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  1. Dave W

    Dave W Guest

    It's tough not to sit in front of the idiot box, and watch the minute by minute war channels. (Will
    Survivor ever be looked at the same?) But I felt it was my duty to continue living my life the way I
    alway's have. FREE.

    So I just wanted to take this time to say Thank You to all the men and women seving in the United
    States military. Thank you for giving me the freedom to work my muscles sore in my yard Saturday. I
    was beat. You're responsible for that. Thank You. And a very big Thank You for making my world safe
    so I could spend a beautiful southern Sunday spinning my mountain bike around the course at
    Windridge ATV park. There were Equestrians, moto's, and a very large MTB contingent there. After the
    converstions heard I can safely say that everyone felt the same. We are glad that the finest
    fighting force in the world is finally taking care of the situation in Iraq. We are extremely
    saddened (and pissed off!!) by the video of our P.O.W's (There should be hell to pay!) We are behind
    you in this endeavor 100% keep up the good work, and try to stay safe.

    Thank You for trying to make the world a better place.

    David Westmoreland Sharpsburg, GA
     
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  2. Bomba

    Bomba Guest

    Dave W wrote:

    > We are extremely saddened (and pissed off!!) by the video of our P.O.W's (There should be hell
    > to pay!)

    Welcome to the propoganda war. I in no way condone the way that the POWs were televised, but it's
    ironic to see the US go mental over Iraq for breaking the Geneva convention, yet with the other
    hand, continue to break or ignore the same convention...

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  3. Sorni

    Sorni Guest

    "bomba" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    > Dave W wrote:
    >
    > > We are extremely
    > > saddened (and pissed off!!) by the video of our P.O.W's (There should be hell to pay!)
    >
    > Welcome to the propoganda war. I in no way condone the way that the POWs were televised, but it's
    > ironic to see the US go mental over Iraq for breaking the Geneva convention, yet with the other
    > hand, continue to break or ignore the same convention...

    I suppose you "in no way condone" showing the ones who were executed (shot in the forehead), either?

    All anyone has to do is look at the way POWs are being treated by each side. (And if you mean Fox or
    MSNBC briefly showing Iraqi POWs on camera, those networks are NOT the US goverment. Also note the
    food, blankets, medical aid, etc.)

    You might also note that our POWs are in uniform, not guised as friendly civilians or carrying white
    flags in order to commit murder.

    Bill "if you stopped replying to Dave I wouldn't have to 'go mental'" S.
     
  4. Simon

    Simon Guest

    "bomba" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    | Dave W wrote:
    |
    | > We are extremely
    | > saddened (and pissed off!!) by the video of our P.O.W's (There should be hell to pay!)
    |
    | Welcome to the propoganda war. I in no way condone the way that the POWs were televised, but it's
    | ironic to see the US go mental over Iraq for breaking the Geneva convention, yet with the other
    | hand, continue to break or ignore the same convention...
    |
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    | a.m-b FAQ: http://www.t-online.de/~jharris/ambfaq.htm
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    | a.bmx FAQ: http://www.t-online.de/~jharris/bmx_faq.htm

    From what I understand US has not broken any Geneva conventions thus far as in basic terms they are
    not to show casualties and POWS from up close. The US has so far shown POW's in decent condition
    from afar with no up close shots of any faces. Iraq on the other hand has shown injured/ wounded US
    soldiers and televised basic interrogation...........this is what contravenes the geneva
    conventions.

    I did not support a war but now there is one I back UK and US troops whole heartedly. After seeing
    the way Saddams so called soldiers fired into bushes looking for "survivors" and have continued to
    display no regard for civilians by dressing as civilians themselves and thus endangering all of
    iraqs civilians I hold no high regard for saddam and has regime.

    Simon........with a name like Bomba I thought you would be first over there!
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  5. Shaun Rimmer

    Shaun Rimmer Guest

    bomba <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    > Dave W wrote:
    >
    > > We are extremely
    > > saddened (and pissed off!!) by the video of our P.O.W's (There should be hell to pay!)
    >
    > Welcome to the propoganda war. I in no way condone the way that the POWs were televised, but it's
    > ironic to see the US go mental over Iraq for breaking the Geneva convention, yet with the other
    > hand, continue to break or ignore the same convention...

    Camp X-Ray.

    Shaun aRe - Wankers.
     
  6. Bomba

    Bomba Guest

    Sorni wrote:

    >>Welcome to the propoganda war. I in no way condone the way that the POWs were televised, but it's
    >>ironic to see the US go mental over Iraq for breaking the Geneva convention, yet with the other
    >>hand, continue to break or ignore the same convention...
    >
    >
    > I suppose you "in no way condone" showing the ones who were executed (shot in the
    > forehead), either?

    I haven't seen the footage (I don't watch television), so I can't comment properly, although in the
    reports I've read, there's been no mention of executions.

    > All anyone has to do is look at the way POWs are being treated by each side. (And if you mean Fox
    > or MSNBC briefly showing Iraqi POWs on camera, those networks are NOT the US goverment. Also note
    > the food, blankets, medical aid, etc.)

    I was actually more referring to Camp X-Ray...

