If you are clocked doing over the limit from a properly calibrated camera on a solid support, then I don't think there are many casues for complaint.
And such cameras have the cross check with the road markings to double check the measurement. Where I believe there may be some misunderstanding is there are two types of fixed speed camera. One type records trangressions, the other just flashes as a deterrent. The latter has much cheaper measurement systems and is prone to false triggering. While it doesn't matter in one sense because its not actually recording for prosecution it does lead to people seeing themselves getting flashed when driving within the speed limits and generating a level of distrust in camera accuracy in general.
-- Tony
"The best way I know of to win an argument is to start by being in the right." - Lord Hailsham
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My only grip about speed cameras is that they are very rarely accurate, so, many people who are accused of exceeeding the speed limit are, in fact, not!
If they are as accurate as your cycle computer...
I'm afraid I'm not so modern as to own a cycle computer, but bearing in mind the number of faults attributed to 'computer error' I don't think I would trust one anyway!
I'm afraid I'm not so modern as to own a cycle computer, but bearing in mind the number of faults attributed to 'computer error' I don't think I would trust one anyway!
Strange; the Irony Detector reading shows nothing <taps dial>
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This is a new post just because its slightly off topic from the other speed camera post.
The only problem with speed cameras is that no govt has had the balls to really make use of them properly. The authorities should either say speeding is allowed and have done with it, or do the cameras properly, fully hidden, no warning signs, and everywhere "drive within the limit or get caught". Trouble is too many drivers see a speed limit as a speed target, which is a major cause of aggression against cyclists, when drivers believe they have a right to bully out of the way anyone doing less than 30mph.
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On Sat, 11 Mar 2006 17:13:08 +0000 (UTC), TheBagbournes <[email hidden]> said in <[email hidden]>:
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I think it's pretty tragic to have to "enjoy a car" by driving it fast.
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Especially since 90%+ of the road network is so congested that this is a pipe dream anyway.
The ABD apparently want to make car ownership more affordable - I will laugh *very* loudly at their reaction if they ever achieve that aim :-)
LOL! Actually, credit is due to Clarkson on this issue. He once commented in Top Gear magazine that a true car enthusiast would never drive to the shop down the road, but would walk to leave the open road free for people who were going distances. He had a point, I think.
Just so. And as there are no hand held devices whose permanent locations are sold in devices intended to be mounted on the dashboards of cars, 'walls travelling at 15mph' have nothing whatever to do with this conversation.
Not true: a speed camera location is one where there is a fixed camera, or one where the road is marked for VASCAR, or where the police have mounted a roadside speed checking site more frequently than once every 3 months ish.
Sorry, these are IIRC figures, because the amount of drivel you have to sift through to find genuine details is rather too high for me. -- Ambrose
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He didn't, no, but seeing the discussion was about cameras with fixed positions sufficiently well known to be held in a database on a GPS linked device, GATSO was definitely implied.
The databases include sites used for mobile units.
Trouble is too many drivers see a speed limit as a speed target, which is a major cause of aggression against cyclists, when drivers believe they have a right to bully out of the way anyone doing less than 30mph.
It's worse than than. Too many drivers think they have a right to bully out of the way anyone who is only doing 2 mph over the speed limit. On my (car) commute, it is an almost daily occurrence for someone to try to push me to go faster because I'm 'only' doing 31 mph in a 30 zone or 41 in a 40 zone (speeds corrected for known speedo reading error)
On my (car) commute, it is an almost daily occurrence for someone to try to push me to go faster because I'm 'only' doing 31 mph in a 30 zone or 41 in a 40 zone (speeds corrected for known speedo reading error)
Your speedo is illegal. It can over-read by 10% but it should never under read. Doing 31mph at an indicated 30mph means it is illegal.
-- Tony
"The best way I know of to win an argument is to start by being in the right." - Lord Hailsham
On my (car) commute, it is an almost daily occurrence for someone to try to push me to go faster because I'm 'only' doing 31 mph in a 30 zone or 41 in a 40 zone (speeds corrected for known speedo reading error)
Your speedo is illegal. It can over-read by 10% but it should never under read. Doing 31mph at an indicated 30mph means it is illegal.
That's not what I meant. I meant that I had corrected the speeds I was quoting because I know how far off my speedo is at varioous speeds. Doing a real 31 mph, my speedo will read 33.
It's worse than than. Too many drivers think they have a right to bully out of the way anyone who is only doing 2 mph over the speed limit. On my (car) commute, it is an almost daily occurrence for someone to try to push me to go faster because I'm 'only' doing 31 mph in a 30 zone or 41 in a 40 zone (speeds corrected for known speedo reading error)
Try doing 20 mph in a 20 zone and see how fast the traffic builds up behind you.
It's worse than than. Too many drivers think they have a right to bully out of the way anyone who is only doing 2 mph over the speed limit. On my (car) commute, it is an almost daily occurrence for someone to try to push me to go faster because I'm 'only' doing 31 mph in a 30 zone or 41 in a 40 zone (speeds corrected for known speedo reading error)
They can't hurt you and you can have some fun.
