Science Proves Mountain Biking Is More Harmful Than Hiking



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Mike Vandeman

Guest
The Impacts of Mountain Biking on Wildlife and People --
A Review of the Literature
Michael J. Vandeman, Ph.D.
July 3, 2004

"Every recreationist -- whether hiker, biker, horsepacker, or posey sniffer --
should not begin by asking, 'What's best for ME?' but rather 'What's best for
the bears?'" Tom Butler
"Will we keep some parts of the American landscape natural and wild and free --
or must every acre be easily accessible to people and their toys? … Mountain
bikes' impacts on the land are large and getting worse. … The aggressive push of
mountain bike organizations to build ever-growing webs of trails poses serious
problems of habitat fragmentation, increased erosion, and wildlife conflicts.
As interest in extreme riding continues to grow, as trail networks
burgeon, and as new technology makes it possible for ever-more mountain
bicyclists to participate, even the most remote wild landscapes may become
trammeled -- and trampled -- by knobby tires. … The destruction of wilderness
and the fragmentation of habitats and ecosystems is death by a thousand cuts.
Will introduction of mountain bikes -- and their penetration farther into
wilderness -- promote additional fragmentation and human conflicts with the
natural world? Yes." Brian O'Donnell and Michael Carroll
"Some things are obvious: mountain bikes do more damage to the land than hikers.
To think otherwise ignores the story told by the ground. Although I have never
ridden a mountain bike, I am very familiar with their impacts. For the last
seven years I have regularly run three to six miles several times a week on a
network of trails in the Sandia Mountain foothills two blocks from my home. …
These trails receive use from walkers, runners, and mountain bikers; they are
closed to motorized vehicles.
Because I'm clumsy, I keep my eyes on the trail in front of me. I run or
walk in all seasons, in all kinds of weather. I have watched the growing erosion
on these trails from mountain bike use. The basic difference between feet and
tires is that tire tracks are continuous and foot tracks are discontinuous.
Water finds that narrow, continuous tire tracks are a rill in which to flow.
Also, because many mountain bikers are after thrills and speed, their tires cut
into the ground. Slamming on the brakes after zooming downhill, sliding around
sharp corners, and digging in to go uphill: I see the results of this behavior
weekly. …
I regularly see mountain bikers cutting off cross-country, even on steep
slopes, for more of a challenge. They seem blind and deaf to the damage they
cause. Admittedly, backpackers and horsepackers can cause damage to wilderness
trails. But this is a poor argument to suggest that we add another source of
damage to those trails." Dave Foreman

"Studies show that bike impacts are similar to those of other non-motorized
trail users." Jim Hasenauer (professor of rhetoric and member of the board of
directors of the International Mountain Bicyclists Association)

Introduction:

I first became interested in the problem of mountain biking in 1994. I
had been studying the impacts of the presence of humans on wildlife, and had
come to the conclusion that there needs to be habitat that is entirely
off-limits to humans, in order that wildlife that is sensitive to the presence
of humans can survive (see Vandeman, 2000). But what is the best way to minimize
the presence of people? Restricting human access is repugnant, and difficult and
expensive to accomplish. It occurred to me that the best way to reduce the
presence and impacts of humans is to restrict the technologies that they are
allowed to utilize in nature: e.g. prohibit bicycles and other vehicles (and
perhaps even domesticated animals, when used as vehicles).

Having been a transportation activist for eight years (working on
stopping highway construction), and having a favorable view of my fellow
bicyclists as environmentalists, I turned to them to help me campaign to keep
bicycles out of natural areas. Was I ever surprised! I discovered that many
bicyclists (e.g. many mountain bikers) aren't environmentalists at all, but are
simply people who like to bicycle -- in the case of mountain bikers, many of
them just use nature, as a kind of playground or outdoor gymnasium! (Of course,
there are also hikers, equestrians, and other recreationists who fall into this
category.) To my suggestion to keep bikes off of trails in order to protect
wildlife, they reacted with hostility! (There is a degree of balkanization among
activists, where some transportation activists ignore the needs of wildlife, and
some wildlife activists eschew bikes and public transit.)

In 1994 I attended a public hearing held by the East Bay Municipal
Utility (water) District to decide whether to allow bikes on their watershed
lands. Mountain bikers were there asking for bike access, and the Sierra Club
was there to retain the right to hike, while keeping out the bicycles. I said
that I had no interest in using the watershed, but that I wanted to ensure that
the wildlife are protected -- hence, I asked that bikes not be allowed.
Afterward, the EBMUD Board of Directors took a field trip to Marin County, the
birthplace of mountain biking, to see the effects of mountain biking there.
While they were hiking along a narrow trail, a mountain biker came racing by,
swearing at them for not getting out of his way fast enough. That helped them
decide to ban bikes. Today bikes are still restricted to paved roads, and EBMUD
is still one of the public agencies most protective of wildlife.

It is obvious that mountain biking is harmful to some wildlife and
people. No one, even mountain bikers, tries to deny that. Bikes create V-shaped
ruts in trails, throw dirt to the outside on turns, crush small plants and
animals on and under the trail, facilitate increased levels of human access into
wildlife habitat, and drive other trail users (many of whom are seeking the
tranquility and primitiveness of natural surroundings) out of the parks. Because
land managers were starting to ban bikes from trails, the mountain bikers
decided to try to shift the battlefield to science, and try to convince people
that mountain biking is no more harmful than hiking. But there are two problems
with this approach: (1) it's not true, and (2) it's irrelevant.

