Rolling Trials



The other big advantage of Rays (assuming you live close enough to take
advantage of it) is the fact that they let you guys ride in there. What
a treat! I did not know such places existed at all, but to find one that
welcomes crazy guys on Cokers, that's truly a gift.

Now to find a similar place in Northern CA...


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GILD wrote:
> *no, i don't find it (nastily) discriminatory in the least
> i think it's quaint
> one those odd things that people are going to try n figure out the
> origin of, 10 years from now
> when (providing the idea sticks) we can have a good laugh at the
> theories the commentators come up with to explain the terms
> i mention commentators because it suddenly struck me this morning that
> this is possibly the discipline to break into the 'XTreem' shows and
> festivals
> thoughts?
>
> following the natural progression from 'Pilots' thru 'Jockeys', i
> guess the 24/26" riders might be known as 'Runners'?
>
> [edit] the pics u posted don't seem to want to display
> is anyone else having the same problem? *

I’m glad you like my idea for giving names to the riders of the various
wheel size classes for Rolling Trials. I really like both names that you
came up with for the other two classes, thus we currently have:

“Pilots” (36” class)
“Jockeys” (28”/29” class)
“Runners” (24”/26” class)

I don’t know whether the other members of the forum (other than the one
who already voiced his opinion on the matter) think this is a cool idea
or a dumb idea… but I would be interested to know. Having come up with
the concept, I obviously think it’s a cool, fun idea. I agree with GILD
and can almost here the commentators announcing, “First up are the
Runners” and then: “here come the Jockeys”! Regarding Rolling Trials for
the X Games (and other Extreme Events)… nothing would make me happier! I
believe that if the sport does gain a decent number of participants that
once the skill level increases and the Pilots/Jockeys/(and possibly
Runners) are able to clean obstacles that are bigger and more extreme,
the sport could have X Games type appeal. Though Dave Lowell did a great
job with the camera, I believe that even the obstacles that I rode at
Rays on my video would look a lot more impressive and exciting with
various different camera angles, including wide angle close-ups, shots
from down below (ground level) and other types of angles that show the
speed and the acceleration up the obstacle from a closer view. That type
of camera work with riders that are much more skilled than I am can take
this sport to the X-Games, in my opinion. I realize that a large
percentage of my fellow forum members probably don’t agree with me… but
perhaps you should hold off on making a final judgement until you have
seen skilled riders participating in the sport in person, or at the very
least… a video of the sport that was professionally shot and edited. Of
course, I’d love to hear any and all opinions… whether you agree with me
or not!
Andrew (HCR)

_GILD:_ I have no idea why you can’t see the new pictures I posted (with
the lines drawn in)!




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HardcoreCokerRider wrote:
> *
> _GILD:_ I have no idea why you can’t see the new pictures I posted
> (with the lines drawn in) *
i think i've traced it to a problem with my Crazy Browser
since no-one else commented, i can only assume that the pics must
display normally and the problem is limited to my browser
grrr

i'll get it sorted


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HardcoreCokerRider wrote:
> *That would be completely acceptable because it is not technically a
> hop. You are already airborne from your momentum so you can do with
> your wheel what you please while you're in the air! *


Would it not be difficult for others to know wether you are putting in
some extra pressure by stomping on the pedals when you go off something?
I'm sure that after a while it would feel natural to put in a rolling
hop to get more air. Why not allow rolling hops but not other hops? Not
that I have a coker or anything, but it sounds fun and you'd still have
the "flow". :)


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i don't think any action taken by the rider to increase the air gotten
will be seen as an infringement
if u go back to a earlier post, it's mentioned how important it is to
keep the rules simple so that they can be enforced without the need for
highly trained, professional judges or the technology of super-slow-mo
cameras and the like
all of which u'll need to pick up the kind of 'rolling hop
transgression' i think u're describing

if u want to stomp down on your pedals just as u're coming off a lip at
the top of a ramp sitting atop a 36" wheel, then i say more power to u


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> -Originally posted by johnfoss-
> *The other big advantage of Rays (assuming you live close enough to
> take advantage of it) is the fact that they let you guys ride in
> there. What a treat! I did not know such places existed at all, but to
> find one that welcomes crazy guys on Cokers, that's truly a gift.
>
> Now to find a similar place in Northern CA... *

Even if you don't live that close, Rays is worth the trip! If you have
the time to kill driving, that's one possibility (if you live in the
contintental US)... or with all the Internet travel sites and fierce
competition amongst the airlines, you may very well be able to purchase
an airline ticket for a low price. I was EXTREMELY psyched when I first
found out about the place... but I knew that was only half of the
equation! Would they allow uni's? You're 100% right, John... we are
quite fortunate that these guys are very unicycle friendly... it could
have very easily worked out quite differently for us.