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  7. Bomba

    Bomba Guest

    Simon wrote:

    > | Welcome to the propoganda war. I in no way condone the way that the POWs were televised, but
    > | it's ironic to see the US go mental over Iraq for breaking the Geneva convention, yet with the
    > | other hand, continue to break or ignore the same convention...
    > |

    > From what I understand US has not broken any Geneva conventions thus far as in basic terms they
    > are not to show casualties and POWS from up close.

    Well, the ICRC (who monitor PoW situations) have criticised the US for showing pictures of captured
    troops too. Anyhoo, I was more referring to Camp X-Ray for contraventions of the Geneva Convention.
    Except the US has conveniently labelled them as 'unlawful combatants'.

    > Simon........with a name like Bomba I thought you would be first over there!

    Been there, discussed that.

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  8. G.T.

    G.T. Guest

    Dave W wrote:
    > It's tough not to sit in front of the idiot box, and watch the minute by minute war channels.
    > (Will Survivor ever be looked at the same?) But I felt it was my duty to continue living my life
    > the way I alway's have. FREE.
    >

    If you believe you are going to be more free than you are now, you are seriously deluded. We'll see
    more terrorism, and we'll see our liberty eroded further because of the terrorism. You're even more
    simple-minded than our President, which is really hard to be.

    Greg
    --
    "Destroy your safe and happy lives before it is too late, the battles we fought were long and hard,
    just not to be consumed by rock n' roll..." - The Mekons
     
  9. Sorni

    Sorni Guest

    "bomba" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    > Sorni wrote:
    >
    > >>Welcome to the propoganda war. I in no way condone the way that the POWs were televised, but
    > >>it's ironic to see the US go mental over Iraq for breaking the Geneva convention, yet with the
    > >>other hand, continue to break or ignore the same convention...
    > >
    > >
    > > I suppose you "in no way condone" showing the ones who were executed
    (shot
    > > in the forehead), either?
    >
    > I haven't seen the footage (I don't watch television), so I can't comment properly, although in
    > the reports I've read, there's been no mention of executions.

    At least four shown in the morgue, still in uniform, at least one with a bullet hole in forehead.

    > > All anyone has to do is look at the way POWs are being treated by each
    side.
    > > (And if you mean Fox or MSNBC briefly showing Iraqi POWs on camera,
    those
    > > networks are NOT the US goverment. Also note the food, blankets,
    medical
    > > aid, etc.)
    >
    > I was actually more referring to Camp X-Ray...

    What, the prayer mats we provide them aren't cushy enough?!?

    Bill "again, compare and contrast" S.
     
  10. Simon

    Simon Guest

  11. G.T.

    G.T. Guest

    Sorni wrote:
    > "bomba" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    >
    >>Dave W wrote:
    >>
    >> > We are extremely
    >>
    >>>saddened (and pissed off!!) by the video of our P.O.W's (There should be hell to pay!)
    >>
    >>Welcome to the propoganda war. I in no way condone the way that the POWs were televised, but it's
    >>ironic to see the US go mental over Iraq for breaking the Geneva convention, yet with the other
    >>hand, continue to break or ignore the same convention...
    >
    >
    > I suppose you "in no way condone" showing the ones who were executed (shot in the
    > forehead), either?
    >
    > All anyone has to do is look at the way POWs are being treated by each side. (And if you mean Fox
    > or MSNBC briefly showing Iraqi POWs on camera, those networks are NOT the US goverment. Also note
    > the food, blankets, medical aid, etc.)
    >
    > You might also note that our POWs are in uniform, not guised as friendly civilians or carrying
    > white flags in order to commit murder.
    >

    In general I completely agree with you there but before the white flag attack I saw a very poignant
    photo of two dead Iraquis on msnbc.com. They were holding a white flag, not guns or bombs.

    Greg

    --
    "Destroy your safe and happy lives before it is too late, the battles we fought were long and hard,
    just not to be consumed by rock n' roll..." - The Mekons
     
  12. Bb

    Bb Guest

    On Mon, 24 Mar 2003 17:01:09 +0100, bomba wrote:

    > I haven't seen the footage (I don't watch television), so I can't comment properly, although in
    > the reports I've read, there's been no mention of executions.

    No, they're just really good shots, having made most of their kills in battle by landing a single
    shot square in the forehead.</SARCASM>

    I have tried to stay out of these threads, but I guess this really is the main topic of the day.

    I was very concerned at the outset of this war, because the "coalition" was initiating it without
    legitimate UN authority, and lawlessness begets lawlessness. It puts us in less of a position to
    complain about those who break conventions, when the whole war is unsanctioned. It seemed to me that
    it was not only an invitation to terrorists, but to countries who had desires of invasion: now all
    they need to do is document some vague speculations and they're good to go. Unfortunately, its
    inevitable that many people will also consider our lawless action to legitimize lawlessness against
    soldiers who are doing their best to minimize civilian casualties.

    Its a crazy world we live in when removing a horrible regime with a long history of terrorizing its
    people (and its region) is the wrong thing to
    do. Now that we've committed, I wish our troops safety and a quick resolution. I'll let the people
    who benefit from it thank them, though I doubt they ever will.