I will examine (1) in a moment. But first, let's look at relevance:
whether or not hiking (or All Terrain Vehicles or urban sprawl or anything else)
is harmful really has no bearing on whether mountain biking is harmful: they are
independent questions. Such a comparison would only be relevant if one were
committed to allowing only one activity or the other, and wanted to know which
is more harmful. In reality, hiking is always allowed, and the question is
whether to add mountain biking as a permitted activity. In that case, the only
relevant question is: Is mountain biking harmful? Of course, it is. However,
since many people seem interested in the outcome of the comparison, I will
examine the research and try to answer it.

The mountain bikers' other line of research aims to prove that mountain
bikers are just like hikers, implying that they should have the same privileges
as hikers. (Of course, they already have the same privileges! The exact same
rules apply to both groups: both are allowed to hike everywhere, and neither is
allowed to bring a bike where they aren't allowed.) Using surveys, they have
tried to show that mountain bikers are really environmentalists, lovers of
nature, and deep ecologists. Of course, surveys are notoriously unreliable:
statements of belief don't easily translate into behavior. I'm going to ignore
this research, since I am (and the wildlife are) more interested in actual
impacts, not intentions.

The International Mountain Biking Association (IMBA) has done me the
favor of collecting all the research they could find that seemed favorable to
mountain biking. Gary Sprung (2004) summarized it in his carefully worded essay,
"Natural Resource Impacts of Mountain Biking". Gary says "the empirical studies
thus far do not support the notion that bikes cause more natural resource
impact". I will show that this is not true; in fact, those studies, if their
data are interpreted properly, show the exact opposite: that mountain biking has
much greater impact than hiking! Gary says that we should make "make rational,
non-arbitrary, less political decisions regarding which groups are allowed on
particular routes". This is disingenuous. Mountain bikers (but not bikes) are
already allowed on every trail.

Impacts on Soil (Erosion):

Gary says "No scientific studies show that mountain bikers cause more
wear to trails than other users". He cites Wilson and Seney (1994) and claims
that "hooves and feet erode more than wheels. … Wilson and Seney found no
statistically significant difference between measured bicycling and hiking
effects". He quotes the study: "Horses and hikers (hooves and feet) made more
sediment available than wheels (motorcycles and off-road bicycles) on prewetted
trails" (p.74).

This study is frequently cited by mountain bikers as proof that mountain
biking doesn't cause more impact than hiking. But it has a number of defects
that call its conclusions into question. The authors used a "rainfall simulator"
to measure "sediment made available" by the various treatments. They
"[collected] surface runoff and sediment yield produced by the simulated
rainstorms at the downslope end of each plot", which they claim "correlates with
erosion" (they don't say what the correlation coefficient is). This doesn't seem
like a good measure of erosion. For example, if a large rock were dislodged, the
very weak "simulated rainfall" wouldn't be capable of transporting it into the
collecting tray; only very fine particles would be collected. In fact, they
admit that the simulator's "small size … meant that the kinetic energy of the
simulated rainfall events was roughly one-third that of natural rainstorms".
Another reason to suspect that the measurements aren't valid is that "none of
the relationships between water runoff and soil texture, slope, antecedent soil
moisture, trail roughness, and soil resistance was statistically significant".

The authors also ignored the relative distances that various trail users
typically travel (for example, bikers generally travel several times as far as
hikers, multiplying their impacts accordingly) and the additional impacts due to
the mountain bike bringing new people to the trails that otherwise would not
have been there (the same omission is true of all other studies, except Wisdom
et al (2004)). They do say "Trail use in the last ten years has seen a dramatic
increase in off-road bicycles" (p.86), but they don't incorporate this fact into
their comparison. In addition, there is no recognition of different styles of
riding and their effect on erosion. We don't know if the mountain bikers rode in
representative fashion, or, more likely, rode more gently, with less skidding,
acceleration, braking, and turning. There was also no recognition that soil
displaced sideways (rather than downhill) also constitutes erosion damage. It
seems likely that they underestimated the true impacts of mountain biking. I
don't think that these results are reliable. (Note that the study was partially
funded by IMBA.)

Gary next cited Chiu ([email protected]) and Kriwoken
([email protected]), claiming that there was "no significant difference
between hiking and biking trail wear". I wasn't able to acquire this study, but
it is apparent from Gary's description of it that he (and perhaps the authors)
misstated the conclusions. If we assume, as they claim, that bikers and hikers
have the same impact per mile (which is what they measured), then it follows
that mountain bikers have several times the impact of hikers, since they
generally travel several times as far. (I haven't found any published
statistics, but I have informally collected 72 mountain bikers' ride
announcements, which advertise rides of a minimum of 8 miles, an average of 27
miles, and a maximum of 112 miles.)

Impacts on Plants:

Gary says "No scientific studies indicate that bicycling causes more
degradation of plants than hiking. Trails are places primarily devoid of
vegetation, so for trail use in the center of existing paths, impacts to
vegetation are not a concern." However this is a concern for plants that try to
establish themselves in the trail, and for roots that cross the trail and end up
being killed or damaged.

He cites Thurston and Reader (2001), claiming that "hiking and bicycling
trample vegetation at equal rates … the impacts of biking and hiking measured
here were not significantly different". Actually, that is not true. Although
overall impacts weren't significantly different, "soil exposure [was] greater on
biking 500 pass lanes than hiking 500 pass lanes" (p.404). In other words, after
500 passes, mountain biking began to show significantly greater impacts. Thus
their conclusion, "the impacts of biking and hiking measured here were not
significantly different" (p.405) is unwarranted.

