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  1. [email hidden] schreef ...

    Quoted message said:
    Andy Koppe said:


    Once you have sufficient market domination and brand recognition, it doesn't matter much whether
    you got your monopoly through customer choice, a royal charter, or whatever.

    Most customers will never have heard of anything but Shimano and won't accept anything else
    without a very good reason. No chance with a similar product at the same price. A competitor
    will have to be significantly cheaper or offer signigicantly better functionality, leaving lots
    of room for the monopolist to cream off the profits.

    Many companies have learnt the hard way the folly of believing that.

    No folly in that one: it's the awful truth. People talk about "their Shimano bike" when they bought
    one in the supermarket, with a big bright Shimano sticker on the otherwise nameless bike......

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    Regards, Marten

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    Simon Brooke said:


    [Campagnolo off road groups]

    They do/did one? Where? Where?

    End of the '80s last century.

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    Too late! See andysbikes.comindex.html for a list of components and
    some pictures.

    Thank you. And don't tell me this stuff isn't weird. This was designed for people with size
    11 hands ;-)

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    Regards, Marten

  3. Simon Brooke said:
    Guenther Schwarz said:
    Simon Brooke said:


    [Campagnolo off road groups] They do/did one? Where? Where?

    Too late! See andysbikes.comindex.html for a list of components
    and some pictures.

    Drool. Particularly the Olympus bits.

    And two days later I've bought some, and have an eye on some more. Great invention, this
    Internet thing.

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  4. Andy Koppe <a n d y @ d c s . e d . a c . u k> wrote in message
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    SRAM and Suntour have virtually no brand recognition and Campagnolo has it only in the racing bike
    market, that has to hand Shimano a big advantage. Can't blame Shimano for that of course.

    SRAM might have got recognition in the road bike market if they'd made an effort to push the old
    Sachs range (I've used bits from the New Success group in the past, and they were very good indeed),
    rather than letting it fall by the wayside. I suppose the problem these days is offering a
    distinctive alternative to STI and Ergopower which identifies the maker of the groupset straight
    away; Sachs instead used the Ergo lever, made under licence. Likewise, in the days of groupsets with
    down tube shifting, Mavic had its fans, despite being pricey (but very robust). But then they
    started to dabble in electric operation - oh dear :-(

    David E. Belcher

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    Marten Hoffmann said:

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    >[Campagnolo off road groups]

    And don't tell me this stuff isn't weird. This was designed for people with size 11 hands ;-)

    Might be so. But I like the crankarms and the Cantilever brakes. It seems to be quite hard to get
    this kind of polished compoments for mountain bikes or low geared tourers today.

    Sandpaper 1200 and some chrome polish work like a charm ;-)

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    Regards, Marten

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