for booze.
Before I left Detroit for better grounds I work @ a party store
downstairs from where I lived and also less than half block from the
famous corner of Michigan & Trumbull ball park Tiger Stadium. I've seen
my share of baseball fans feeling sorry for these street people giving
them dollar bills only to have them come in the store afterwards buying
Mad Dog, Canadian beer, & canned heat.
Only a very few came in and bought food which was the cheapest in the
area.

"Damsel in dis Dress" WROTE:
snipe:
From what I understand, a large percentage of homeless people are there
because of mental illness. Especially with the more severe illnesses,
people tend not to want to take their medication, so they become unable
to function normally in society.
Carol-----------------------------------------------
RESPONSE: No, those mentally ill people are in the streets since the
President Reagan era when he started to shut down the mental hospitals
for budget cuts and insurance will not pay for these med.'s they need
claiming it's too expensive.
The mentally ill living on the streets are a big problem here even in
the suburban areas. 99% of all state mental hospitals have gone under in
Michigan as most other states with the excuse that the med.'s of today
patients don't need the hospital stay at the state's expense but yet
insurance companies including social services refuse to pay for the
expensive med.'s. Even the free clinics the last hope for many people
here was shut down by our ex state governor.
Got to know a few of these street people by names that hanged out in
public areas sleeping on benches & the story was same over and over.
They were kicked out of the mental hospital when state shut it down
their families wanted nothing more or couldn't cope with them and social
services will not get involve.

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was actually hungry. He said yes, and he got all of the leftovers.
(He seemed truly thankful.) Because it was a Chinese place, the
leftovers were from the serving plates, not our individual plates, so
the food was untouched by us.

Seemed to be the right thing to do.

It kinda haunts me a little, one time I walked out of the
Stage Deli, I think it was, I left half a sandwich untouched
on my plate. Homeless guy sitting outside, looked like he
coulda used it. Don't get me wrong, I know why he chose
that corner, everyone has leftovers there I'd think, but too
bad that awesome brisket on rye didn't go to better use.

In case anyone out there thinks, wow, what a nice person,
she'd give the guy half a sandwich ... those sandwiches are
enormous. I can't eat more than half if I tried like hell.
Huge.

nancy

The delis have wised up, if you want to split one of those sandwiches with a
friend there is an extra charge.

--
Peter Aitken
Visit my recipe and kitchen myths page at www.pgacon.com/cooking.htm

Ken said:

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In case anyone out there thinks, wow, what a nice person,
she'd give the guy half a sandwich ... those sandwiches are
enormous. I can't eat more than half if I tried like hell.
Huge.

nancy

Nancy,

Years ago, when I was doing a big consulting job in Pasadena, I went
to the nearest market to get groceries. A guy hit me up for money on
the way in. Sorry, I didn't need my money going into his arm or to
the nearest liquor store. So in the market, I buy some extra fruit,
bag it separately, and give it to him on the way out of the store.
He turned it down, refused it, wouldn't take it.

Yep, that bothers me. I won't give anyone money, but I will buy them a
sandwich. Happened a couple of months ago. I'd just finished fueling my
car when a homeless man asked me if I had any change. I truthfully said no
(wouldn't have given it to him if I had). But there was a Wendy's next
door; I offered to buy him a sandwich. It was really very sweet - his eyes
lit up and he asked, "Could I have the [whatever the special burger] was? I
saw it on the sign." Sure! You want some fries? some chili? "Oh no, no
ma'am, just the burger is fine." I asked what he'd like to drink. "Oh,
just water; it's free." Silly guy was trying to save *me* money! I went in
and ordered his sandwich; used my credit card. Honestly, I wanted to buy
him one of everything on the menu because he was so selfless about it.

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I have to say that 95% of the time, the homeless people act like I
gave them the Hope Diamond when I've bought them a hamburger or
whatever.

