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"Tamyka Bell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Hi all,

I've put a post on my blog about starvation mode training. If you're
into nutrition and training methods, please feel free to read this post,
make a contribution, submit links, whatever; I'd greatly appreciate
anything you've got.

http://blindrapture.blogspot.com/

Have a good night, I'm off to work.

Tam

I've tried cutting carbs and sugar etc from the diet, going on a high
protein/moderate fat type diet.
I usually last about 3 days before my commute time increases by about 20
mins (it's normally about 50 mins) and i really cant be bothered riding and
even walking up stairs at work is a bit of an effort.

You might wanna check out bodybuilding forums (if such exist?) those ppl
will probably have trained with a low carb diet to drop bodyfat levels
before events but still be able to train everyday and retain muscle.

dej said:

I've tried cutting carbs and sugar etc from the diet, going on a high
protein/moderate fat type diet.
I usually last about 3 days before my commute time increases by about 20
mins (it's normally about 50 mins) and i really cant be bothered riding and
even walking up stairs at work is a bit of an effort.

You might wanna check out bodybuilding forums (if such exist?) those ppl
will probably have trained with a low carb diet to drop bodyfat levels
before events but still be able to train everyday and retain muscle.

Great suggestion def. Those types sure know a thing or two about how to train and sculpt the body. Just watch out for the unhealthy training that a lot of body builders go in for in the lead up to an event. Someone I once worked with a fews back was heavily into body building competition. He said that he knew he was ready to compete when he could actually notice (as in see) blood in his urine. Microscopic levels of blood in urine is potentially a very bad thing, let alone the amount that must be present to actually discolour the stuff. His theory was that the lack of protective fatty deposits around his kidneys resulted in a renal bleed, caused by just walking around with the muscle groups surrounding his kidneys smashing them into the skeletal structures nearby. And people think that pro-cyclists and triathletes train like psychos ... ....

monsterman said:

dej said:

I've tried cutting carbs and sugar etc from the diet, going on a high
protein/moderate fat type diet.
I usually last about 3 days before my commute time increases by about 20
mins (it's normally about 50 mins) and i really cant be bothered riding and
even walking up stairs at work is a bit of an effort.

You might wanna check out bodybuilding forums (if such exist?) those ppl
will probably have trained with a low carb diet to drop bodyfat levels
before events but still be able to train everyday and retain muscle.

Great suggestion def. Those types sure know a thing or two about how to train and sculpt the body. Just watch out for the unhealthy training that a lot of body builders go in for in the lead up to an event. Someone I once worked with a fews back was heavily into body building competition. He said that he knew he was ready to compete when he could actually notice (as in see) blood in his urine. Microscopic levels of blood in urine is potentially a very bad thing, let alone the amount that must be present to actually discolour the stuff. His theory was that the lack of protective fatty deposits around his kidneys resulted in a renal bleed, caused by just walking around with the muscle groups surrounding his kidneys smashing them into the skeletal structures nearby. And people think that pro-cyclists and triathletes train like psychos ... ....

No.... your blood tests were normal, doesn't mean you are normal... 🙂

"Tamyka Bell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Hi all,

I've put a post on my blog about starvation mode training. If you're
into nutrition and training methods, please feel free to read this post,
make a contribution, submit links, whatever; I'd greatly appreciate
anything you've got.

http://blindrapture.blogspot.com/

Have a good night, I'm off to work.

Tam

Be sure you stay in the air con at work so you don't melt......

I don't really apply much science to my diet.....I just eat heaps and try to
make sure that most of it is not too bad for me. Having said this, about 5
or 6 weeks ago I changed my daily "work lunch" from a couple of banana
sandwiches to a bowl of wild rice with a tin of flavoured tuna (I cook up
enough rice for five tupperware containers each weekend and put them in the
fridge). I have also stopped my usual habit of eating until I feel full and
have actually made myself feel hungry for an hour or so before I eat during
the day (this is a challenge at time as I used to eat before I felt hungry).
My motivation for this is to lose a few kilograms so that I can climb on the
bike a bit better and have a better shot at some enduro events. This
appears to be working as I am now down from about 101kg to just over 95kg
and I am definately starting to lose some fat from around my midsection.
This is the lightest I have been since I was playing footy about 3 years ago
when 95kg was about my "fighting weight". I am planning on getting down to
around the 92kg mark (I haven't weighed 92kg since the end of a 2-month
sub-unit PTI course back in 97 where we did about 4 PT sessions a day and
had to run everywhere).

