To the ass I almost ran over today



On Sun, 02 May 2004 19:43:51 GMT, Scott Eiler <[email protected]>
wrote:
>school bus driver actually opened up her door and yelled something at
>me. I couldn't make sense of it, so I responded, "You SAY I left my
>clothing."
>
>But no, she said I needed reflective clothing. I *was* wearing black
>leather, but bear in mind, the sun *was* up; it was EIGHT A.M. So I
>told her, I have strap-on lights for later.


Keep your leather and strap-ons away from school buses, please! If
children can't handle a few bad words on the radio, they definitely
shouldn't see BD/SM while on the bus.
--
Rick Onanian
 
Terry Morse wrote:
>
> Trudi Marrapodi wrote:
>
> > Yeah. I think I've also mentioned, I don't like it when friends in cars
> > (who don't know better) "honk hello" at me when I'm riding. They think
> > they're being nice, but when I first hear the honk, I don't know how to
> > interpret it.

>
> My rule is always consider a honk to be a friendly gesture. I return
> all honks with a smile and wave. When someone I'm riding with says
> "who was that honking?", I reply "one of my many fans."


Super virtuous, Terry!

The people I hate are the ones who give you a blast AFTER they've passed
you just to... god knows why they do it. It's not a civilized/paranoid
warning blip so you'll know they're there and not swerve in front of
them, or a blast from behind just for the fun of watching you jump, or
an unjustified request to get out of their way since you weren't in
their way to begin with. Maybe the same thing as a gorilla pounding its
chest over a fallen adversary, except they didn't run you down, they
just passed you.

--
Cheers,
Bev
-------------------------------------------------------------------
"We need to cut more slack for the stupid; after all, somebody has
to populate the lower part of the bell curve." -- Dennis (evil)
 
Chuckle!



"The Real Bev" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Terry Morse wrote:
> >
> > Trudi Marrapodi wrote:
> >
> > > Yeah. I think I've also mentioned, I don't like it when friends in

cars
> > > (who don't know better) "honk hello" at me when I'm riding. They think
> > > they're being nice, but when I first hear the honk, I don't know how

to
> > > interpret it.

> >
> > My rule is always consider a honk to be a friendly gesture. I return
> > all honks with a smile and wave. When someone I'm riding with says
> > "who was that honking?", I reply "one of my many fans."

>
> Super virtuous, Terry!
>
> The people I hate are the ones who give you a blast AFTER they've passed
> you just to... god knows why they do it. It's not a civilized/paranoid
> warning blip so you'll know they're there and not swerve in front of
> them, or a blast from behind just for the fun of watching you jump, or
> an unjustified request to get out of their way since you weren't in
> their way to begin with. Maybe the same thing as a gorilla pounding its
> chest over a fallen adversary, except they didn't run you down, they
> just passed you.
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Bev
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
> "We need to cut more slack for the stupid; after all, somebody has
> to populate the lower part of the bell curve." -- Dennis (evil)
 
The Real Bev wrote:

> The people I hate are the ones who give you a blast AFTER they've passed
> you just to... god knows why they do it. It's not a civilized/paranoid
> warning blip so you'll know they're there and not swerve in front of
> them, or a blast from behind just for the fun of watching you jump, or
> an unjustified request to get out of their way since you weren't in
> their way to begin with. Maybe the same thing as a gorilla pounding its
> chest over a fallen adversary, except they didn't run you down, they
> just passed you.


I still don't get the civilized/paranoid warning blips. What, they
think I can't hear the sound of their internal combustion?

But the worst of the lot is the cars full of juveniles who scream out
the window at me at the moment when they pass, just to get a reaction.


--
-------- Scott Eiler B{D> -------- http://www.eilertech.com/ --------

"It seemed an unlikely spot for a sensitive songwriter from Greenwich
Village... She ordered the 20-ounce steak."
-- Lin Brehmer, Chicago DJ, describing his meeting in a steakhouse
with Suzanne Vega.
 
Rick Onanian wrote:

> On Sun, 02 May 2004 19:43:51 GMT, Scott Eiler <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>school bus driver actually opened up her door and yelled something at
>>me. I couldn't make sense of it, so I responded, "You SAY I left my
>>clothing."
>>
>>But no, she said I needed reflective clothing. I *was* wearing black
>>leather, but bear in mind, the sun *was* up; it was EIGHT A.M. So I
>>told her, I have strap-on lights for later.

>
> Keep your leather and strap-ons away from school buses, please! If
> children can't handle a few bad words on the radio, they definitely
> shouldn't see BD/SM while on the bus.


Especially from someone balanced on two wheels and wearing an impact
helmet, right? CB{D>

--
-------- Scott Eiler B{D> -------- http://www.eilertech.com/ --------

"It seemed an unlikely spot for a sensitive songwriter from Greenwich
Village... She ordered the 20-ounce steak."
-- Lin Brehmer, Chicago DJ, describing his meeting in a steakhouse
with Suzanne Vega.
 
