Time Trial Timing Question

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What would happen if two riders got the exact same time in
an ITT stage? Has this ever happened? Today in the
prologue two were separated by 0.02 seconds and made me
wonder "what if?"

Another question: when does the clock start? I'm assuming
there is a sensor somewhere (bottom of the ramp?) that
starts the clock?

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"Jamie Thingelstad" wrote:
> Today in the prologue two were separated by 0.02 seconds

Do you mean Cancellara and Armstrong? They were separated by
2 seconds.

Art Harris
 
Arthur Harris wrote:
> "Jamie Thingelstad" wrote:
>
>>Today in the prologue two were separated by 0.02 seconds
>
>
> Do you mean Cancellara and Armstrong? They were separated
> by 2 seconds.

2 seconds in time or 2 seconds of arc?
 
On Sat, 03 Jul 2004 22:26:14 GMT, "Jamie Thingelstad"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>What would happen if two riders got the exact same time in
>an ITT stage? Has this ever happened? Today in the
>prologue two were separated by 0.02 seconds and made me
>wonder "what if?"
>
>Another question: when does the clock start? I'm assuming
>there is a sensor somewhere (bottom of the ramp?) that
>starts the clock?

The clock starts when they tell the rider to go. It makes no
difference when they roll off the ramp. Ask Pedro Delgado in
89. His clock started and he wasn't even up on the ramp
ready to start. Once he did show up he was already several
minutes into his time trial even though he hadn't even
started to ride yet.
 
I think Zubeldia and Ullrich had the same time last year.

Jiyang "Jamie Thingelstad"
<[email protected]> wrote in
message news:[email protected]...
> What would happen if two riders got the exact same time
> in an ITT
stage? Has
> this ever happened? Today in the prologue two were
> separated by 0.02
seconds
> and made me wonder "what if?"
>
> Another question: when does the clock start? I'm assuming
> there is a
sensor
> somewhere (bottom of the ramp?) that starts the clock?
>
> --
> Jamie Thingelstad http://www.thingelstad.com/
 
"NobodyMan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Sat, 03 Jul 2004 22:26:14 GMT, "Jamie Thingelstad"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>What would happen if two riders got the exact same time in
>>an ITT stage? Has this ever happened? Today in the
>>prologue two were separated by 0.02 seconds and made me
>>wonder "what if?"
>>
>>Another question: when does the clock start? I'm assuming
>>there is a sensor somewhere (bottom of the ramp?) that
>>starts the clock?
>
> The clock starts when they tell the rider to go. It makes
> no difference when they roll off the ramp. Ask Pedro
> Delgado in 89. His clock started and he wasn't even up on
> the ramp ready to start. Once he did show up he was
> already several minutes into his time trial even though he
> hadn't even started to ride yet.

********!
 
No, further down there were two riders separated by 0.02
seconds during the broadcast. Can't find it now since all
the standings are rounded to the seconds.

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Jamie Thingelstad
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"Arthur Harris" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Jamie Thingelstad" wrote:
> > Today in the prologue two were separated by 0.02 seconds
>
> Do you mean Cancellara and Armstrong? They were separated by 2 seconds.
>
> Art Harris
 
"Jamie Thingelstad" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> What would happen if two riders got the exact same time in
> an ITT stage? Has this ever happened? Today in the
> prologue two were separated by 0.02 seconds and made me
> wonder "what if?"
>

they get the same time and they're tied. everyday tt's are
timed by people with stopwatches and they do okay.

> Another question: when does the clock start? I'm assuming
> there is a sensor somewhere (bottom of the ramp?) that
> starts the clock?

the clock doesn't start, you have to leave at your
designated start time, if you miss it the clock keeps going.
 
"KenFberg" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> >Subject: Re: Time Trial Timing Question From: "Jamie
> >Thingelstad"
> >[email protected] Date:
> >7/3/2004 8:06 PM Mountain Daylight Time Message-id:
> ><[email protected]>
> >
> >No, further down there were two riders separated by 0.02
> >seconds during
the
> >broadcast. Can't find it now since all the standings are
> >rounded to the seconds.
>
> Voight and Pereiro

Hamilton and Levi were on the same second as well.

What happens is that no one cares. They get equal
"placings" and the next guy in line gets 2 down. For
instance 4, 5, 5, 7
 
"John Watson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:mWIFc.18744$MB3.6613@attbi_s04...
>
> "NobodyMan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > On Sat, 03 Jul 2004 22:26:14 GMT, "Jamie Thingelstad"
> > <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >>What would happen if two riders got the exact same time
> >>in an ITT stage? Has this ever happened? Today in the
> >>prologue two were separated by 0.02 seconds and made me
> >>wonder "what if?"
> >>
> >>Another question: when does the clock start? I'm
> >>assuming there is a sensor somewhere (bottom of the
> >>ramp?) that starts the clock?
> >
> > The clock starts when they tell the rider to go. It
> > makes no difference when they roll off the ramp. Ask
> > Pedro Delgado in 89. His clock started and he wasn't
> > even up on the ramp ready to start. Once he did show up
> > he was already several minutes into his time trial even
> > though he hadn't even started to ride yet.
>
> ********!

I've got it on tape John. Perhaps you'd like to explain what
happened then?
 