I need to work out a better strategy for fuelling during endurance events
though before I have a crack at some solo ones. At the Gravity 12hr, my
riding partner and I were lapping at around the 50 min mark and although I
had a whole stack of packet rice and pasta to cook up, I found that by the
time I cooled down, cleaned and lubed the bike, stretched, etc I didn't have
time to cook it up. I was eating bananas, oranges, muesli bars, snakes
pretty well all day but I think I needed something with more salt content as
I ended up with pretty bad cramps. One of the guys at work who has done a
few enduro type events suggested that potato chips are an easy way of
getting salt into the body and they are not too heavy in your gut (sounds
like it might be worth a try).

With your proposed "starvation mode", I would have thought that the body
would go into the "famine mode" and actually stop using up fat as an energy
source??? I lean more towards your theory of just making sure that you get
enough carbs in to the body during the race.

Ride On,

Gags

Gags said:

With your proposed "starvation mode", I would have thought that the body
would go into the "famine mode" and actually stop using up fat as an energy
source??? I lean more towards your theory of just making sure that you get
enough carbs in to the body during the race.

It's called catabolism. You don't want it to happen. Your body burns
protein when it runs out of carbs - guess where that comes from?
Muscle ... That lovely muscle you've been building up to power you
along .. and you're smearing it all over the road.

Starvation training is bloody stupid.
Don't do it. As Tam says, we burn fat all the time anyway, and it's
just proportions that change. If you want to increase the amount of
fat you can use as an energy source, do more base miles. This
increases the enzymes that can use fat as fuel for muscles. Any
exercise physiologist will tell you this. There was an article about
this in Bicycling Australia last year I think (a well respected,
throroughly researched journal, that one ... urgh ...), and even that
managed to conclude that it was [censored].

It's one of those hairbrained fads like all protein diets and other
such stupidity.

There are no shortcuts. Do the miles.

Gags said:

"Tamyka Bell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Hi all,

I've put a post on my blog about starvation mode training. If you're
into nutrition and training methods, please feel free to read this post,
make a contribution, submit links, whatever; I'd greatly appreciate
anything you've got.

http://blindrapture.blogspot.com/

Have a good night, I'm off to work.

Tam

Be sure you stay in the air con at work so you don't melt......

I don't really apply much science to my diet.....I just eat heaps and try to
make sure that most of it is not too bad for me. Having said this, about 5
or 6 weeks ago I changed my daily "work lunch" from a couple of banana
sandwiches to a bowl of wild rice with a tin of flavoured tuna (I cook up
enough rice for five tupperware containers each weekend and put them in the
fridge). I have also stopped my usual habit of eating until I feel full and
have actually made myself feel hungry for an hour or so before I eat during
the day (this is a challenge at time as I used to eat before I felt hungry).
My motivation for this is to lose a few kilograms so that I can climb on the
bike a bit better and have a better shot at some enduro events. This
appears to be working as I am now down from about 101kg to just over 95kg
and I am definately starting to lose some fat from around my midsection.
This is the lightest I have been since I was playing footy about 3 years ago
when 95kg was about my "fighting weight". I am planning on getting down to
around the 92kg mark (I haven't weighed 92kg since the end of a 2-month
sub-unit PTI course back in 97 where we did about 4 PT sessions a day and
had to run everywhere).

I need to work out a better strategy for fuelling during endurance events
though before I have a crack at some solo ones. At the Gravity 12hr, my
riding partner and I were lapping at around the 50 min mark and although I
had a whole stack of packet rice and pasta to cook up, I found that by the
time I cooled down, cleaned and lubed the bike, stretched, etc I didn't have
time to cook it up. I was eating bananas, oranges, muesli bars, snakes
pretty well all day but I think I needed something with more salt content as
I ended up with pretty bad cramps. One of the guys at work who has done a
few enduro type events suggested that potato chips are an easy way of
getting salt into the body and they are not too heavy in your gut (sounds
like it might be worth a try).