Slow down a bit more, wave and blow kisses in the mirror. If they hoot, slow down more and wave out the window at them. If your coming to some green lights, really slow down, you can spare a min or two.
It's worse than than. Too many drivers think they have a right to bully out of the way anyone who is only doing 2 mph over the speed limit. On my (car) commute, it is an almost daily occurrence for someone to try to push me to go faster because I'm 'only' doing 31 mph in a 30 zone or 41 in a 40 zone (speeds corrected for known speedo reading error)
They can't hurt you and you can have some fun.
Slow down a bit more, wave and blow kisses in the mirror. If they hoot, slow down more and wave out the window at them. If your coming to some green lights, really slow down, you can spare a min or two.
Unfortunately, the main place it happens is just about wide enough to get 3 cars down. I've had a couple of people making stupid overtaking manoeuvres in the last couple of months - squeezing round in the face of oncoming traffic. I did give them a wave when we got to the next junction though!
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It's worse than than. Too many drivers think they have a right to bully out of the way anyone who is only doing 2 mph over the speed limit. On my (car) commute, it is an almost daily occurrence for someone to try to push me to go faster because I'm 'only' doing 31 mph in a 30 zone or 41 in a 40 zone (speeds corrected for known speedo reading error)
Try doing 20 mph in a 20 zone and see how fast the traffic builds up behind you.
-- Dave...
Oh yes... The main road by Nathan's place of education has a 20mph limit on it. I stick to the limit. It appears I may be the only motorist who does and for some reason, adhering to the speed limit seems to irritate the heck out of following motorists.
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It's worse than than. Too many drivers think they have a right to bully out of the way anyone who is only doing 2 mph over the speed limit. On my (car) commute, it is an almost daily occurrence for someone to try to push me to go faster because I'm 'only' doing 31 mph in a 30 zone or 41 in a 40 zone (speeds corrected for known speedo reading error)
Try doing 20 mph in a 20 zone and see how fast the traffic builds up behind you.
-- Dave...
Oh yes... The main road by Nathan's place of education has a 20mph limit on it. I stick to the limit. It appears I may be the only motorist who does and for some reason, adhering to the speed limit seems to irritate the heck out of following motorists.
Well, of course it irritates them, you are a woman after all, and, in the view of a large number of motorists should not be on the road!
The main road by Nathan's place of education has a 20mph limit on it. I stick to the limit. It appears I may be the only motorist who does
Nope, I stick to the limit when I drive past, which is admittedly not often (my parents live just down the road). I agree it's rare to see a car that _doesn't_ set off the radar-triggered 20mph warning sign in that particular limit.
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If you are clocked doing over the limit from a properly calibrated camera on a solid support, then I don't think there are many casues for complaint.
And such cameras have the cross check with the road markings to double check the measurement. Where I believe there may be some misunderstanding is there are two types of fixed speed camera.
And using this method of checking by the accused, reveals that the Gatsos are completely inaccurate, the only set of pictures I have been sent from an accusation by a Gatso, the gatso claimed that the speed I was doing in a 30 mph area was 39 pmh, but checking the marks showed the speed to have been 31 mph.
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Trouble is too many drivers see a speed limit as a speed target, which is a major cause of aggression against cyclists, when drivers believe they have a right to bully out of the way anyone doing less than 30mph.
It's worse than than. Too many drivers think they have a right to bully out of the way anyone who is only doing 2 mph over the speed limit. On my (car) commute, it is an almost daily occurrence for someone to try to push me to go faster because I'm 'only' doing 31 mph in a 30 zone or 41 in a 40 zone (speeds corrected for known speedo reading error)
In these cases, I often slow down a bit more and put on my hazard warning lights, you would be surprised how effective that is.
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Trouble is too many drivers see a speed limit as a speed target, which is a major cause of aggression against cyclists, when drivers believe they have a right to bully out of the way anyone doing less than 30mph.
It's worse than than. Too many drivers think they have a right to bully out of the way anyone who is only doing 2 mph over the speed limit. On my (car) commute, it is an almost daily occurrence for someone to try to push me to go faster because I'm 'only' doing 31 mph in a 30 zone or 41 in a 40 zone (speeds corrected for known speedo reading error)
In these cases, I often slow down a bit more and put on my hazard warning lights, you would be surprised how effective that is.
.... at really winding up the person behind you, resulting in aggression, flashing headlights, horns, and reckless overtaking behaviour. I do have a tendency to slow down if someone is too close behind me. I've given up on other tactics such as fog lights because they too often made the situation more dangerous. One of the thngs that does sometimes work is to slow down very gradually to 3-5 mph below the limit, then quickly accelerate to the limit, to make some space behind you. After a couple of goes at this, some people do get the message, and it doesn't seem to evoke as much aggression as other tricks.
