On 6 Apr 2006 09:34:03 -0700, "Jay Beattie" <[email hidden]>
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Tim McNamara said:
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I agree. Check for a real knee problem. I spent a lot of time chasing last year down why my left knee had occasional stabbing pains when riding and altered all kinds of aspects of my position and bike fit, only to find I had a torn meniscus- probably from aikido or a fall when cross-country skiing- and needed surgery.
Knees are peculiar, and there is even a study in the New England Journal of Medicine where placebo arthroscopic surgeries had the same success rates as the real thing. See http://tinyurl.com/ld8hh . An orthopedist I know is also adamant that much knee pain is referred pain from the hip. So, the moral of the story is go to a good orthopedist.
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All of this assumes enough rest for the current problem to subside, and enough rest between rides to allow adequate recovery. This may mean resting for more than a day after a hard ride. In your late 40s there's no guarantee that you can adequately recover after a single rest day- it will vary by fitness and ride intensity. If you go out and your legs feel tired from the previous ride, you haven't rested enough. Park the bike and go for a quick walk if you can't control the intensity of your ride.
I wish I could rest that much -- I don't think my legs have felt fresh in ten years. I just take a lot of ibuprophen and try to get my knee pain to be equal to or less than my back pain. Balance is important. -- Jay Beattie.
I seem to find that riding seems to help my back pain which is one reason why I am continuing to bicycle. I think that the bent over position tends to stretch out my lower back and it takes a couple of days before everything tightens back up again. I do notice a distinct increase in my lower back pain if I am off the bike for a week due to bad weather or injury.
Disclaimer: I think cycling should be fun and enjoyable at every moment. Never let training ruin a good ride...
Amen.
I tried something today in regards to this thread, riding in top gear only and sprinting from a stop until out of leg power, then coasting down again, numerous times. These were all standing sprints to see if I could duplicate the sore knee problem since I am also in the over the hill group at 57. All I managed to do was get winded a little more each time and now I have a residual bit of sore leg muscles but no knee aches. It might be of some note that I don't clip in and ride with sneakers so I can hike when I want, so could it be a matter of pedal choices and foot angles? This was the first day without rain in 'Sunny' California for about a week, hence this test ride. The stand and sprint still just reminds me of running uphill, even when pulling up on the bars. ????? Is it just me? Bill
Over use injuries usually take some to get to that overuse status. If you've been cycling for a while and thus in cycling condition a few hard sprints don't constitute overuse.
I do wonder about your trying to replicate a serious problem. Why would you want to have knee pain?
I tried something today in regards to this thread, riding in top gear only and sprinting from a stop until out of leg power, then coasting down again, numerous times. These were all standing sprints to see if I could duplicate the sore knee problem since I am also in the over the hill group at 57. All I managed to do was get winded a little more each time and now I have a residual bit of sore leg muscles but no knee aches. It might be of some note that I don't clip in and ride with sneakers so I can hike when I want, so could it be a matter of pedal choices and foot angles? This was the first day without rain in 'Sunny' California for about a week, hence this test ride. The stand and sprint still just reminds me of running uphill, even when pulling up on the bars. ????? Is it just me? Bill
Over use injuries usually take some to get to that overuse status. If you've been cycling for a while and thus in cycling condition a few hard sprints don't constitute overuse.
I do wonder about your trying to replicate a serious problem. Why would you want to have knee pain?
Because it's little bill, and he is most likely leaving something out. Remember, he isn't on a road bike, so who knows what his top gear really is. Maybe a 42-12?
On Tue, 04 Apr 2006 15:23:31 -0700, jonisaacs wrote:
>Disclaimer: I think cycling should be fun and enjoyable at every >moment. Never let training ruin a good ride...
Amen.
I tried something today in regards to this thread, riding in top gear only and sprinting from a stop until out of leg power, then coasting down again, numerous times. These were all standing sprints to see if I could duplicate the sore knee problem since I am also in the over the hill group at 57. All I managed to do was get winded a little more each time and now I have a residual bit of sore leg muscles but no knee aches. It might be of some note that I don't clip in and ride with sneakers so I can hike when I want, so could it be a matter of pedal choices and foot angles? This was the first day without rain in 'Sunny' California for about a week, hence this test ride. The stand and sprint still just reminds me of running uphill, even when pulling up on the bars. ????? Is it just me? Bill
Over use injuries usually take some to get to that overuse status. If you've been cycling for a while and thus in cycling condition a few hard sprints don't constitute overuse.
I do wonder about your trying to replicate a serious problem. Why would you want to have knee pain?
The straight answer is that I shattered my right femur into the knee joint when I was 21 and was curious to see if there were things that should be avoided. I haven't been cycling that much over the winter season due to California's rainy weather. There was also the thought that I might find out something to help the OP, but it might just be a personal knee problem and not one I have (yet). Bill
I tried something today in regards to this thread, riding in top gear only and sprinting from a stop until out of leg power, then coasting down again, numerous times. These were all standing sprints to see if I could duplicate the sore knee problem since I am also in the over the hill group at 57. All I managed to do was get winded a little more each time and now I have a residual bit of sore leg muscles but no knee aches. It might be of some note that I don't clip in and ride with sneakers so I can hike when I want, so could it be a matter of pedal choices and foot angles? This was the first day without rain in 'Sunny' California for about a week, hence this test ride. The stand and sprint still just reminds me of running uphill, even when pulling up on the bars. ????? Is it just me? Bill
Over use injuries usually take some to get to that overuse status. If you've been cycling for a while and thus in cycling condition a few hard sprints don't constitute overuse.
I do wonder about your trying to replicate a serious problem. Why would you want to have knee pain?
Because it's little bill, and he is most likely leaving something out. Remember, he isn't on a road bike, so who knows what his top gear really is. Maybe a 42-12?
oh geeez - you can painlessly dislocate the entire stucture foolin with "big gears" try weight lifting a gallon jug or whatever tied to your toes - elevating just the lower leg a few inches up to more or less straight -slowly lubes the structure before riding - aligns surfaces - and gets the patellar in shape
"Steve Sr." <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...
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Hello,
Before I get to the details let me start by saying that I am in my late 40's. Before anyone suggests bike fit as a cause let me say that the bike fit is good as evidenced by no knee problems until starting the above. I have also been riding about 100 miles a week through the winter so this isn't a spring over doers thing either.
I have recently been trying to increase my strength by pushing hills while standing and slightly bigger gears sometimes while riding. I have noticed an increase in strength but unfortunately my knees don't seem able to take the added stress.
So here I am sitting by the computer with my knee wrapped in an ice pack. This is probably patellar tendinitis as the pain seems to come from tendons on the top inside and bottom outside of the kneecap. The best I can tell is that the knee gets inflamed which then causes tendons and such to move out of place causing even more problems.
So, am I doing something wrong? Other folks I ride with, some younger, some older, don't seem to have a problem standing or pushing bigger gears. Is there anything I can do to solve this or have I been genetically unlucky and born with bad knees? If not I have probably reached my cycling limit.
The saddle is most likely. I had similar pains to what you described. A small adjustment in saddle height/angle/position and it disappeared.