Ken

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Damsel in dis Dress said:

Very sad. I used to buy extra food for lunch, then give it to a
street person. It's tragic to see someon digging through trash
looking for dinner.

Here in Wenatchee, we have a great men's shelter and mission --
Hospitality House. Anyone -- not just the residents -- can get a free
meal at breakfast, lunch, and dinner. My store sends Hospitality House
all of our meat that is left over at the end of the day -- we don't

reheat

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anything. We are one of the few sources of donated meats that they have.
Most other stores will send produce and dairy, but there is a lack of

meat

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in the donations.
--
Dave
www.davebbq.com

Thank you and your store, Dave, for your generosity.
Dee Dee

I lived in Manhattan for a while and after giving $10 to a homeless person
who minutes later was ahead of me in the liquor store, I decided to only
give food. I walked to work and always tried to have a few lunch bags with
a sandwich, fruit and a drink. More often then not, people were grateful,
but a few times I got the look of disgust. Robin

On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 15:10:55 -0500, "RobinB." <[email hidden]>

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I lived in Manhattan for a while and after giving $10 to a homeless person
who minutes later was ahead of me in the liquor store, I decided to only
give food. I walked to work and always tried to have a few lunch bags with
a sandwich, fruit and a drink. More often then not, people were grateful,
but a few times I got the look of disgust. Robin

Wow! That's above and beyond! I salute you. You're a good person.

Carol

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Damsel in dis Dress wrote:

> Very sad. I used to buy extra food for lunch, then give it to a
> street person. It's tragic to see someon digging through trash
> looking for dinner.

Here in Wenatchee, we have a great men's shelter and mission --
Hospitality House. Anyone -- not just the residents -- can get a
free meal at breakfast, lunch, and dinner. My store sends
Hospitality House all of our meat that is left over at the end of
the day -- we don't reheat anything. We are one of the few sources
of donated meats that they have. Most other stores will send
produce and dairy, but there is a lack of meat in the donations.
--
Dave
www.davebbq.com

Thank you and your store, Dave, for your generosity.
Dee Dee

I lived in Manhattan for a while and after giving $10 to a homeless
person who minutes later was ahead of me in the liquor store, I
decided to only give food. I walked to work and always tried to have
a few lunch bags with a sandwich, fruit and a drink. More often then
not, people were grateful, but a few times I got the look of disgust.
Robin

And irregardless, there are the stories one occasionally hears about
panhandlers who solicit money and they don't run to the liquor store to buy
booze... nor do they go buy crack or drugs. They put it in their pocket, go
around the corner to where their nice car is parked and drive home to a
$100,000 home. Scammers. They aren't poor, they are taking advantage of
people. ONLY give food, folks. It's the surest, purest way to be certain
these folks are truly hungry/needy. When I gave Steve (the guy I bought the
Wendy's burger for) his sandwich he sat down on the curb and dug into his
meal before I could pull out of the parking lot. Oh, and he also pointed to
where he "stays" (I saw a collection of big boxes - sigh) on the other side
of a drive-through coin-op car wash and he told me he'd wash my car for
free. God bless him. I looked for him today when I had to drive down that
way but I didn't see him. I'd have bought him another sandwich.

Jill

RobinB. said:

I lived in Manhattan for a while and after giving $10 to a homeless person
who minutes later was ahead of me in the liquor store, I decided to only
give food. I walked to work and always tried to have a few lunch bags with
a sandwich, fruit and a drink. More often then not, people were grateful,
but a few times I got the look of disgust. Robin

You must be pretty flush to hand out sawbucks to total strangers.

Walking around with bags of food to give away in NYC would probably get
you locked up by the man in the white coat.

Did you know that Manhattan has more soup kitchens per capita than
anywhere on the planet... there is absolutely no reason for anyone in
NYC to go hungry unless they choose to. Everyone panhandling in NYC
is doing so to support an addiction.

I look at you with disgust too... you never gave a stranger 10¢.

