Spray On Tire Chains???

Dave Reckoning? said:

I am curious.

Quoted message said:

Anyone have expierence with this stuff?

Quoted message said:

http://tinyurl.com/5vdaa

It looks like bugle oil to me. By all means, get some.

Jobst Brandt
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Dave Reckoning said:

I am curious.

Anyone have expierence with this stuff?

http://tinyurl.com/5vdaa

Dear Dave,

I've been curious, too.

As I understand it, the idea is to spray some pine resin
onto cold, wet, slick rubber, let the carrier evaporate for
a few minutes, and see if pine resin improves traction as
well on cold, wet, slick pavement as it does on the
horsehair of a violin bow.

I'm dubious, too, but Jobst would do better to learn the
difference between the bugle-oil drool of the brass section
and the rosin cakes of the string section--and even better
to explain what kind of friction is involved with tires or
speak from actual experience with the product.

Otherwise, he might end up sparking a titanium discussion.

Carl Fogel

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Dave Reckoning? said:

I am curious.

a it would get hard in the cold and second it would make a huge mess all over
everything. pine sap is a real [censored] to remove.

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<[email hidden]> wrote: (clip)see if pine resin improves traction as
well on cold, wet, slick pavement as it does on the horsehair of a violin
bow. (clip)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I suggest spraying the "bugle oil" on the pavement, and wrapping the tires
with horsehair.

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Quoted message said:

Dave Reckoning said:

I am curious.

Anyone have expierence with this stuff?

http://tinyurl.com/5vdaa

Dear Dave,

I've been curious, too.

Snip

Quoted message said:

As I understand it, the idea is to spray some pine resin
onto cold, wet, slick rubber, let the carrier evaporate for
a few minutes, and see if pine resin improves traction as
well on cold, wet, slick pavement as it does on the
horsehair of a violin bow.

Snip

Quoted message said:

Carl Fogel

Carl, thank you.

What a wonderful image you have created for us all, pine sap creating music
in the treacherous boundaries between the solid, liquid and gaseous worlds.
Pine sap seems well positioned here as it embodies all three states at once.

On a practical note, I was not so much hoping the pine resin would strive to
adhere directly to snow or ice as much as that it might work very hard to
attract sand or other small road debris and then coerce it to stay attached
to my tires long enough to help in the fight to keep me from sliding in
front of that F-150 coming down the road.

I know this is a lot to expect of pine resin and I must admit to being
somewhat skeptical of not only it's ability but of it's basic motivation. I
don't have any basis for trusting pine resin and I believe that it is
possible that the pine resin is secretly in cahoots with all of those glass
chards mixed in the salt/sand mixture that the plow put down. It is not
beyond the realm of possibility to imagine that together pine sap and glass
chards are seeking desperately to penetrate not only the outer casing of
tire but to enter deep into my tube in their quest to release their
compatriots, the air molecules whom I have enslaved there in the dizzying
darkness for so long.

Despite my better judgment I ordered some of this stuff and will give a
full report. I was overcome with both a curiosity as to the ultimate nature
and potential nobility of pine as well as a strangly powerful desire to
experience that pine-fresh scent on my morning commute (the role of the
olfactory sense is not well understood in these situations).

Dave

Leo Lichtman said:

<[email hidden]> wrote: (clip)see if pine resin improves traction as
well on cold, wet, slick pavement as it does on the horsehair of a violin
bow. (clip)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I suggest spraying the "bugle oil" on the pavement, and wrapping the tires
with horsehair.

Dear Leo,

Years ago, my beloved sank a front-wheel drive sedan into
beach sand, babbling something about how turning the
steering wheel from side to side improved traction. (She may
have misunderstood her father's advice about turning in the
direction of a skid.)

A bit of digging improved the situation, but the real trick
was stuffing her swim fins under the tires, no brush or
aerosol cans of pine resin being handy. Awfully good
traction, those swim fins.

Carl Fogel

Dave Reckoning said:

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Quoted message said:

Dave Reckoning said:

I am curious.

Anyone have expierence with this stuff?

http://tinyurl.com/5vdaa

Dear Dave,

I've been curious, too.

Snip

Quoted message said:

As I understand it, the idea is to spray some pine resin
onto cold, wet, slick rubber, let the carrier evaporate for
a few minutes, and see if pine resin improves traction as
well on cold, wet, slick pavement as it does on the
horsehair of a violin bow.

Snip

Quoted message said:

Carl Fogel

Carl, thank you.