In article <[email protected]>, Tom
Kunich <[email protected]> wrote:

> "John Watson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:mWIFc.18744$MB3.6613@attbi_s04...
> >
> > "NobodyMan" <[email protected]> wrote in message

> > > The clock starts when they tell the rider to go. It
> > > makes no difference when they roll off the ramp. Ask
> > > Pedro Delgado in 89. His clock started and he wasn't
> > > even up on the ramp ready to start. Once he did show
> > > up he was already several minutes into his time trial
> > > even though he hadn't even started to ride yet.
> >
> > ********!
>
> I've got it on tape John. Perhaps you'd like to explain
> what happened then?

John seems certain, but he is wrong. "You can look it up."

Delgado lost near two minutes because he was late for his
start-two minutes that shadowed him throughout that Tour.

-WG
 
warren wrote:

> In article
> <[email protected]>,
> Tom Kunich <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>"John Watson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:mWIFc.18744$MB3.6613@attbi_s04...
>>
>>>"NobodyMan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
>
>>>>The clock starts when they tell the rider to go. It
>>>>makes no difference when they roll off the ramp. Ask
>>>>Pedro Delgado in 89. His clock started and he wasn't
>>>>even up on the ramp ready to start. Once he did show up
>>>>he was already several minutes into his time trial even
>>>>though he hadn't even started to ride yet.
>>>
>>>********!
>>
>>I've got it on tape John. Perhaps you'd like to explain
>>what happened then?
>
>
> John seems certain, but he is wrong. "You can look it up."
>
> Delgado lost near two minutes because he was late for his
> start-two minutes that shadowed him throughout that Tour.
>
> -WG

Wasn't that because Pedro didn't understand French and was
just waiting and didn't know? Seems his DS would have been
all over that, but then all it takes is one screw up and
everybody's now an expert.
 
in article [email protected], Jamie Thingelstad at
[email protected] wrote on 7/3/04 3:26 PM:

> What would happen if two riders got the exact same time in
> an ITT stage? Has this ever happened? Today in the
> prologue two were separated by 0.02 seconds and made me
> wonder "what if?"
>
> Another question: when does the clock start? I'm assuming
> there is a sensor somewhere (bottom of the ramp?) that
> starts the clock?

That's a good question. If this is not the case, and it
starts from the last beep of the clock, then the thin margin
between McGee and Millar last year might have come down to
reaction time, like a drag race.

-Sonarrat.
 
On 07/03/2004 11:03 PM, in article BD0CDDBE.3E21%[email protected],
"Sonarrat" <[email protected]> wrote:

> in article [email protected],
> Jamie Thingelstad at
> [email protected] wrote on
> 7/3/04 3:26 PM:
>
>> What would happen if two riders got the exact same time
>> in an ITT stage? Has this ever happened? Today in the
>> prologue two were separated by 0.02 seconds and made me
>> wonder "what if?"
>>
>> Another question: when does the clock start? I'm assuming
>> there is a sensor somewhere (bottom of the ramp?) that
>> starts the clock?
>
> That's a good question. If this is not the case, and it
> starts from the last beep of the clock, then the thin
> margin between McGee and Millar last year might have come
> down to reaction time, like a drag race.

And the several seconds it took for Millar to get his chain
back up on the ring after it dropped didn't make any
difference at all ... Right?

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He got lost in the way back from a relax miniride around
town before the TT (in fact I think he just wanted to take a
**** in some street corner).

"Richard Adams" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> warren wrote:
>
> > In article
> > <[email protected]>,
> > Tom Kunich <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>"John Watson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >>news:mWIFc.18744$MB3.6613@attbi_s04...
> >>
> >>>"NobodyMan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >
> >
> >>>>The clock starts when they tell the rider to go. It
> >>>>makes no difference when they roll off the ramp. Ask
> >>>>Pedro Delgado in 89. His clock started and he wasn't
> >>>>even up on the ramp ready to start. Once he did show
> >>>>up he was already several minutes into his time trial
> >>>>even though he hadn't even started to ride yet.
> >>>
> >>>********!
> >>
> >>I've got it on tape John. Perhaps you'd like to explain
> >>what happened
then?
> >
> >
> > John seems certain, but he is wrong. "You can look
> > it up."
> >
> > Delgado lost near two minutes because he was late for
> > his start-two minutes that shadowed him throughout
> > that Tour.
> >
> > -WG
>
> Wasn't that because Pedro didn't understand French and was
> just waiting and didn't know? Seems his DS would have been
> all over that, but then all it takes is one screw up and
> everybody's now an expert.
 
Sonarrat wrote:

> That's a good question. If this is not the case, and it
> starts from the last beep of the clock, then the thin
> margin between McGee and Millar last year might have come
> down to reaction time, like a drag race.

Front derailleur missing.
 
Laurent Fignon and Sean Kelly once recorded the same time
(right down to the second) during a time trial in the tour.

Fignon was wearing the yellow jersey (and happened to be
French) and was awarded the victory by something like 1/1000
of a second.

However, the electronic timing equipment was not working
that day, and it is well known that the officials were using
hand-held stopwatches and were not able to record times to
the degree of Fignon's victory.

The answer is: Depends on the nationality of the riders
in question.

"Jamie Thingelstad"
<[email protected]> wrote in
message news:<[email protected]>...
> What would happen if two riders got the exact same time in
> an ITT stage? Has this ever happened? Today in the
> prologue two were separated by 0.02 seconds and made me
> wonder "what if?"
>
> Another question: when does the clock start? I'm assuming
> there is a sensor somewhere (bottom of the ramp?) that
> starts the clock?
 
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