Transcript of BBC interview

Toby Joe said:

Here is a link to the transcript of the BBC interview with
Kofi Annan, wherein he is usually referred to as having
said, "The genocide of a generation". If it is there, I
can't find it.

news.bbc.co.uk3245014.stmOpen ↗

Here is the BBC presentation that followed from that
interview, 6 days later. It clearly refers to K.A. having
said, "the genocide..". After this, there were various other
references to that phrase, in news articles around the
world, - they are still there on the web. Most of them seem
to reference to this link, below, as their cited source. One
or two refer to the interview itself, at the link above.

tinyurl.com2h2znOpen ↗ news.bbc.co.uktalkingOpen ↗
_point/special/aids/3244113.stm

Now this reporter (above) says with such certainty that
Kofi Annan said that, but ... if he did, I can't find it.
(And I looked through quite a few other press releases and
so on, also.)

--
"I happen to think that the singular evil of our time is
prejudice. It is from this evil that all other evils grow
and multiply." R. Serling

Quoted message said:

Here is a link to the transcript of the BBC interview with
Kofi Annan, wherein he is usually referred to as having
said, "The genocide of a generation".

If it is there, I can't find it.

news.bbc.co.uk3245014.stmOpen ↗

Has anyone heard Kofi Annan use the word "genocide" to refer
to the calls by Hamas, Hizbolla, et al to exterminate all
Jews via suicide bombings of schools and buses?

The Iraq food for oil program, overseen by his son, is a
perfect example of his character.

(MHA Needs More Skeptics) said:

Quoted message said:

Here is a link to the transcript of the BBC interview
with Kofi Annan, wherein he is usually referred to as
having said, "The genocide of a generation".

If it is there, I can't find it.

news.bbc.co.uk3245014.stmOpen ↗

Has anyone heard Kofi Annan use the word "genocide"

Once again, discussion of any more in-depth or serious
health topic, such as might cause people to actually think a
little more outside of their concrete boxes, has been
successfully stifled.

And so, I guess, it always will be.

Hey, have a happy complacent, secure little life, why don't
you, where nothing challenges your complacency and where
no-one is required to think or to actually debate anything
at all beyond the inane neuroses of machine-like
repetitious trash.

--
"I happen to think that the singular evil of our time is
prejudice. It is from this evil that all other evils grow
and multiply." R. Serling

In article <[email hidden]>,

Toby Joe said:

Toby Joe said:

Here is a link to the transcript of the BBC interview
with Kofi Annan, wherein he is usually referred to as
having said, "The genocide of a generation". If it is
there, I can't find it.

news.bbc.co.uk3245014.stmOpen ↗

Here is the BBC presentation that followed from that
interview, 6 days later. It clearly refers to K.A. having
said, "the genocide..". After this, there were various
other references to that phrase, in news articles around
the world, - they are still there on the web. Most of them
seem to reference to this link, below, as their cited
source. One or two refer to the interview itself, at the
link above.

tinyurl.com2h2znOpen ↗ news.bbc.co.uktalkinOpen ↗
g_point/special/aids/3244113.stm

Now this reporter (above) says with such certainty that
Kofi Annan said that, but ... if he did, I can't find it.
(And I looked through quite a few other press releases and
so on, also.)

Suggests there are a lot of lazy reporters, simply quoting
each other, doesn't it?

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my
opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If I
have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were
standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

(David Wright) said:

Toby Joe said:

Quoted message said:

news.bbc.co.uk3245014.stmOpen ↗

tinyurl.com2h2znOpen ↗ news.bbc.co.uktalkOpen ↗
ing_point/special/aids/3244113.stm

Now this reporter (above) says with such certainty that
Kofi Annan said that, but ... if he did, I can't find it.
(And I looked through quite a few other press releases
and so on, also.)

Suggests there are a lot of lazy reporters, simply quoting
each other, doesn't it?

Maybe. The BBC had run a two week presentation for last
year's World AIDS day. The interview was only the
beginning of that.

--
"I happen to think that the singular evil of our time is
prejudice. It is from this evil that all other evils grow
and multiply." R. Serling

(Cant We All JUST Get Along) said:

Quoted message said:

(MHA Needs More Skeptics) said:

>Here is a link to the transcript of the BBC interview
>with Kofi Annan, wherein he is usually referred to as
>having said, "The genocide of a generation".
>
>If it is there, I can't find it.
>
>news.bbc.co.uk3245014.stmOpen ↗

Has anyone heard Kofi Annan use the word "genocide"

Once again, discussion of any more in-depth or serious
health topic, such as might cause people to actually
think a little more outside of their concrete boxes, has
been successfully stifled.

And so, I guess, it always will be.

My point was that Kofi Annan does not determine the
definition of genocide

Oh, alright.

In that case, I may say that I _do_ believe that what is
happening in Sub-Saharan countries irt HIV/AIDS is genocide.

I was content to accept the limits of usage of the term
according to how the Secretary General of the UN used the
term. However as you say you would not accept such limits,
then you have removed the reason for me to do so either.