The authors said "Bikers traveled at a moderate speed, usually allowing
bicycles to roll down lanes without pedaling where the slope would allow." Thus
it would appear that the mountain biking that they measured is not
representative: it was unusually slow and didn't include much opportunity for
braking, accelerating, or turning, where greater impacts would be expected to
occur.

The authors also said "Some hikers feel that bikers should be excluded
from existing trails" (p.397). Of course, this is not true. Hikers are only
asking that bikes be excluded, not bikers. On page 407 they admit the
"possibility … that mountain bikers simply contribute further to the overuse of
trails". In other words, allowing bikes on trails allows trail use to increase
over what it would be if bikes weren't allowed. This is probably true, and
deserves to be recognized and researched.

They found that "One year following treatments, neither vegetation loss
nor species loss was significantly greater on treated lanes than on control
lanes" (p.406). They conclude that the recreation impacts are "short-term", and
experience "rapid recovery". This is unjustified. Killing plants and destroying
seeds modifies the gene pool, and introduces human-caused loss of genetic
diversity, and evolution. Dead plants and lost genetic diversity do not
"recover" (see Vandeman, 2001).

However, the greatest defect of the study and its interpretation is that
is that it doesn't consider the distance that bikers travel. Even if we accepted
their conclusions that impacts per mile are the same, it would follow that
mountain bikers have several times the impact of hikers, since they are easily
able to, and do, travel several times as far as hikers. Try walking 25 or 50 or
100 miles in a day!

Impacts on Animals:

Gary cites Taylor and Knight (1993), claiming that "hiking and biking
cause [the] same impact to large mammals on Utah island". First, as noted by
Wisdom et al (2004), this study lacked a control group, and hence can't infer
causation. Second, the authors made the same mistake that all other researchers
made: they ignored the different distances that hikers and bikers travel. I also
wonder how realistic it was to have all recreationists continue past the animals
without stopping to look at them. (All of those researchers also failed to
implement blind measurement and analysis: the researchers were aware, as they
were measuring, which treatment they were testing. Only Wisdom et al were able
to carry out their measurements (electronically) without any people even being
present.)

This is a very informative paper. The authors "examined the responses of
bison …, mule deer …, and pronghorn antelope … to hikers and mountain bikers …
by comparing alert distance, flight distance, and distance moved" (p.951). They
noted, significantly, that "Outdoor recreation has the potential to disturb
wildlife, resulting in energetic costs, impacts to animals' behavior and
fitness, and avoidance of otherwise suitable habitat. … outdoor recreation is
the second leading cause for the decline of federally threatened and endangered
species on public lands" (p.951). They also noted that "Mountain biking in
particular is one of the fastest-growing outdoor activities, with 43.3 million
persons participating at least once in 2000" (p.952). However, they didn't draw
on this fact when they concluded "We found no biological justification for
managing mountain biking any differently than hiking" (p.961).

The authors also surveyed the recreationists, and found that they
"failed to perceive that they were having as great an effect on wildlife as our
biological data indicated. Most recreationists felt that it was acceptable to
approach wildlife at a much closer distance (mean acceptable distance to
approach = 59.0 m) than wildlife in our experimental trials would typically
allow a human to approach (mean flight distance of all species = 150.6 m). … Of
all visitors surveyed, 46%, 53%, and 54%, respectively, felt that bison, deer,
and pronghorn were being negatively affected by recreation on Antelope Island. …
Visitors expressed little support for allowing only one type of recreational use
on island trails, having fewer trails on the island, for requiring visitors to
watch an educational video about the effects of recreation on wildlife, and for
allowing recreation only on the north (developed) end of the island" (p.957).
(Gary Sprung omitted this information from his summary.)

They noted that the wildlife might habituate to the presence of humans,
but that exactly the opposite happened with the pronghorn: they "in fact used
areas that were significantly farther from trails than they had prior to the
start of recreational use on the island" (p.961). They also noted: "Because
flushing from recreational activity may come at the cost of energy needed for
normal survival, growth, and reproduction …, and because it may cause animals to
 
Mike Vandeman wrote:

{42 KB's worth of hot air and cat scat}

Did you say something?

Bill "bwahaahhahahahahahahahahahha" S.
 
On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 00:42:55 GMT, "S o r n i" <[email protected]> wrote:

..Mike Vandeman wrote:
..
..{42 KB's worth of hot air and cat scat}
..
..Did you say something?
..
..Bill "bwahaahhahahahahahahahahahha" S.

Thanks for proving that mountain bikers aren't interested in FACT.
===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
 
On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 00:02:31 GMT, Mike Vandeman <[email protected]>
wrote (more or less):
....
>Was I ever surprised! I discovered that many
>bicyclists (e.g. many mountain bikers) aren't environmentalists at all, but are
>simply people who like to bicycle

....

Why on earth did this surprise you?

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"Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> The Impacts of Mountain Biking on Wildlife and People --
> A Review of the Literature
> Michael J. Vandeman, Ph.D.
> July 3, 2004
>
> "Every recreationist -- whether hiker, biker, horsepacker, or posey

sniffer --
> should not begin by asking, 'What's best for ME?' but rather 'What's best

for
> the bears?'" Tom Butler
> "Will we keep some parts of the American landscape natural and wild and

free --
> or must every acre be easily accessible to people and their toys? .

