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[J-MAT]

Greetings!!!


First of all, you will never know the benefits of ILT unless you try it.

Does anyone out there think Cipo's legs are weaker that the age-graded controls Ric speakS of??? You know, the average guy in the grocery store???

Ric, cycling in not an endurance sport as much as it's a power sport. Here we go back to simple physics. Power is work/time. The fact that cycling carries on for long periods just extends the "time" portion of the equation. You still have to have the "force" or "work" portion. Take that variable away and there is no power. If you are weak you will not put out as much power.

All you guys who have increased your power: You have also increased your strength as well!!! You just didn't know it!!!

A bicycle locked into a trainer would show you that. Anytime a muscle can contract with greater force, a strength increase has occured. So if you went from a 39x21 to a 53x11, you got stronger, regarless of whether it's 10 seconds, 3-5 minutes, or 10 hours. That's a scientific reality that cannot be argued away. Doesn't that just make sense???

As far a L.A. is concerned, he is a great champion. Cycling is really a dying sport in my opinion. Money is drying up, there are more races than ever, the riders are getting fried, the sport aspect, history, traditions, etc. have almost disapeared. Now, it's just another way for people to make money. Except for the riders, nobody really gives a **** anymore. Maybe some of the riders don't give a **** anymore either. Everybody "specializes" now. Armstrong is no exception, but look at the Dutch and Belgian "classic" specialists. There are no more "all rounders" like King Eddy anymore.

All you pros out there: Dump your radios, and go for some long breaks like Eddy Merckx would have done. Maybe you could be the next "Cannibal." Try to excel in all areas, don't let a label define what you can do. Ever notice how Sean Kelly, a pure sprinter, could climb well with the yellow-jersey group in the Tour? How about him winning the Gran Prix de Nations TT??? A sprinter who could climb and TT!!! Where are they today???

Back to ILT and Arnie Baker. Well Ric I'm glad you are more knowledgeable about bicycle racing than the good doctor. But he is an elite racer, National Champion, and Record holder, in addition to coaching others to the same. A man who can do both!!!

I'm sure Dr. Baker has read a study or two. He says you need strength. Ric, is Dr. Baker wrong? If he is putting out incorrect information, why don't you inform him he is wrong? Send an e-mail to:

http://www.arniebakercycling.com

I'm sure he would be interested to find that he is wasting his time!!!

He is a huge proponent of ILT. When you guys start winning and coaching national champions and record holders, maybe I will change my mind!!!

He has a link to an ILT PDF on his website. If anyone would like to check it out, here is the URL:

http://www.arniebakercycling.com/handouts/ht_isolated_leg_training.htm

Shibumi: Your coach knows his stuff if he has you doing ILT. Your legs are getting stronger. Keep up the good work and keep us posted on your progress.

ILT workouts are just a "spoke in the wheel." You must still do your other training. ILT is part of a well-rounded training program. Take out a few spokes, and the wheel is not as strong. Leave out too many spokes, and the wheel will collapse.

I'll make a deal with Ric, 2LAP, and Maarten:

If after a month or two of ILT, and you notice your riding has improved, I'll let you guys buy me a beer as a way of saying thanks. If you are no better off, I'll buy you a beer for wasting your time!!!



Good Luck!!!

 

[maarten]

Quote:
When you guys start winning and coaching national champions and record holders, maybe I will change my mind!!!

You obviously haven't looked into who Ric, I and others are and who we work/worked with/for. Maybe check who you are talking to before you say something like this.

 

[Shibumi]

As a reasonably independent observer, I've enjoyed reading this thread. I can see that there seems to be a lack of support for ILT from scientific studies etc.

However, I'm going to keep on with the ILT, because
- I'm getting better at it (ie faster and able to spin a bigger gear), therefore something is improving, even though it may just be the ability to do ILT better and it won't convert into an improvement in normal cycling, etc
- Its fun, and breaks up a turbo session
- I don't think its doing me any harm
- My coach is telling me to do it. (Would I put my hand in the fire if my coach told me to? Well yes!).

Maybe my coach is wrong on this one, but he's right on everything else, so I'm not going to argue. Whilst I keep posting new PBs on his programme (whether its in spite of the ILT, and not because of it), I'm happy!

 

[J-MAT]

Maarten:

If you have truly traveled in the circles you claim, you would think that along the way someone would have exposed you to ILT.

ILT's effectiveness cannot be denied. Try it.

See, you will never learn about tricks like ILT in a university classroom. Physiology students are usually taught things by a professor who would be lucky if he coached a high-school basketball team to victory. Not one of my physiology professors ever had any cycling experience.

I hold the opinion that it would be possible for me to me to learn something from anyone. I could learn things from someone with an I.Q. of 40. I think there is a large barrier in your mind preventing you from learning something new from someone you probably don't like. That would be me.

My offer still stands to you on the beer.

Guys, just try it. Then you will know either way whether it works or not. Throw your bike on a trainer, warm up and do a few sets of ILT. This takes about 30 minutes. Undo your bike from the trainer and hit the road for more training.

Shibumi: You are improving without dought. Keep us posted on your progress. ILT is a spoke in the wheel. Leave it out, and your performance "wheel" will not be as strong.


Try ILT. You'll like it!!!

 

[maarten]

I hold the opinion that it would be possible for me to me to learn something from anyone. I could learn things from someone with an I.Q. of 40. I think there is a large barrier in your mind preventing you from learning something new from someone you probably don't like. That would be me.

Comment:
Don't know why I shouldn't like you. I am not impressed with the referencess to lance and baker you give as the fact that they win doesn't mean ILT works, altough that doesn't mean it doesn't work(which I haven't claimed). I was and stil am not convinced by your evidence(or your way of presenting it). You also somethimes cry something out like you can or if you(if you don't now me or others personally it will hard to judge our phyisical and other capabilities upon some words on a BB)

The fact that you didn't impress me wil not make me read an article/study less on ILT. Maybe even one more and then altough I wasn't convinced you might have achieved something.

 

[J-MAT]

Maarten:

I said what I said about probably not liking me because of some things I've noticed. Maybe I'm incorrect about my feelings. You never really know what is in another persons head. I hope I'm wrong. Everybody knows my comments and opinions are long and spirited.

There is a huge fire burning inside me for cycling. Call it a passion, obsession, whatever, I just can't get enough of it. So maarten, if I have mis-judged you or anyone else here, I humbly apologize. Like I've said before, we are all riders. Family first!!!

Now to the ILT. I used to think it was ******** myself for a long time. Everybody I know who has tried it has seen benefits. I have noticed the same thing.

It can't hurt you, only help. When you do everything possible to maximize performance, you are doing everything possible to be successful in competition.

Man, if you just try it on your next trainer workout you will know one way or the other if it is for you or not. Also, I wish my Dutch was as good as your English!!!


Hey bro,
keep the rubber side down!!!