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  13. Simon

    Simon Guest

    "G.T." <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    | Dave W wrote:
    | > It's tough not to sit in front of the idiot box, and watch the minute by minute war channels.
    | > (Will Survivor ever be looked at the same?) But I felt it was my duty to continue living my life
    | > the way I alway's have. FREE.
    | >
    |
    | If you believe you are going to be more free than you are now, you are seriously deluded. We'll
    | see more terrorism, and we'll see our liberty eroded further because of the terrorism. You're even
    | more simple-minded than our President, which is really hard to be.
    |
    | Greg

    For once I agree

    Simon
    | --
    | "Destroy your safe and happy lives before it is too late, the battles we fought were long and
    | hard, just not to be consumed by rock n' roll..." - The Mekons
    |
     
  14. Sorni

    Sorni Guest

    "G.T." <[email protected]> wrote in message news:p[email protected]...
    > Sorni wrote:
    > > "bomba" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    > >
    > >>Dave W wrote:
    > >>
    > >> > We are extremely
    > >>
    > >>>saddened (and pissed off!!) by the video of our P.O.W's (There should be hell to pay!)
    > >>
    > >>Welcome to the propoganda war. I in no way condone the way that the POWs were televised, but
    > >>it's ironic to see the US go mental over Iraq for breaking the Geneva convention, yet with the
    > >>other hand, continue to break or ignore the same convention...
    > >
    > >
    > > I suppose you "in no way condone" showing the ones who were executed
    (shot
    > > in the forehead), either?
    > >
    > > All anyone has to do is look at the way POWs are being treated by each
    side.
    > > (And if you mean Fox or MSNBC briefly showing Iraqi POWs on camera,
    those
    > > networks are NOT the US goverment. Also note the food, blankets,
    medical
    > > aid, etc.)
    > >
    > > You might also note that our POWs are in uniform, not guised as friendly civilians or carrying
    > > white flags in order to commit murder.
    > >
    >
    > In general I completely agree with you there but before the white flag attack I saw a very
    > poignant photo of two dead Iraquis on msnbc.com. They were holding a white flag, not guns
    > or bombs.

    I didn't see it, but I'll guarantee you they weren't deliberately murdered (by coalition forces,
    at least).

    Bill "sad stuff happens, but evil is perpetrated" S.
     
  15. Dave

    Dave Guest

    bomba <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
    > Dave W wrote:
    >
    > > We are extremely
    > > saddened (and pissed off!!) by the video of our P.O.W's (There should be hell to pay!)
    >
    > Welcome to the propoganda war. I in no way condone the way that the POWs were televised, but it's
    > ironic to see the US go mental over Iraq for breaking the Geneva convention, yet with the other
    > hand, continue to break or ignore the same convention...

    Please provide some examples of the type of mistreatment by Americans, that the world has seen at
    the hands of the Iraqi's.

    Thing is, you can't, nor will you be able too. The Iraqi's are murderers, they've murdered their own
    people, now they're murdering soldiers on state run television. Your dangerously close to becoming
    considered an ally to Husseins regime John. Do you really want to be considered a sympathizer?
     
  16. The Turk

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    Isn't this a cycling forum? Have any bicycles been harmed in Iraq? Is it true that Iran and Iraq are joining forces to start a bicycle company known as "Iranq"?

    Just wondering...
     
  17. Notaknob

    Notaknob Guest

    In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
    > So I just wanted to take this time to say Thank You to all the men and women seving in the United
    > States military.
    >
    Your welcome. Now my advice for you:

    See the world. Read a newspaper that originated from outside the US. Compare it's news to what you
    read in the US. Disagreeing != disloyalty Have an opinion. Hold it. Defend it. Allow others to do
    the same. Support the troops by finding a military post nearby and either donating something (soft
    drinks/sports stuff) to the family support center or voluntering. See the world.

    nk
     
  18. Bomba

    Bomba Guest

    G.T. wrote:

    >> It's tough not to sit in front of the idiot box, and watch the minute by minute war channels.
    >> (Will Survivor ever be looked at the same?) But I felt it was my duty to continue living my life
    >> the way I alway's have. FREE.
    >
    >
    > If you believe you are going to be more free than you are now, you are seriously deluded. We'll
    > see more terrorism, and we'll see our liberty eroded further because of the terrorism.

    Not to mention the removal of civil liberties, increased intrusion, more surveillance, etc, etc.
     
  19. Bomba

    Bomba Guest

    Sorni wrote:

    >>I haven't seen the footage (I don't watch television), so I can't comment properly, although in
    >>the reports I've read, there's been no mention of executions.
    >
    > At least four shown in the morgue, still in uniform, at least one with a bullet hole in forehead.

    Ok, but I'd be wary of calling them executions until you know better...

    > What, the prayer mats we provide them aren't cushy enough?!?

    Of course, it's all a bed of roses in Guatanamo Bay...

    The conditions in which they are held contravene international law, the Geneva convention and their
    human rights. It's yet another indictment of the hypocrisy and double standards that the US employ.
     
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