Mountain
> bikes' impacts on the land are large and getting worse. . The aggressive

push of
> mountain bike organizations to build ever-growing webs of trails poses

serious
> problems of habitat fragmentation, increased erosion, and wildlife

conflicts.
> As interest in extreme riding continues to grow, as trail networks
> burgeon, and as new technology makes it possible for ever-more mountain
> bicyclists to participate, even the most remote wild landscapes may become
> trammeled -- and trampled -- by knobby tires. . The destruction of

wilderness
> and the fragmentation of habitats and ecosystems is death by a thousand

cuts.
> Will introduction of mountain bikes -- and their penetration farther into
> wilderness -- promote additional fragmentation and human conflicts with

the
> natural world? Yes." Brian O'Donnell and Michael Carroll
> "Some things are obvious: mountain bikes do more damage to the land than

hikers.
> To think otherwise ignores the story told by the ground. Although I have

never
> ridden a mountain bike, I am very familiar with their impacts. For the

last
> seven years I have regularly run three to six miles several times a week

on a
> network of trails in the Sandia Mountain foothills two blocks from my

home. .
> These trails receive use from walkers, runners, and mountain bikers; they

are
> closed to motorized vehicles.
> Because I'm clumsy, I keep my eyes on the trail in front of me. I run or
> walk in all seasons, in all kinds of weather. I have watched the growing

erosion
> on these trails from mountain bike use. The basic difference between feet

and
> tires is that tire tracks are continuous and foot tracks are

discontinuous.
> Water finds that narrow, continuous tire tracks are a rill in which to

flow.
> Also, because many mountain bikers are after thrills and speed, their

tires cut
> into the ground. Slamming on the brakes after zooming downhill, sliding

around
> sharp corners, and digging in to go uphill: I see the results of this

behavior
> weekly. .
> I regularly see mountain bikers cutting off cross-country, even on steep
> slopes, for more of a challenge. They seem blind and deaf to the damage

they
> cause. Admittedly, backpackers and horsepackers can cause damage to

wilderness
> trails. But this is a poor argument to suggest that we add another source

of
> damage to those trails." Dave Foreman
>
> "Studies show that bike impacts are similar to those of other

non-motorized
> trail users." Jim Hasenauer (professor of rhetoric and member of the board

of
> directors of the International Mountain Bicyclists Association)
>
> Introduction:
>
> I first became interested in the problem of mountain biking in 1994. I
> had been studying the impacts of the presence of humans on wildlife, and

had
> come to the conclusion that there needs to be habitat that is entirely
> off-limits to humans, in order that wildlife that is sensitive to the

presence
> of humans can survive (see Vandeman, 2000). But what is the best way to

minimize
> the presence of people? Restricting human access is repugnant, and

difficult and
> expensive to accomplish. It occurred to me that the best way to reduce the
> presence and impacts of humans is to restrict the technologies that they

are
> allowed to utilize in nature: e.g. prohibit bicycles and other vehicles

(and
> perhaps even domesticated animals, when used as vehicles).
>
> Having been a transportation activist for eight years (working on
> stopping highway construction), and having a favorable view of my fellow
> bicyclists as environmentalists, I turned to them to help me campaign to

keep
> bicycles out of natural areas. Was I ever surprised! I discovered that

many
> bicyclists (e.g. many mountain bikers) aren't environmentalists at all,

but are
> simply people who like to bicycle -- in the case of mountain bikers, many

of
> them just use nature, as a kind of playground or outdoor gymnasium! (Of

course,
> there are also hikers, equestrians, and other recreationists who fall into

this
> category.) To my suggestion to keep bikes off of trails in order to

protect
> wildlife, they reacted with hostility! (There is a degree of balkanization

among
> activists, where some transportation activists ignore the needs of

wildlife, and
> some wildlife activists eschew bikes and public transit.)
>
> In 1994 I attended a public hearing held by the East Bay Municipal
> Utility (water) District to decide whether to allow bikes on their

watershed
> lands. Mountain bikers were there asking for bike access, and the Sierra

Club
> was there to retain the right to hike, while keeping out the bicycles. I

said
> that I had no interest in using the watershed, but that I wanted to ensure

that
> the wildlife are protected -- hence, I asked that bikes not be allowed.
> Afterward, the EBMUD Board of Directors took a field trip to Marin County,

the
> birthplace of mountain biking, to see the effects of mountain biking

there.
> While they were hiking along a narrow trail, a mountain biker came racing

by,
> swearing at them for not getting out of his way fast enough. That helped

them
> decide to ban bikes. Today bikes are still restricted to paved roads, and

EBMUD
> is still one of the public agencies most protective of wildlife.
>
> It is obvious that mountain biking is harmful to some wildlife and
> people. No one, even mountain bikers, tries to deny that. Bikes create

V-shaped
> ruts in trails, throw dirt to the outside on turns, crush small plants and
> animals on and under the trail, facilitate increased levels of human

access into
> wildlife habitat, and drive other trail users (many of whom are seeking

the
> tranquility and primitiveness of natural surroundings) out of the parks.