What a wonderful image you have created for us all, pine sap creating music
in the treacherous boundaries between the solid, liquid and gaseous worlds.
Pine sap seems well positioned here as it embodies all three states at once.

On a practical note, I was not so much hoping the pine resin would strive to
adhere directly to snow or ice as much as that it might work very hard to
attract sand or other small road debris and then coerce it to stay attached
to my tires long enough to help in the fight to keep me from sliding in
front of that F-150 coming down the road.

I know this is a lot to expect of pine resin and I must admit to being
somewhat skeptical of not only it's ability but of it's basic motivation. I
don't have any basis for trusting pine resin and I believe that it is
possible that the pine resin is secretly in cahoots with all of those glass
chards mixed in the salt/sand mixture that the plow put down. It is not
beyond the realm of possibility to imagine that together pine sap and glass
chards are seeking desperately to penetrate not only the outer casing of
tire but to enter deep into my tube in their quest to release their
compatriots, the air molecules whom I have enslaved there in the dizzying
darkness for so long.

Despite my better judgment I ordered some of this stuff and will give a
full report. I was overcome with both a curiosity as to the ultimate nature
and potential nobility of pine as well as a strangly powerful desire to
experience that pine-fresh scent on my morning commute (the role of the
olfactory sense is not well understood in these situations).

Dave

Dear Dave,

Ordered it? Jeez, it's not as if it's the genuine Asian
violin bow rosin that my sister brought back as a gift from
New Zealand (inferior, but exotic). That spray-on tire stuff
is on the shelves at WalMart.

Carl Fogel

On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 23:06:04 GMT, "Dave Reckoning"

may have said:

I am curious.

Anyone have expierence with this stuff?

http://tinyurl.com/5vdaa

In the words of the immortal Bartleby, I should prefer not to.

(Have experience with the product, that is. Pine sap on rubber boots
certainly doesn't make them less slipworthy on snow and ice, so I
can't see a reason why this stuff would work for tires.)

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"Werehatrack" wrote: (clip) Pine sap on rubber boots certainly doesn't make
them less slipworthy on snow and ice, (clip)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
By any chance is that the same as the spray-on belt dressing I have on the
shelf? That stuff sure works on a dry rubber/metal interface, so it stands
to reason that a wet rubber/asphalt interface wouldn't be any different <G>.

I wonder whether belt dressing would make swim fins work better, either in
water or sand.

On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 05:13:07 GMT, "Leo Lichtman"

may have said:

"Werehatrack" wrote: (clip) Pine sap on rubber boots certainly doesn't make
them less slipworthy on snow and ice, (clip)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
By any chance is that the same as the spray-on belt dressing I have on the
shelf? That stuff sure works on a dry rubber/metal interface, so it stands
to reason that a wet rubber/asphalt interface wouldn't be any different <G>.

Beats me. I learned to avoid spray belt dressing long ago; it makes
the belts noisy as hell, doesn't make them last any longer (and may
shorten their life), and it can make the task of replacing the belt
that much nastier.

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I wonder whether belt dressing would make swim fins work better, either in
water or sand.

I'm sure there's an entire generation of swimmers available whose
credulity can be tested in the marketing campaign. My guess is that
it'll sell like hotcakes. (I'm not saying whose hotcakes, or under
what conditions those hotcakes were being sold, mind you.)

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On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 03:33:05 GMT, "Dave Reckoning"

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Quoted message said:

Dave Reckoning said:

I am curious.

Anyone have expierence with this stuff?

http://tinyurl.com/5vdaa

Dear Dave,

I've been curious, too.

Snip

Quoted message said:

As I understand it, the idea is to spray some pine resin
onto cold, wet, slick rubber, let the carrier evaporate for
a few minutes, and see if pine resin improves traction as
well on cold, wet, slick pavement as it does on the
horsehair of a violin bow.

Snip

Quoted message said:

Carl Fogel

Carl, thank you.

What a wonderful image you have created for us all, pine sap creating music
in the treacherous boundaries between the solid, liquid and gaseous worlds.
Pine sap seems well positioned here as it embodies all three states at once.

On a practical note, I was not so much hoping the pine resin would strive to
adhere directly to snow or ice as much as that it might work very hard to
attract sand or other small road debris and then coerce it to stay attached
to my tires long enough to help in the fight to keep me from sliding in
front of that F-150 coming down the road.