Sheldon

RobinB. said:

I lived in Manhattan for a while and after giving $10 to a homeless person
who minutes later was ahead of me in the liquor store, I decided to only
give food. I walked to work and always tried to have a few lunch bags with
a sandwich, fruit and a drink. More often then not, people were grateful,
but a few times I got the look of disgust. Robin

No doubt. We used to save bums and hobos, basically social misfits and bums who
were happy to sleep anywhere as long as they could get drunk. Now we call them
homeless. It is no surprise that all the "homeless" tend to end up in the
busiest parts of the big cities where panhandling is the most productive.

My sister in law lived in a part of a city where the homeless like to
congregate, and their favourite location was with a block from the liquor store.
One day she was approached by a bum begging for money. She asked him if he had
change for a twenty. When he said he did she told him he had more money than she
did.

Dave Smith said:

RobinB. said:

I lived in Manhattan for a while and after giving $10 to a homeless person
who minutes later was ahead of me in the liquor store, I decided to only
give food. I walked to work and always tried to have a few lunch bags with
a sandwich, fruit and a drink. More often then not, people were grateful,
but a few times I got the look of disgust. Robin

No doubt. We used to save bums and hobos, basically social misfits and bums who
were happy to sleep anywhere as long as they could get drunk. Now we call them
homeless. It is no surprise that all the "homeless" tend to end up in the
busiest parts of the big cities where panhandling is the most productive.

My sister in law lived in a part of a city where the homeless like to
congregate, and their favourite location was with a block from the liquor store.
One day she was approached by a bum begging for money. She asked him if he had
change for a twenty. When he said he did she told him he had more money than she
did.

It's really pitiful that you equate the homeless with "bums" who just
want to get drunk. It is so wrong, proven so by endless studies and the
experience of thousands of people, including me, who spend some time and
money to help them. The overwhelming majority of the homeless are
decent, respectable people who have been forced into their current
situation by illness, layoffs, or other factors beyond their control.
Not all - a few are indeed unredeemable drunks - but to label all of
them as "bums" is a cheap and tawdry way to save yourself from the
trouble of helping your fellow human beings. Congratulations, you saved
a few dollars - obviously of great implortnace to you.

Peter

P.Aitken said:

It's really pitiful that you equate the homeless with "bums" who just
want to get drunk. It is so wrong, proven so by endless studies and the
experience of thousands of people, including me, who spend some time and
money to help them. The overwhelming majority of the homeless are
decent, respectable people who have been forced into their current
situation by illness, layoffs, or other factors beyond their control.
Not all - a few are indeed unredeemable drunks - but to label all of
them as "bums" is a cheap and tawdry way to save yourself from the
trouble of helping your fellow human beings. Congratulations, you saved
a few dollars - obviously of great implortnace to you.

Get real... if they don't avail themselves to the services that exist
to help them (which I help pay for) and if they contribute not one iota
to society then they are bums. And I don't for one minute buy into
your "fate dealt them a bad blow' theory... there's hardly a soul on
this planet who hasn't been dealt many bad hands... the vast, vast
majority CHOOSE to live the life they do, exactly the same as you and I
choose the lives we live. Most pick themselves up by their own
bootstraps, dust themselves off, take hold of a helping hand
temporarilly, and by their own sweat haul thmeselves out ot their mire.
The bums decide to remain bums... they were bums from birth, nothing
that occured in their lives specifically made them bums. And they will
live as bums and die bums, nothing will alter their course.

You know nothing about me. I happen to be quite involved in veterans
affairs, with helping homeless vets... I have three such family members
I've cared for since I was a teenager, which is how I got involved.
There are plenty of resources available to them, but guess what, the
vast majority choose to live as they do, homeless and with no
responsibilities... no matter how hard anyone tries to help them they
choose to be bums.. Let's not use euphemisms in an attempt to hide the
truth, they are Bums, with a capital B, who would have been bums
regardless.... some people's path just can't be diverted.