With your proposed "starvation mode", I would have thought that the body
would go into the "famine mode" and actually stop using up fat as an energy
source??? I lean more towards your theory of just making sure that you get
enough carbs in to the body during the race.

Ride On,

Gags

Check this from the AIS for mtb fuelling:

ais.org.auFuelMtBike.pdfOpen ↗

There are also docs for a lot of other sports on their site.

For cramps, you could try magnesium tablets, bananas or tonic water or quinine tablets. Otherwise, try to get the mileage in the legs. I've got myself some magnesium tablets to try out the next time cramps could be an issue ie. the Kona. as I'm sure I want have enough training by then.

Dear Dr Bell,

Why am I always hungry?

Regards,
LotteBum

slaw said:

For cramps, you could try magnesium tablets, bananas or tonic water or
quinine tablets. Otherwise, try to get the mileage in the legs. I've
got myself some magnesium tablets to try out the next time cramps could
be an issue ie. the Kona. as I'm sure I want have enough training by
then.

There's magnesium in Staminade powder, you can buy this from most
stupormarkets.

MikeyOz wrote:
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Quoted message said:

No.... your blood tests were normal, doesn't mean you are normal... 🙂

Yeah, it's dangerous to draw wild conclusions like that, isn't it?!

T

Bleve said:

Gags said:

With your proposed "starvation mode", I would have thought that the body
would go into the "famine mode" and actually stop using up fat as an energy
source??? I lean more towards your theory of just making sure that you get
enough carbs in to the body during the race.

It's called catabolism. You don't want it to happen. Your body burns
protein when it runs out of carbs - guess where that comes from?
Muscle ... That lovely muscle you've been building up to power you
along .. and you're smearing it all over the road.

Starvation training is bloody stupid.
Don't do it. As Tam says, we burn fat all the time anyway, and it's
just proportions that change. If you want to increase the amount of
fat you can use as an energy source, do more base miles. This
increases the enzymes that can use fat as fuel for muscles. Any
exercise physiologist will tell you this. There was an article about
this in Bicycling Australia last year I think (a well respected,
throroughly researched journal, that one ... urgh ...), and even that
managed to conclude that it was [censored].

It's one of those hairbrained fads like all protein diets and other
such stupidity.

There are no shortcuts. Do the miles.

I like this advice. 🙂

Although this week I'm resting... just because I can. Except for that
race I've got tomorrow. A drowning race, in fact. No, that's not what
they call it... swimming... no wait, drowning.

Tam

LotteBum said:

Dear Dr Bell,

Why am I always hungry?

Regards,
LotteBum

Dear Ms Bum,

Because you haven't had lunch with me for AGES!

Not-yet-Dr Bell.

On 2005-11-08, LotteBum (aka Bruce)
was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:

Quoted message said:

Dear Dr Bell,

Why am I always hungry?

You have to eat sometime.

Dr Bell's secretary.

--
TimC
"COGITO, EGGO SUM." I think, therefore I am a waffle.
.sig of Mr. Ska on Slashdot.org

Tam

Slightly off track here but was it you drooling over a bianchi luna in previous posts? If so, have you purchased it yet?

coowoowoo said:

Tam

Slightly off track here but was it you drooling over a bianchi luna in
previous posts? If so, have you purchased it yet?

--
coowoowoo

Yeah that was me. My current funding stops tomorrow, so no, I haven't
purchased it yet. The new funding starts in January, with a $10k lump
sum payment... and I did meet the Bianchi rep... we'll see. My big issue
is that I can't really justify having a really nice bike because I'm a
really mediocre cyclist.

Tam

"Tamyka Bell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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coowoowoo said:

Tam

Slightly off track here but was it you drooling over a bianchi luna in
previous posts? If so, have you purchased it yet?

--
coowoowoo

Yeah that was me. My current funding stops tomorrow, so no, I haven't
purchased it yet. The new funding starts in January, with a $10k lump
sum payment... and I did meet the Bianchi rep... we'll see. My big issue
is that I can't really justify having a really nice bike because I'm a
really mediocre cyclist.