Because
> land managers were starting to ban bikes from trails, the mountain bikers
> decided to try to shift the battlefield to science, and try to convince

people
> that mountain biking is no more harmful than hiking. But there are two

problems
> with this approach: (1) it's not true, and (2) it's irrelevant.
>
> I will examine (1) in a moment. But first, let's look at relevance:
> whether or not hiking (or All Terrain Vehicles or urban sprawl or anything

else)
> is harmful really has no bearing on whether mountain biking is harmful:

they are
> independent questions. Such a comparison would only be relevant if one

were
> committed to allowing only one activity or the other, and wanted to know

which
> is more harmful. In reality, hiking is always allowed, and the question is
> whether to add mountain biking as a permitted activity. In that case, the

only
> relevant question is: Is mountain biking harmful? Of course, it is.

However,
> since many people seem interested in the outcome of the comparison, I will
> examine the research and try to answer it.
>
> The mountain bikers' other line of research aims to prove that mountain
> bikers are just like hikers, implying that they should have the same

privileges
> as hikers. (Of course, they already have the same privileges! The exact

same
> rules apply to both groups: both are allowed to hike everywhere, and

neither is
> allowed to bring a bike where they aren't allowed.) Using surveys, they

have
> tried to show that mountain bikers are really environmentalists, lovers of
> nature, and deep ecologists. Of course, surveys are notoriously

unreliable:
> statements of belief don't easily translate into behavior. I'm going to

ignore
> this research, since I am (and the wildlife are) more interested in actual
> impacts, not intentions.
>
> The International Mountain Biking Association (IMBA) has done me the
> favor of collecting all the research they could find that seemed favorable

to
> mountain biking. Gary Sprung (2004) summarized it in his carefully worded

essay,
> "Natural Resource Impacts of Mountain Biking". Gary says "the empirical

studies
> thus far do not support the notion that bikes cause more natural resource
> impact". I will show that this is not true; in fact, those studies, if

their
> data are interpreted properly, show the exact opposite: that mountain

biking has
> much greater impact than hiking! Gary says that we should make "make

rational,
> non-arbitrary, less political decisions regarding which groups are allowed

on
> particular routes". This is disingenuous. Mountain bikers (but not bikes)

are
> already allowed on every trail.
>
> Impacts on Soil (Erosion):
>
> Gary says "No scientific studies show that mountain bikers cause more
> wear to trails than other users". He cites Wilson and Seney (1994) and

claims
> that "hooves and feet erode more than wheels. . Wilson and Seney found no
> statistically significant difference between measured bicycling and hiking
> effects". He quotes the study: "Horses and hikers (hooves and feet) made

more
> sediment available than wheels (motorcycles and off-road bicycles) on

prewetted
> trails" (p.74).
>
> This study is frequently cited by mountain bikers as proof that mountain
> biking doesn't cause more impact than hiking. But it has a number of

defects
> that call its conclusions into question. The authors used a "rainfall

simulator"
> to measure "sediment made available" by the various treatments. They
> "[collected] surface runoff and sediment yield produced by the simulated
> rainstorms at the downslope end of each plot", which they claim

"correlates with
> erosion" (they don't say what the correlation coefficient is). This

doesn't seem
> like a good measure of erosion. For example, if a large rock were

dislodged, the
> very weak "simulated rainfall" wouldn't be capable of transporting it into

the
> collecting tray; only very fine particles would be collected. In fact,

they
> admit that the simulator's "small size . meant that the kinetic energy of

the
> simulated rainfall events was roughly one-third that of natural

rainstorms".
> Another reason to suspect that the measurements aren't valid is that "none

of
> the relationships between water runoff and soil texture, slope, antecedent

soil
> moisture, trail roughness, and soil resistance was statistically

significant".
>
> The authors also ignored the relative distances that various trail users
> typically travel (for example, bikers generally travel several times as

far as
> hikers, multiplying their impacts accordingly) and the additional impacts

due to
> the mountain bike bringing new people to the trails that otherwise would

not
> have been there (the same omission is true of all other studies, except

Wisdom
> et al (2004)). They do say "Trail use in the last ten years has seen a

dramatic
> increase in off-road bicycles" (p.86), but they don't incorporate this

fact into
> their comparison. In addition, there is no recognition of different styles

of
> riding and their effect on erosion. We don't know if the mountain bikers

rode in
> representative fashion, or, more likely, rode more gently, with less

skidding,
> acceleration, braking, and turning. There was also no recognition that

soil
> displaced sideways (rather than downhill) also constitutes erosion damage.

It
 
TJ wrote:
> "Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> The Impacts of Mountain Biking on Wildlife and People --
>> A Review of My Insanity


{*SNIPPED!!!!!!!!!!!!*)

> That is why I sold my mountain bikes and bought a pinzguaer. I have
> found that If I make fresh tracks in the meadows that all the other
> vehicles follow my tracks. 4 more years of George Bush.


YOU LEFT 42 KBs OF VANDEDRIVEL JUST TO ADD THIS?!? DON'T YOU KNOW HOW TO
TRIM???

Bill "simply astounded" S.
 
Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> writes:

>On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 00:42:55 GMT, "S o r n i" <[email protected]> wrote:


>>Mike Vandeman wrote:


>>{42 KB's worth of hot air and cat scat}


>>Did you say something?


>>Bill "bwahaahhahahahahahahahahahha" S.


>Thanks for proving that mountain bikers aren't interested in FACT.


You and facts have been estranged for a long time, Mike...and this mountain
biker will be out doing 100 km or so around the south and west fringes of
Houston today. (I'm not paying $1.85 a gallon. You are. Have fun.)

--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey ([email protected]) Houston, Texas
www.chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2003-04 Houston Aeros)
 
Wow, that was a really ****-poor essay.