Scott Eiler wrote:

> I still don't get the civilized/paranoid warning blips. What, they
> think I can't hear the sound of their internal combustion?


I can't hear an approaching car when I'm descending. There's too
much wind noise. I don't mind a horn toot in that situation.

But except on highways, I descend faster than most cars.
--
terry morse Palo Alto, CA http://bike.terrymorse.com/
 
2WheelR wrote:

> Dr Engelbert Buxbaum wrote:


>
> We've already calculated that I came to a stop to turn a solid 11
> seconds before he even _arrived_ at the intersection. Let's visualize 11
> seconds.in that time, someone travelling 25 mph (which I'm guesstimating
> based on what I saw and what I know about that stretch of road, which i
> ride every day) would have about 400 feet to slow down for my already
> stopped car. thast's not cutting someone off, unless they are a
> freighter, or perhaps a barge.he was neither, though he mave have been
> dingy.


Let's do a little physics here.

You were going at, say, 50 km/h (about 30 miles/h, 13.89 m/s) and
decelerating to a stop over 400 m (about 0.25 miles).

Assuming a constant deceleration, s(t) = s(0) + v(0)*t + 1/2*a*t^2 (eqn
1) and v(t) = v(0) + a*t (eqn 2).

With s(0) = 0 m, s(t) = 400 m, v(0) = 13.89 m/s, v(t) = 0 m/s we can
calculate t = 57.6 s for you to reach the crossing and a = -0.241
m/s^2.

The cyclist was doing, say, 30 km/h (19 miles/h, 8.33 m/s).

The law requires a safety distance of half the speed in m, so you needed
to start passing before you approached the cyclist to 25 m, and you
needed 15 m distance after passing him. With 2 m length of the cycle,
that makes a distance of 42 m covered during passing, _relative to the
bike_ (that is in a moving coordinate system with the bike at the
origin). In this coordinate system you had an initial speed of 20 km/h
(50-30), or 5.56 m/s.

With s(0) = 0 m, s(t) = 42 m, v(0) = 5.56 m/s and a = -0.241 m/s^2 we
can calculate from (eqn 1) the time required for passing. Since this is
a quadratic equation, we get two possible solutions, 9.57 s and 36.6 s,
respectively.

Returning to a geostationary coordinate system we can calculate what
distance you covered in the real world during that time, using eqn 1
again. The results are 122 m and 347 m, respectively.

As you can see, in the worst case scenario you needed 347 m out of the
available 400 m to legally pass the cyclist. This left the cyclist 53 m
to brake from full speed (8.33 m/s). This requires an acceleration of
-0.654 m/s^2 and takes 12.7 s. Thus the cyclist would have had to brake
almost 3 times as hard as you, despite having worse brakes.

Now lets check how much time it would have required you to stay behind
the cycle instead of passing. You were going at 13.89 m/s, with an
acceleration of -0.241 m/s^2. When would your speed have dropped below
that of the cyclist (8.33 m/s)? Eqn 2 yields 23.1 s. During that time
you have covered 384.6 m. Going that distance at the speed of the
cyclist (8.33 m/s) would take 46.2 s, so the difference is 23.1 s, less
than half a minute.

Given this little "back of the brown envelope" calculation, you may now
understand why said cyclist was not amused. Note also that we used some
rather crude guestimates about distances and speeds. Putting in only
slightly different numbers would turn your behaviour from "barely legal
but rude" to "illegal". The difference between 400 and 347 m is only 13
%, after all.

It has been my experience that car drivers tend to underestimate the
space required for passing a cycle, and I vividly remember some sticky
situations resulting from that, hence my rather strong feelings.
 
Dr Engelbert Buxbaum <[email protected]> wrote:

>Let's do a little physics here.
>
>You were going at, say, 50 km/h (about 30 miles/h, 13.89 m/s) and
>decelerating to a stop over 400 m (about 0.25 miles).


Who starts decelerating 400m before a stop sign when doing 30 mph?
50-100m, maybe (usually less). If you take your foot off the gas 400m
before the stop sign at 30mph, you'll probably coast to a stop before
you get there (after all, it would take you 30 seconds to get there if
you DON'T slow down at all).

Mark Hickey
Habanero Cycles
http://www.habcycles.com
Home of the $695 ti frame
 
Mark Hickey wrote:

> Who starts decelerating 400m before a stop sign when doing 30 mph?
> 50-100m, maybe (usually less). If you take your foot off the gas 400m
> before the stop sign at 30mph, you'll probably coast to a stop before
> you get there (after all, it would take you 30 seconds to get there if
> you DON'T slow down at all).


Could be, if you are going up a hill. But that is really beside the
point: It is impossible to reconstruct the situation precisely. Some
people try to conserve energy and let the car roll out gently, others
try to make their girlfriends throw up.

All we can do is to make some rough guestimates and see where that leeds
us to. The point was only to show how much space is actually required to
legally pass a cycle, and that you at least inconvenienced the cyclist.