Tam

no excuse!
i have a litespeed and i've barely managed to finish a D grade crit🙂
I'm sure ya can find a justification, such as your old bike falling down
some stairs......57 times

[quote="dej"]"Tamyka Bell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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coowoowoo said:

Tam

Slightly off track here but was it you drooling over a bianchi luna in
previous posts? If so, have you purchased it yet?

--
coowoowoo

Yeah that was me. My current funding stops tomorrow, so no, I haven't
purchased it yet. The new funding starts in January, with a $10k lump
sum payment... and I did meet the Bianchi rep... we'll see. My big issue
is that I can't really justify having a really nice bike because I'm a
really mediocre cyclist.

dej said:

"Tamyka Bell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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coowoowoo said:

Tam

Slightly off track here but was it you drooling over a bianchi luna in
previous posts? If so, have you purchased it yet?

--
coowoowoo

Yeah that was me. My current funding stops tomorrow, so no, I haven't
purchased it yet. The new funding starts in January, with a $10k lump
sum payment... and I did meet the Bianchi rep... we'll see. My big issue
is that I can't really justify having a really nice bike because I'm a
really mediocre cyclist.

Tam

no excuse!
i have a litespeed and i've barely managed to finish a D grade crit🙂
I'm sure ya can find a justification, such as your old bike falling down
some stairs......57 times

Oooh, I'm not willing to part with my current bikes! Shame on you!

Tam

[quote="coowoowoo"]

dej said:

"Tamyka Bell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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coowoowoo said:

Tam

Slightly off track here but was it you drooling over a bianchi luna in
previous posts? If so, have you purchased it yet?

--
coowoowoo

Yeah that was me. My current funding stops tomorrow, so no, I haven't
purchased it yet. The new funding starts in January, with a $10k lump
sum payment... and I did meet the Bianchi rep... we'll see. My big issue
is that I can't really justify having a really nice bike because I'm a
really mediocre cyclist.

The reason i asked was that i was trawling through my bosses womens weekly whilst waiting for her to get off the phone. I needed to clarify that i dont buy that [censored].
So, flicking the pages and i see Dr Fiona Wood, Australian of the year, sitting there in all her gear with her beloved bianchi luna and i thought of you.
It's not a bad article and she is a very keen cyclist. Really promotes cycling and the power of sport/fitness in someone's life. If you get the chance to read someone's copy.. beeline to page 54..." Her idea of relaxation is riding a bike" "yesterday i rode 140km"

There, some more incentive for you., If its good enough for Dr Wood, its good enough for you.
Roll on January and the lump sum.. i am envious..

coowoowoo said:

dej said:

"Tamyka Bell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

coowoowoo wrote:
>
> Tam
>
> Slightly off track here but was it you drooling over a bianchi luna

in

Quoted message said:

> previous posts? If so, have you purchased it yet?
>
> --
> coowoowoo

Yeah that was me. My current funding stops tomorrow, so no, I

haven't

Quoted message said:

purchased it yet. The new funding starts in January, with a $10k

lump

Quoted message said:

sum payment... and I did meet the Bianchi rep... we'll see. My big

issue

Quoted message said:

is that I can't really justify having a really nice bike because I'm

a

Quoted message said:

really mediocre cyclist.

The reason i asked was that i was trawling through my bosses womens
weekly whilst waiting for her to get off the phone. I needed to clarify
that i dont buy that [censored].
So, flicking the pages and i see Dr Fiona Wood, Australian of the year,
sitting there in all her gear with her beloved bianchi luna and i
thought of you.
It's not a bad article and she is a very keen cyclist. Really promotes
cycling and the power of sport/fitness in someone's life. If you get
the chance to read someone's copy.. beeline to page 54..." Her idea of
relaxation is riding a bike" "yesterday i rode 140km"

There, some more incentive for you., If its good enough for Dr Wood,
its good enough for you.
Roll on January and the lump sum.. i am envious..

--
coowoowoo

That "Dr" title is a big clue as to her ownership of a L'una and my
failure to as yet acquire one...

140km? Pffft, I'm gonna run that next year, either 2/3 or 9/10
September. And then do a 20 and a smidgey km cool down.

:o

Tam