Formal writing ... does not -- I repeat, does not -- have to be ...
punctuated with ... mental ellipses, Mr. Spock.



Mike Vandeman wrote:
<ellipses>
 
On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 06:07:27 GMT in
<[email protected]>, "S o r n i"
<[email protected]> graced the world with this thought:

>TJ wrote:
>
>{*SNIPPED!!!!!!!!!!!!*)
>
>> That is why I sold my mountain bikes and bought a pinzguaer. I have
>> found that If I make fresh tracks in the meadows that all the other
>> vehicles follow my tracks. 4 more years of George Bush.

>
>YOU LEFT 42 KBs OF VANDEDRIVEL JUST TO ADD THIS?!? DON'T YOU KNOW HOW TO
>TRIM???
>
>Bill "simply astounded" S.
>

Well, he wants to see Bush do four more years, so at least it's in
character.
 
Mike Vandeman wrote:
<large snip - perhaps a link would have been better mike?>

> ===
> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>



Mike,

Your stated desire is to create a human free wildlife environment, can
you explain to me why is it that you only seem to campaign against
mountain bikes?

A quick search in rec.backcountry for your name only brings up articles
that relate to mountain bikes.

Let us take a great leap and assume for the moment that you succeed in
your desire to ban mountain bikes from any area that you wish to class
as a wilderness. What will you do then? Will you start campaigning
against hikers? Will you turn on your allies and campaign for them to be
barred from these areas?

Your article and the articles it references do not seem to support the
argument that cycling is bad and hiking is good. They merely seem to
allow the argument that in some circumstances cycling is worse for the
environment than hiking, but that hiking is also bad. Some of the
referred articles also say that in some circumstances cycling is less
bad for the environment than hiking (Lathrop referring to Weaver 1978).
I know from personal experience the huge amounts of erosion that can be
caused by the human foot - you just have to witness the miles of made
trails that has been built in our national parks. The combined erosional
effect of thousands of boots has forced our national parks and
landowners to construct pavements and staircases up and down our mountains.


Adam
 
On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 03:54:20 -0500, "di" <[email protected]> wrote:

..
..?
..>
..> You didn't read it, did you? There are places you can learn to read, even
..after
..> you are too old for school.
..
..
..You don't have to read it to know what it says, just read the first
..paragraph or two and the credits at the end to know it's mostly BS composed
..by a group of idiots only interested in promoting their views on others.
..
..Besides why waste your time, we've heard it all many times on this NG.

It's nice to have a demonstration of how mountain bikers (don't) think! THANKS!

===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
 
On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 03:47:16 GMT, Gawnsoft
<[email protected]> wrote:

..On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 00:02:31 GMT, Mike Vandeman <[email protected]>
..wrote (more or less):
.....
..>Was I ever surprised! I discovered that many
..>bicyclists (e.g. many mountain bikers) aren't environmentalists at all, but are
..>simply people who like to bicycle
.....
..
..Why on earth did this surprise you?

Because I expect people to be more intelligent.
===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
 
On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 10:59:22 +0000, "@(none)" <""manos\"@(none)"> wrote:

..Wow, that was a really ****-poor essay.
..
..Formal writing ... does not -- I repeat, does not -- have to be ...
..punctuated with ... mental ellipses, Mr. Spock.

It does, when quoted text is omitted. DUH!

..Mike Vandeman wrote:
..<ellipses>

===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
 
On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 15:35:12 +0100, Adam H <[email protected]>
wrote:

..Mike Vandeman wrote:
..<large snip - perhaps a link would have been better mike?>
..
..> ===
..> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
..> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
..> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
..>
..
..
..Mike,
..
..Your stated desire is to create a human free wildlife environment, can
..you explain to me why is it that you only seem to campaign against
..mountain bikes?

You didn't READ it, did you? Not even the first paragraphs!

..A quick search in rec.backcountry for your name only brings up articles
..that relate to mountain bikes.

Have you ever read my signature, which is on every post? DUH!

..Let us take a great leap and assume for the moment that you succeed in
..your desire to ban mountain bikes from any area that you wish to class
..as a wilderness. What will you do then? Will you start campaigning
..against hikers? Will you turn on your allies and campaign for them to be
..barred from these areas?

I already am.

..Your article and the articles it references do not seem to support the
..argument that cycling is bad and hiking is good.

Because I never made that argument!

They merely seem to
..allow the argument that in some circumstances cycling is worse for the
..environment than hiking, but that hiking is also bad.

DUH!

Some of the
..referred articles also say that in some circumstances cycling is less
..bad for the environment than hiking (Lathrop referring to Weaver 1978).

No, there's no comparison between biking & hiking.

..I know from personal experience the huge amounts of erosion that can be
..caused by the human foot - you just have to witness the miles of made
..trails that has been built in our national parks. The combined erosional
..effect of thousands of boots has forced our national parks and
..landowners to construct pavements and staircases up and down our mountains.

Your point being?

..Adam

===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
 
Mike Vandeman wrote:

> On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 15:35:12 +0100, Adam H <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> .Mike Vandeman wrote:
> .<large snip - perhaps a link would have been better mike?>
> .
> .> ===
> .> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
> .> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
> .> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
> .>
> .
> .
> .Mike,
> .
> .Your stated desire is to create a human free wildlife environment, can
> .you explain to me why is it that you only seem to campaign against
> .mountain bikes?
>
> You didn't READ it, did you? Not even the first paragraphs!
>

I read a much higher percentage of your posting than you seem to have
done of mine.

