Specialized Margins

"onefred" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Hey,

Does any one roughly know what Specialized dealers' margins are like on S-Works frames?

-Dave

I can tell you their margin is designed to be roughly 40% on complete new bikes, but the actual
cleared margin is less than that in general. In general, I would guess their margin to be slightly
higher for a frame or components, more than 40% but certainly less than 100%. 100% markup is common
on most "accessories", which are things like grips, bags, saddles etc. Components such as hubs,
derailleurs were slightly less than 100% markup.

HTH,

Scott..

No.

"onefred" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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Hey,

Does any one roughly know what Specialized dealers' margins are like on S-Works frames?

-Dave

Dear Fred,

Typically, margins are one inch on either side and an inch-and-a-half top and bottom. But content is
what actually matters.

Carl Fogel

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Dear Fred,

Typically, margins are one inch on either side and an inch-and-a-half top and bottom. But content
is what actually matters.

Carl Fogel

Well put. There's more to a bike shop than margins. Best Buy is all about margins. Ya get what ya
pay for in more ways than one.

Cheers,

Scott..

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"onefred" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Hey,

Does any one roughly know what Specialized dealers' margins are like on S-Works frames?

-Dave

I can tell you their margin is designed to be roughly 40% on complete new bikes, but the actual
cleared margin is less than that in general. In general, I would guess their margin to be slightly
higher for a frame or components, more than 40% but certainly less than 100%. 100% markup is
common on most "accessories", which are things like grips, bags, saddles etc. Components such as
hubs, derailleurs were slightly less than 100% markup.

HTH,

Scott..

Thanks, Scott, that's interesting. I'm buying a new S-Works frame and became curious about their
margins. I'm sure that higher volume dealers have better pricing than the smaller mom-n-pop shops.
Specialized sets prices which the dealer may not sell below, so it's not like I can bargain. All
things considered (the Specialized brand, its R&D, advertising, etc.), 40% is excellent for the
dealers involved.

Dave

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Quoted message said:

Hey,

Does any one roughly know what Specialized dealers' margins are like on S-Works frames?

-Dave

Dear Fred,

Typically, margins are one inch on either side and an inch-and-a-half top and bottom. But content
is what actually matters.

Carl Fogel

Yep, and margarines are high in fat but low in saturated fat. But taste is what matters and butter
has margarine licked.

-One Fred (among many)

"onefred" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Thanks, Scott, that's interesting. I'm buying a new S-Works frame and became curious about their
margins. I'm sure that higher volume dealers have better pricing than the smaller mom-n-pop shops.
Specialized sets prices which the dealer may not sell below, so it's not like I can

bargain.

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All things considered (the Specialized brand, its R&D, advertising, etc.), 40% is excellent for
the dealers involved.

Dave

Dealers would love to have more, that much is certain! ;-) Honestly, it's expensive to sell bikes.
In general, your best case is 40%. Usually, you knock 10% off the price of the bike to make a sale.
Sometimes 20%. Also, the earlier you buy the bike and the more of them, the better the price you
get. However, that means you're gambling you'll sell them all, you have to warehouse them for the
duration and you have to pay for them before you have cash in hand for a big number of bikes.
Additionally, you have to pay someone to assemble the thing, and proper assembly can take some time.

And yes, certain brands ( I can't speak to Specialized specifically..) do control pricing at the
dealer level so there is only so much a dealer can do. Usually, if you're a good customer and it's a
one-off sale, they'll sell below set values to get rid of a bike. But if they advertise a sale for
10% over cost on 100 bikes without getting authorization, they're not well-liked by dealers and
distributors alike!

Cheers,

Scott..

scott-<< Does any one roughly know what Specialized dealers' margins are like on

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S-Works frames? >><BR><BR>

<< 100% markup is common on most "accessories", which are things like grips, bags, saddles etc.
Components such as hubs, derailleurs were slightly less than 100% markup. >><BR><BR>

Let; not confuse 'margin' with 'markup'. Divide by .65 to get a 35% margin, which is what most
bikes, components and framesets are. Soft goods are more, like 50 point margin. Remember also that
what is recognized as the minimum margin required to break even, not make money, is about 35%.