By the way, I recently read a post on an MTB forum that was talking
about Rays and one of the members commented that he didn't think Rays
would be around for too long... he figures as soon as someone gets badly
hurt and some lawyer smells the lawsuit $$$, it's all over (despite the
fact that you have to sign a waiver before you can ride releasing them
of any responsibility if you hurt or kill yourself while you're riding
there). I wonder if this guy's point is valid? It seems like it could
be, in which case it would be wise to get to Rays sooner rather than
later.

I don't think you'll find a place that is too similar in California
because Rays is supposedly the first (and as of the present time) the
ONLY indoor MTB park in the world! If the liability problem isn't a
problem and doesn't become a problem, then I would expect that more
places like Rays will start to pop up all over the place. Ray already
told me that some guys from NY talked to him about establishing an
indoor MTB park in NY... that would be awesome for me... especially if
it were in a dome type facility (with no beams to smash my head into)!


> -Originally posted by GILD-
> *i don't think any action taken by the rider to increase the air
> gotten will be seen as an infringement
> if u go back to a earlier post, it's mentioned how important it is to
> keep the rules simple so that they can be enforced without the need
> for highly trained, professional judges or the technology of
> super-slow-mo cameras and the like all of which u'll need to pick up
> the kind of 'rolling hop transgression' i think u're describing
>
> if u want to stomp down on your pedals just as u're coming off a lip
> at the top of a ramp sitting atop a 36" wheel, then i say more power
> to u*

I agree with GILD, 100%, on all accounts!




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HardcoreCokerRider wrote:
> *I agree with GILD, 100%, on all accounts! *
someone agrees with me?!?
no wonder people are snowed in.
;)


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I recently spoke to Dave Lowell about his trip back to Rays with Jeff
Prosa... who also rode his 24" MUni at the park. Dave informed me that
both he and Jeff had an amazing time riding the Sections, something Dave
told me Jeff referred to as "flow riding" (if I'm not mistaken). Dave
said Jeff was able to ride a wide variety of Sections and obstacles,
though apparently he couldn't get over some of the steeper ramps/jumps
on the 24", as I had suspected. I heard that he was able to get up the
big ramp (the one where I hit my head on the ceiling beam) pretty easily
on his 24", however. All in all it sounded like the 24" could definitely
handle a wide assortment of obstacles/Sections, making Rolling Trials on
those wheel-size classes totally viable and incredibly fun (from what I
heard)!

Since the smaller wheel size classes can handle certain obstacles (such
as skinnies and many other types of obstacles) much more easily than a
Coker, and a Coker can handle other obstacles that are extremely
difficult (or possibly impossible) on the smaller wheel uni's, Rolling
Trials courses will be specifically designed for each wheel-size class,
including the "Unlimited" class... which should have an equal number of
Sections that are:

1. easy on the smaller wheel uni's/difficult on the Cokers
2. easy on the Cokers/difficult on the smaller wheel uni's

I will be organizing the first Rolling Trials competition at Rays the
weekend of Brians video release/ride party... I'd like it to be on
Saturday the 19th (possibly in the late afternoon or evening). I would
like to find out when everyone will be arriving and what size uni's
they'll be riding. I'll post a message under Brian's thread: "TWNR US
Release: Updated Info" asking for this info from everyone who will be
attending, so if you're interested in participating in the "First Annual
HCR Invitational" (everyone's invited) Rolling Trials competition,
please let me know when you'll be arriving and what you'll be riding.
Thanks a lot! I really look forward to meeting everyone!
Andrew (HCR)


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