> .A quick search in rec.backcountry for your name only brings up articles
> .that relate to mountain bikes.
>
> Have you ever read my signature, which is on every post? DUH!


LOOK at my posting - which part of your original post did I leave
intact? Clue: your sig. Why else would I make the comment I do in my
first paragraph? Now, can you answer my question?

>
> .Let us take a great leap and assume for the moment that you succeed in
> .your desire to ban mountain bikes from any area that you wish to class
> .as a wilderness. What will you do then? Will you start campaigning
> .against hikers? Will you turn on your allies and campaign for them to be
> .barred from these areas?
>
> I already am.


Can you provide google groups links to usenet posting you have made that
support this? Or indeed any evidence towards this.

>
> .Your article and the articles it references do not seem to support the
> .argument that cycling is bad and hiking is good.
>
> Because I never made that argument!


So you'll agree with me that hiking is bad for the environment.

Your opening quotes:
"Every recreationist -- whether hiker, biker, horsepacker, or posey
sniffer --should not begin by asking, 'What's best for ME?' but rather
'What's best for the bears?'" Tom Butler

"Admittedly, backpackers and horsepackers can cause damage to wilderness
trails. But this is a poor argument to suggest that we add another
source of damage to those trails." Dave Foreman

It seems to me an equally poor argument to focus solely on only one
human activity in the wilderness and try and push all of the blame onto
that activity. I think the main reason that you receive so much
criticism from the mountain biking community is because of your focus on
one small aspect of a much larger picture of human activity in
countryside areas.

Now I'm sure that many people have respect and sympathy for the concept
of a human free wilderness. The problem you create when attempting to
argue for it is in your focus on only one activity. That apparently
obsessive focus is what makes people write you off as a crank.



>
> They merely seem to
> .allow the argument that in some circumstances cycling is worse for the
> .environment than hiking, but that hiking is also bad.
>
> DUH!

A full a reasoned response - continue like this and you'll soon persuade
the world.

>
> Some of the
> .referred articles also say that in some circumstances cycling is less
> .bad for the environment than hiking (Lathrop referring to Weaver 1978).
>
> No, there's no comparison between biking & hiking.


Did you read the article that you referenced?

>
> .I know from personal experience the huge amounts of erosion that can be
> .caused by the human foot - you just have to witness the miles of made
> .trails that has been built in our national parks. The combined erosional
> .effect of thousands of boots has forced our national parks and
> .landowners to construct pavements and staircases up and down our mountains.
>
> Your point being?


See above.
 
"S o r n i" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> TJ wrote:
> > "Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> >> The Impacts of Mountain Biking on Wildlife and People --
> >> A Review of My Insanity

>
> {*SNIPPED!!!!!!!!!!!!*)
>
> > That is why I sold my mountain bikes and bought a pinzguaer. I have
> > found that If I make fresh tracks in the meadows that all the other
> > vehicles follow my tracks. 4 more years of George Bush.

>
> YOU LEFT 42 KBs OF VANDEDRIVEL JUST TO ADD THIS?!? DON'T YOU KNOW HOW TO
> TRIM???
>
> Bill "simply astounded" S.
>
>

I am still looking for the "any key". Sorry about the drivel.

TJ
 
What you're saying is that both activities are bad.
Dale

"TJ" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "S o r n i" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > TJ wrote:
> > > "Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > news:[email protected]...
> > >> The Impacts of Mountain Biking on Wildlife and People --
> > >> A Review of My Insanity

> >
> > {*SNIPPED!!!!!!!!!!!!*)
> >
> > > That is why I sold my mountain bikes and bought a pinzguaer. I have
> > > found that If I make fresh tracks in the meadows that all the other
> > > vehicles follow my tracks. 4 more years of George Bush.

> >
> > YOU LEFT 42 KBs OF VANDEDRIVEL JUST TO ADD THIS?!? DON'T YOU KNOW HOW

TO
> > TRIM???
> >
> > Bill "simply astounded" S.
> >
> >

> I am still looking for the "any key". Sorry about the drivel.
>
> TJ
>
>
 
On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 17:32:01 +0100, Adam H <[email protected]>
wrote:

..Mike Vandeman wrote:
..
..> On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 15:35:12 +0100, Adam H <[email protected]>
..> wrote:
..>
..> .Mike Vandeman wrote:
..> .<large snip - perhaps a link would have been better mike?>
..> .
..> .> ===
..> .> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
..> .> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
..> .> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
..> .>
..> .
..> .
..> .Mike,
..> .
..> .Your stated desire is to create a human free wildlife environment, can
..> .you explain to me why is it that you only seem to campaign against
..> .mountain bikes?
..>
..> You didn't READ it, did you? Not even the first paragraphs!
..>
..I read a much higher percentage of your posting than you seem to have
..done of mine.

But you didn't comprehend it.

..> .A quick search in rec.backcountry for your name only brings up articles
..> .that relate to mountain bikes.
..>
..> Have you ever read my signature, which is on every post? DUH!
..
..LOOK at my posting - which part of your original post did I leave
..intact? Clue: your sig. Why else would I make the comment I do in my
..first paragraph? Now, can you answer my question?

Read my signature. You didn't understand it, I guess.