And I'm not saying I'm happy such poor souls are how they are, I'm
not... but that's how they are. When anyone chooses not to help
themself then no one else can help them. You can lead a horse to water
but you can't make it drink. And I know this personally, the hard
way... you really don't want to know about missing limbs, psychotic
episodes, wives leaving, children dying... hungry ain't [censored].

In the US anyone goes hungry it's because it's their choice... there
isn't a town in the US hasn't a kitchen to feed the down and out... and
it's all they can eat and good nutritious meals too... probably better
food than most of us fortunate ones here eat. It's absolutely
ludicrous to think there isn't enough food to feed those who need to
eat in a country that can and does feed the the world, and without a
flinch. Food in the US is as plentiful and readily available as salt
of the earth. One typical US stupidmarket contains more food than an
entire third world country. There's plenty food readily/easily
available to the homeless, if they choose not to partake then what.

Sheldon

Sheldon lied:

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In the US anyone goes hungry it's because it's their choice...

False. Do some research and learn something true before posting again.

--Blair

Blair P. Houghton said:

Sheldon lied:

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In the US anyone goes hungry it's because it's their choice...

False. Do some research and learn something true before posting again.

Seems to me you're the one needs to prove your point, obviously you
can't because you didn't. You're all keyboard.

Dee Randall said:

Thank you and your store, Dave, for your generosity.

Believe me, it is a great cause and they have a wonderful rehab program for
those that want a way out of homelessness.

--
Dave
www.davebbq.com

P.Aitken said:

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No doubt. We used to save bums and hobos, basically social misfits and bums who
were happy to sleep anywhere as long as they could get drunk. Now we call them
homeless. It is no surprise that all the "homeless" tend to end up in the
busiest parts of the big cities where panhandling is the most productive.

My sister in law lived in a part of a city where the homeless like to
congregate, and their favourite location was with a block from the liquor store.
One day she was approached by a bum begging for money. She asked him if he had
change for a twenty. When he said he did she told him he had more money than she
did.

It's really pitiful that you equate the homeless with "bums" who just
want to get drunk. It is so wrong, proven so by endless studies and the
experience of thousands of people, including me, who spend some time and
money to help them. The overwhelming majority of the homeless are
decent, respectable people who have been forced into their current
situation by illness, layoffs, or other factors beyond their control.
Not all - a few are indeed unredeemable drunks - but to label all of
them as "bums" is a cheap and tawdry way to save yourself from the
trouble of helping your fellow human beings. Congratulations, you saved
a few dollars - obviously of great implortnace to you.

I live in a country that provides social assistance for people in need. Some whine and
carry on about the taxes we have to pay in order to provide that social safety net. I
don't. I believe in it and support it. My country is considerably colder than the US,
so living on the street in most places is not an option. We have shelters for the
homeless. We have a welfare system and a programs to get those people back on their
feet..... if they want. From my experience in this country, the homeless don't hang
out in the small towns of the north. They head for the big cities and congregate in
the busiest sidewalks of downtown where they can panhandle to the largest crowd. and
alcoholism and drug use is a huge problem for them.

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I was a happy dishwasher. The entire staff would get served a special
(not on the menu) dinner prepared by the chefs before we opened. We all
sat around a large round table and had beer or wine with our meal. Then
we went to work. Occassionally I'd have to fill pitchers of beer for the
chefs. Occassionally I'd earn a glass during dishwashing.

I worked at a chinese restaurant while in college and I worked nights,
which would be about 5pm-10 or 11. At about 830 or 9 the cook would
make up a special meal that was not on the menu and all the staff would
pretty much take a 15 minute break and sit down and eat. I remember
one meal they would make where they would make a meal similar to pepper
steak (steak, peppers, onions) and to it they would add thick wedge cut
french fries and it was delicious. I tried to make it at home but
could never get it right.