Google has one thread archived on this subject, so I think it won't hurt to revisit it to see if there's an update of the conventional wisdom. Good thing I'm a slow climber. I was doing 5-ish mph near the top of Salt Lake City's City Creek Canyon last night, and therefore managed to stop well short (10 feet) of a rattlesnake parked in the middle of the road. I waited it out, stomped my foot a few times and it mosied off the road. I let it live. Had I continued riding (faster than I was) and presumably ridden over the snake somewhere in the middle, what chance is there that I could have been bitten? The upshot of the advice from the earlier thread was that if you can't stop or bunny-hop, aim for the head. I know the area's prime snake country, but the trail there is so fun, challenging and accessible, I shall not be deterred. (Last night's near miss was on the road, however.) -- -- Lynn Wallace http://www.xmission.com/~lawall "I'm not proud. We really haven't done everything we could to protect our customers. Our products just aren't engineered for security." --Microsoft VP in charge of Windows OS Development, Brian Valentine.