..>
..> .Let us take a great leap and assume for the moment that you succeed in
..> .your desire to ban mountain bikes from any area that you wish to class
..> .as a wilderness. What will you do then? Will you start campaigning
..> .against hikers? Will you turn on your allies and campaign for them to be
..> .barred from these areas?
..>
..> I already am.
..
..Can you provide google groups links to usenet posting you have made that
..support this? Or indeed any evidence towards this.

Every post I have ever made. Read my signature.

..> .Your article and the articles it references do not seem to support the
..> .argument that cycling is bad and hiking is good.
..>
..> Because I never made that argument!
..
..So you'll agree with me that hiking is bad for the environment.
..
..Your opening quotes:
.."Every recreationist -- whether hiker, biker, horsepacker, or posey
..sniffer --should not begin by asking, 'What's best for ME?' but rather
..'What's best for the bears?'" Tom Butler
..
.."Admittedly, backpackers and horsepackers can cause damage to wilderness
..trails. But this is a poor argument to suggest that we add another
..source of damage to those trails." Dave Foreman
..
..It seems to me an equally poor argument to focus solely on only one
..human activity in the wilderness and try and push all of the blame onto
..that activity.

No one is doing that, liar. Stop trying to change the subject away from mountain
biking. That's what were here for: to discuss mountain biking.

I think the main reason that you receive so much
..criticism from the mountain biking community is because of your focus on
..one small aspect of a much larger picture of human activity in
..countryside areas.

Hmmm. Mountain bikers criticize me because they don't like me or anyone to tell
the truth about their selfish, destructive sport! Period!

..Now I'm sure that many people have respect and sympathy for the concept
..of a human free wilderness. The problem you create when attempting to
..argue for it is in your focus on only one activity. That apparently
..obsessive focus is what makes people write you off as a crank.

BS. You are simply trying to deflect criticism of mountain biking.

..>
..> They merely seem to
..> .allow the argument that in some circumstances cycling is worse for the
..> .environment than hiking, but that hiking is also bad.
..>
..> DUH!
..A full a reasoned response - continue like this and you'll soon persuade
..the world.
..
..>
..> Some of the
..> .referred articles also say that in some circumstances cycling is less
..> .bad for the environment than hiking (Lathrop referring to Weaver 1978).
..>
..> No, there's no comparison between biking & hiking.
..
..Did you read the article that you referenced?

Of course. Have you read all of my references?

..> .I know from personal experience the huge amounts of erosion that can be
..> .caused by the human foot - you just have to witness the miles of made
..> .trails that has been built in our national parks. The combined erosional
..> .effect of thousands of boots has forced our national parks and
..> .landowners to construct pavements and staircases up and down our mountains.
..>
..> Your point being?
..
..See above.

===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
 
On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 13:48:48 -0700, "Dale Peterson" <[email protected]>
wrote:

..What you're saying is that both activities are bad.

Yes, but that mountain biking is MUCH WORSE. Get it?

..Dale
..
.."TJ" <[email protected]> wrote in message
..news:[email protected]...
..>
..> "S o r n i" <[email protected]> wrote in message
..> news:[email protected]...
..> > TJ wrote:
..> > > "Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
..> > > news:[email protected]...
..> > >> The Impacts of Mountain Biking on Wildlife and People --
..> > >> A Review of My Insanity
..> >
..> > {*SNIPPED!!!!!!!!!!!!*)
..> >
..> > > That is why I sold my mountain bikes and bought a pinzguaer. I have
..> > > found that If I make fresh tracks in the meadows that all the other
..> > > vehicles follow my tracks. 4 more years of George Bush.
..> >
..> > YOU LEFT 42 KBs OF VANDEDRIVEL JUST TO ADD THIS?!? DON'T YOU KNOW HOW
..TO
..> > TRIM???
..> >
..> > Bill "simply astounded" S.
..> >
..> >
..> I am still looking for the "any key". Sorry about the drivel.
..>
..> TJ
..>
..>
..

===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
 
"Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 13:48:48 -0700, "Dale Peterson"

<[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> .What you're saying is that both activities are bad.
>
> Yes, but that mountain biking is MUCH WORSE. Get it?
>
> .Dale
> .
> ."TJ" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> .news:[email protected]...
> .>
> .> "S o r n i" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> .> news:[email protected]...
> .> > TJ wrote:
> .> > > "Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> .> > > news:[email protected]...
> .> > >> The Impacts of Mountain Biking on Wildlife and People --
> .> > >> A Review of My Insanity
> .> >
> .> > {*SNIPPED!!!!!!!!!!!!*)
> .> >
> .> > > That is why I sold my mountain bikes and bought a pinzguaer. I

have
> .> > > found that If I make fresh tracks in the meadows that all the other
> .> > > vehicles follow my tracks. 4 more years of George Bush.
> .> >
> .> > YOU LEFT 42 KBs OF VANDEDRIVEL JUST TO ADD THIS?!? DON'T YOU KNOW

HOW
> .TO
> .> > TRIM???
> .> >
> .> > Bill "simply astounded" S.
> .> >
> .> >
> .> I am still looking for the "any key". Sorry about the drivel.
> .>
> .> TJ
> .>
> .>
> .
>
> ===
> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>
> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande


If he "Got it" he would not be here in the news groups. Like every one
posting here, we all don't "get it" on a regular basis. If we did the
world would be a happier place. Why don't you try to ban alcohol and
promote weed or something worth while. At least weed make you mellow.
Remember the last time you smoked? How many stoners do you ever see
starting a bar fight?


TJ.