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Hey,

Does any one roughly know what Specialized dealers' margins are like on S-Works frames?

-Dave

Dear Fred,

Typically, margins are one inch on either side and an inch-and-a-half top and bottom. But
content is what actually matters.

Carl Fogel

Yep, and margarines are high in fat but low in saturated fat. But taste is what matters and butter
has margarine licked.

-One Fred (among many)

Dear Dave,

Touchê!

Carl Fogel

onefred said:

Yep, and margarines are high in fat but low in saturated fat. But taste is what matters and butter
has margarine licked.

Well, Country Crock and Promise can be pretty yummy at times.

Of course, what's NOT yummy on a sourdough english muffin?

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-One Fred (among many)

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Well, Country Crock and Promise can be pretty yummy at times.

Of course, what's NOT yummy on a sourdough english muffin?

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-One Fred (among many)

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Rick Onanian

Speaking of english breakfast abominations...can anyone explain to me what a crumpet is!?!?!?! I
mean, apart from the obvious..

Cheers,

Scott..

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Of course, what's NOT yummy on a sourdough english muffin?

Speaking of english breakfast abominations...

"English muffins" are only found in North America.
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Speaking of english breakfast abominations...can anyone explain to me what a crumpet is!?!?!?! I
mean, apart from the obvious..

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"Rick Onanian" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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Of course, what's NOT yummy on a sourdough english muffin?

Speaking of english breakfast abominations...can anyone explain to me what a crumpet is!?!?!?! I
mean, apart from the obvious..

They're available in most supermarkets. I don't know if they're genuine, traditional crumpets, but
they're a food product labelled crumpets, and are vaguely similar to...well...english muffins. 😉
They're pretty good.

I did a google image search on them, and it returned this: WARNING: Semi-explicit photo. home.t-home.t-Open ↗
online.de/home/ulrike.schlueter/steil.htm That makes me hungry for crumpets.

It also returned this: searchforgoodhealth.com.aucrumpet.jpgOpen ↗ That site includes a
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Cheers, Scott..

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David Damerell <[email hidden]> wrote:
: "English muffins" are only found in North America.

just like i'd never heard of "Milwaukee's Best" beer until i left milwaukee. and that with the
knowledge that the best beer out of milwaukee (at the time, 1988) was Blatz Cream Ale.

for years i thought it was a saint louis conspiracy .. but alas it wasn't: it's self inflicted.
Miller Clear Beer never saw testing in milwaukee either. that honour went to minneapolis (where i
moved). i get the feeling miller is embarassed of their [censored] offerings.

beeradvocate.com1286Open ↗

"This beer is a very light yellow with a thin, bubbly, white head that leaves quickly. The nose is
quite offensive with a grassy smell. The beer tastes very watery. The corn is prevalent throughout
the entire beer. Drinkability is low for this beer. The only thing going for Milwaukee's Best is the
price, but it is probably too high at 3.85 for a 6 pack of 16oz cans."

... sorry about the english muffins. i don't like 'em either.
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David Damerell:

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"English muffins" are only found in North America.

Also found in Australia. In fact, found in many places outside the UK.

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onefred said:

Yep, and margarines are high in fat but low in saturated fat. But taste

is

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what matters and butter has margarine licked.

Well, Country Crock and Promise can be pretty yummy at times.

Of course, what's NOT yummy on a sourdough english muffin?

Bourbon? Menudo? Tripes? Gizzards?

Dave

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Of course, what's NOT yummy on a sourdough english muffin?

Bourbon? Menudo? Tripes? Gizzards?

You're probably right about the last three, but I'll have to get back to you about the
bourbon...right after the grain alcohol in the bread mix idea (which thread was that?).

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Dave

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On Tue, 13 Jan 2004 21:04:18 -0600, "onefred"

You're probably right about the last three, but I'll have to get back to you about the
bourbon...right after the grain alcohol in the bread mix idea (which thread was that?).
Rick Onanian

Actually, menudo is quite good. It's a kind of spicey Phillipino stew. Generally, beef or pork is
used, nothing exotic like tripe or tongue. I make it at home quite a bit because it's basically a
fill the pot, turn it on and forget it kinda dish.

Cheers,

Scott..