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[Tim S Kemp]

>> Saab specifically claims that their larger cars 9000 and then 9-5
>> were designed for the occupants to survive hitting a 2000lb moose
>> like this.
>
> They may design it, but an incident doesn't always happen according
> to design, and anyway there is simply no way to stop 1 ton of moose
> being bad news for 1 ton of car when they are traveling at relatively
> large speeds, particularly when the car has to be designed to crumple
> and the moose doesn't.

All Volvos are elk-tested with an artificial elk, hence the large A pillars.
In Sweden wildlife is the main cause of single vehicle fatalaties. Plenty of
users of the VVspy and Swedespeed forums have these experiences.

 

[Mark South]

"Tony Raven" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Mark South wrote:
> >
> > The car is designed to be able to deflect the moose up and over the
> > passenger compartment. The car will be wrecked, as will the moose, but the
> > incident is survivable.
> >
> Moose strike is a fairly common problem in Scandinavia in winter despite the
> moose fencing alongside many roads. The moose tend to stand on the road as
> its warmer and cause about 7,000 accidents a year. It was the famous moose or
> elk test that derailed Mercedes launch of their A-Class

Saab and Volvo can show insurance data that support their design efforts I
believe.

 

[Tim S Kemp]

Mark South wrote:
> "Tony Raven" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Mark South wrote:
>>>
>>> The car is designed to be able to deflect the moose up and over the
>>> passenger compartment. The car will be wrecked, as will the moose,
>>> but the incident is survivable.
>>>
>> Moose strike is a fairly common problem in Scandinavia in winter
>> despite the moose fencing alongside many roads. The moose tend to
>> stand on the road as its warmer and cause about 7,000 accidents a
>> year. It was the famous moose or elk test that derailed Mercedes
>> launch of their A-Class
>
> Saab and Volvo can show insurance data that support their design
> efforts I believe.

And it's a different elk test - Mercedes were trying to avoid the elk, Volvo
just kill it...

 

[marko]

Gawnsoft <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> >Err, I don't. I fully expect things with more than 2 wheels to do
> >exactly as they please.
>
> In the same way you lead drivers to expect cyclists to do just as they
> please?

Yes. Ditto peds and especially horses, farm animals and little kids...

 

[marko]

Jon Senior <jon_AT_restlesslemon_DOTco_DOT_uk> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...

> I know it's a joke, but this is a common attitude. I find that I need at
> least an extra hour before I notice the difference.

'twas a joke. Two hours less sleep over a week and I'll notice, 6 and
it catches up with me. Need at least 8hrs a day.

> Depends on location. A good loud "discussion" with a driver who is
> obviously in the wrong, in the centre of town, surrounded by pedestrians
> and other cyclists... It's quite funny

You're just cruel really! ;-)

 

[Jon Senior]

marko [email protected] opined the following...
> 'twas a joke. Two hours less sleep over a week and I'll notice, 6 and
> it catches up with me. Need at least 8hrs a day.

I find that over a week I can survive on 6 - 7 hours, but I really feel
it by the weekend.

> > Depends on location. A good loud "discussion" with a driver who is
> > obviously in the wrong, in the centre of town, surrounded by pedestrians
> > and other cyclists... It's quite funny
>
> You're just cruel really! ;-)

Sometimes you have to be cruel to be kind... other times, it's just fun!

 

[[email protected]]

Apparently on date Sun, 23 May 2004 00:37:56 +0100, Lordy <[email protected]>
said:

>> > > > HC simply says "you MUST NOT ride when under the influence of
>> > > > drink or drugs". No mention of being drunk.
>> > >
>> > > There's a difference between the HC and the law.
>> >
>> > But, as I'm sure you know, where the HC uses the phrase "MUST" or
>> > "MUST NOT" then it directly relates to Road Traffic Law and would
>> > be an offence.
>>
>> The RTA states 'to such an extent as to be incable of
>> having proper control of a bicycle'.
>
>So basically the same as "under the influence of drink or drugs" then.

Well, that's long enough to wait. I emailed thames valley police but whoever
they passed the enquiry on to hasn't come back with an answer about how the
police stand on that one.