landotter wrote:
> On Oct 2, 7:49 pm, "David L. Johnson" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>> landotter wrote:
>>
>>> So, because they didn't use two washers when assembling, you're going
>>> to dismiss the hub? Millions of Europeans can't be wrong.
>> Sure they can, but that's not the entire story.
>>
>>
> Your've simply made your experience your opinion and are getting bull
> headed. A sample of one is a shitty survey.
Umm, gee, I've turned my experience into my opinion. How could I be so
stupid! I never claimed to have done a survey, shitty or not.
"Millions" of Europeans, on the other hand, is completely precise, I
suppose. Not all of those Europeans use hub gears, by the way.
>>>> On the other hand, if you get one that is securely
>>>> attached, it becomes a bear to remove to replace an innertube. Then,
>>>> when you re-attach, the gears have to be adjusted.
> No they don't. That's just straight up ******** if you have threaded
> drops--and even if you have to adjust the gear--you twist a doohicky
> till the red dots line up. It's not hard.
It is as hard, or harder, than adjusting derailleur shift levers, and
the majority of riders take the bike in to the shop to have that done.
So, your average Joe changes a tube on a wheel with an internal gear
hub, and what happens? It's put back together, if at all, out of
adjustment, and you know as well as I that an internal-gear hub that's
out of adjustment can cause quite a bit of havoc, slipping gears, no
gears at all, auto-shifts.
> No, about 5-10K on heavy duty tires of various brands.
And each time your average user --- remember, the OP was just getting
started --- has to change a tire, we're back with adjustment problems.
>
>> I also guess you were lucky enough to never have a flat where the tube
>> wasn't patchable, such as at the stem. Or maybe a flat in the rain,
>> where patching the tube is not really an option unless you can get indoors.
>
> With a strong Dunlop or Schrader valve in a smooth hole, valve failure
> is extremely rare.
OK. Sure.
I never had a flat with my Kroon in Sweden 89-90.
> Niver had a valve or sidewall failure on my Nexus bike--you run tough
> gumwall tires on these sunsabitches.
You can run tough tires on whatever bike you want -- as long as the
frame is designed properly.
> Wonderful brake, what are you talking about? Great feel, but not
> terribly powerful--but stupid reliable. A great brake for places with
> wintry conditions. It's not a high zoot brake--but a leave out in the
> rain every day brake. Repack it yearly with grease if you do high
> miles, and you're good--that's if it's ridden all winter in salt.
"Not terribly powerful" does not make a great brake by my reckoning.
For me, a rear brake is mostly a backup if the front cable should break,
but if it does, I would need the rear brake to be able to stop me on a
downhill. "Not terribly powerful" in that instance translates into
disaster. And for the roller brake that comes with the Nexus hubs, "not
very powerful" is kind.
How often do you have to "service" a caliper brake? I replace cables
every year, but that is obsessive-compulsive on my part. Pads last
quite a bit longer if they are decent. Oh, and be sure to pack that
brake with the special Shimano grease, or else...
> It's extremely rare to ever have a problem with these. Just ask
> Sheldon.
It's also extremely rare to have a problem with a plain ol' Shimano
derailleur. But hub gears are very particular about adjustment, and
they do make tire/tube changes considerably harder --- so hard that you
go out of your way to say you don't even remove the wheel to fix a flat,
patching the tube instead. Do you do that with a front flat? No. Why
not? Because it is a lot more trouble, and less reliable. You can't
check to see whether there is something sharp still inside, or maybe the
flat was caused by a problem with the rim tape, or the tire casing is
bad. All these things could happen, and would cause a quick second
flat. But you do that with a rear flat because it is too much of a pain
in the ass to take the wheel off.
> People that quote the Bible are usually hypocrites in some way. ;-)
So are people who turn a discussion into an ad hominum attack.
--
David L. Johnson
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