I know this is a lot to expect of pine resin and I must admit to being
somewhat skeptical of not only it's ability but of it's basic motivation. I
don't have any basis for trusting pine resin and I believe that it is
possible that the pine resin is secretly in cahoots with all of those glass
chards mixed in the salt/sand mixture that the plow put down. It is not
beyond the realm of possibility to imagine that together pine sap and glass
chards are seeking desperately to penetrate not only the outer casing of
tire but to enter deep into my tube in their quest to release their
compatriots, the air molecules whom I have enslaved there in the dizzying
darkness for so long.

Despite my better judgment I ordered some of this stuff and will give a
full report. I was overcome with both a curiosity as to the ultimate nature
and potential nobility of pine as well as a strangly powerful desire to
experience that pine-fresh scent on my morning commute (the role of the
olfactory sense is not well understood in these situations).

Dave

Oh, good grief. I'd better alert the Internet Ghods to increase the
proportion of purple electrons in this froup. It looks like we've got
*two* Fogels now.

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On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 20:46:31 -0700, [email hidden] may have

Quoted message said:

Ordered it? Jeez, it's not as if it's the genuine Asian
violin bow rosin that my sister brought back as a gift from
New Zealand (inferior, but exotic). That spray-on tire stuff
is on the shelves at WalMart.

So were magnetic bracelets, the last time I was there. The mere fact
that people will buy something does not make it functional, no matter
what the buyers of "herbal Viagra" might think.

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Werehatrack said:

On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 20:46:31 -0700, [email hidden] may have

Quoted message said:

Ordered it? Jeez, it's not as if it's the genuine Asian
violin bow rosin that my sister brought back as a gift from
New Zealand (inferior, but exotic). That spray-on tire stuff
is on the shelves at WalMart.

So were magnetic bracelets, the last time I was there. The mere fact
that people will buy something does not make it functional, no matter
what the buyers of "herbal Viagra" might think.

Dear Werehatrack,

A) I was only surprised that anyone would mail-order what's
on the shelves at numerous chain stores, not endorsing it.

B) Actually, the fact that some fellows believe in "herbal
viagra" can indeed make it functional, the largest sex organ
being the brain--gives a whole new meaning to the Latin
translation of the "placebo" effect.

Carl Fogel

On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 23:50:06 -0600, Werehatrack
<[email hidden]> wrote:

[snip]

Quoted message said:

Oh, good grief. I'd better alert the Internet Ghods to increase the
proportion of purple electrons in this froup. It looks like we've got
*two* Fogels now.

Dear Werehatrack,

I am irresistibly reminded of "True Grit," much of which was
based by Charles Portis on the annals of the federal deputy
marshals who went into the Indian Territory from Fort Smith,
Arkansas.

It is with considerable satisfaction that I note that the
gorgeous scenery of the film was neither in Arkansas nor
Oklahoma, but Montrose, Colorado.

There are, however, no bicycles in the novel or film. The
chief bicycle scene in Westerns involves Paul Newman
portraying Robert Parker, (not the Boston novelist) who
sometimes robbed banks in Colorado.

The Original Greaser Bob

Be careful, Mr. Brandt, people will think you have a sense of humor!
Worse, they'll think you meant it!! --Roy Zipris

Roy Zipris said:

Be careful, Mr. Brandt, people will think you have a sense of humor!
Worse, they'll think you meant it!! --Roy Zipris

Not likely...since you didn't QUOTE what he said.

"Lee Lindquist" wrote: I've also noticed that it stains my pants.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Here's a tip: If you spray it INSIDE the waistband, the stains won't show,
and your pants won't fall down.

Werehatrack said:

On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 20:46:31 -0700, [email hidden] may have

Quoted message said:

Ordered it? Jeez, it's not as if it's the genuine Asian
violin bow rosin that my sister brought back as a gift from
New Zealand (inferior, but exotic). That spray-on tire stuff
is on the shelves at WalMart.

So were magnetic bracelets, the last time I was there. The mere fact
that people will buy something does not make it functional, no matter
what the buyers of "herbal Viagra" might think.

From articles I've read, some "herbal Viagras" might actually work. In
addition to the herbal stuff, they also contain sildenafil (i.e. real
Viagra) or tadalafil (Cialis).
<http://tinyurl.com/59gvo> for example.

--
Ray Heindl
(remove the Xs to reply)

Werehatrack said:

On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 17:51:57 GMT, "Leo Lichtman"

may have said:

"Lee Lindquist" wrote: I've also noticed that it stains my pants.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Here's a tip: If you spray it INSIDE the waistband, the stains
won't show, and your pants won't fall down.

But do they supply it in several flavors? I'm holding out for
Thousand Island.

I wouldn't bet the ranch on it.

(sorry)