(Sorry to David, but Ilsa has just removed that boundary
line of usage which I would otherwise have accepted.)

--
"I happen to think that the singular evil of our time is
prejudice. It is from this evil that all other evils grow
and multiply." R. Serling

(Cant We All JUST Get Along) said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

My point was that Kofi Annan does not determine the
definition of genocide

Oh, alright.

In that case, I may say that I _do_ believe that what is
happening in Sub-Saharan countries irt HIV/AIDS is
genocide.

I was content to accept the limits of usage of the term
according to how the Secretary General of the UN used the
term. However as you say you would not accept such
limits, then you have removed the reason for me to do so
either.

(Sorry to David, but Ilsa has just removed that boundary
line of usage which I would otherwise have accepted.)

Oh, so now I, Ilsa, get to determine the definition of
genocide?

This is what I am saying:

Insofar as genocide is the intentional removal or
eradication of people according to their ethnicity or race,
the allowance of HIV/AIDS to proliferate in Sub-Saharan
Africa fits that description. Who the originators may have
been, I don't know, but all of us in the nations of the
obese are a party to it, at least by way of our indifference
to what is happening.

--
"I happen to think that the singular evil of our time is
prejudice. It is from this evil that all other evils grow
and multiply." R. Serling

(Cant We All JUST Love Ilsa9) said:

Quoted message said:

This is what I am saying:

Insofar as genocide is the intentional removal or
eradication of people according to their ethnicity or
race, the allowance of HIV/AIDS to proliferate in Sub-
Saharan Africa fits that description. Who the originators
may have been, I don't know, but all of us in the nations
of the obese are a party to it, at least by way of our
indifference to what is happening.

<Sigh> How 'bout this? Can we agree that the HIV Epidemic,
especially as manifest in Africa, is a humanitarian crisis
that deserves far greater attention & aid from all
countries that can afford it?

Ten years ago, yes.

Today, in those countries where every third person has HIV,
or every third

timebomb irt others, it is no longer adequate.

Can you imagine, just for a moment, what that would be
like? To walk down to the store and know that every third
person you meet or pass on the street is so affected? And
that there are no drugs available for them, there, to
treat the disease. And little education as to what
precautions to take.

We are sitting back here in our lands of plenty, watching
the peoples of several nations self destruct.

Every 18 seconds, someone else is infected.

Every 18 seconds, someone else is infected.

If anthrax or something more deadly were released via
unknown origins into the city of Sydney in Australia and it
took out most of the population in the city within the year,
- 2,000,000 + dead, - would you describe that simply as, "An
humanitarian crisis which needs more attention"? Because
that is the number of people who died from AIDS in Africa in
2001. Just in that one year alone.

Quoted message said:

Maybe we can agree that it is the single biggest
humanitarian crisis?

I don't disagree with you as to that. However none of us who
think at all, can count ourselves exempt from what is
happening, so long as we tolerate it in silence. (Even
without the insanity of "obesity disease"😉

--
"I happen to think that the singular evil of our time is
prejudice. It is from this evil that all other evils grow
and multiply." R. Serling

On 24 Mar 2004 22:58:58 GMT, Toby Joe <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

(Cant We All JUST Love Ilsa9) said:

Quoted message said:

This is what I am saying:

Insofar as genocide is the intentional removal or
eradication of people according to their ethnicity or
race, the allowance of HIV/AIDS to proliferate in Sub-
Saharan Africa fits that description. Who the
originators may have been, I don't know, but all of us
in the nations of the obese are a party to it, at least
by way of our indifference to what is happening.

<Sigh> How 'bout this? Can we agree that the HIV
Epidemic, especially as manifest in Africa, is a
humanitarian crisis that deserves far greater attention &
aid from all countries that can afford it?

Ten years ago, yes.

Today, in those countries where every third person has HIV,
or every third

Quoted message said:

timebomb irt others, it is no longer adequate.

Can you imagine, just for a moment, what that would be
like? To walk down to the store and know that every third
person you meet or pass on the street is so affected? And
that there are no drugs available for them, there, to
treat the disease. And little education as to what
precautions to take.

We are sitting back here in our lands of plenty, watching
the peoples of several nations self destruct.

Every 18 seconds, someone else is infected.

Every 18 seconds, someone else is infected.

Please give your solution to this problem.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Maybe we can agree that it is the single biggest
humanitarian crisis?

I don't disagree with you as to that. However none of us
who think at all, can count ourselves exempt from what is
happening, so long as we tolerate it in silence. (Even
without the insanity of "obesity disease"😉

I don't believe that the problem is silence. I believe the
problem is that there is no easy solution. Still waiting for
you idea of how to change this terrible situation.

Aloha,

Rich

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"Toby Joe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

This is what I am saying: Insofar as genocide is the
intentional removal or eradication of people according to
their ethnicity or race, the allowance of HIV/AIDS to
proliferate in Sub-Saharan Africa fits that description.

And you've been asked how anyone could possibly stop AIDS
from spreading in Africa. How does the rest of the world
stop these unfortunate people from

force them not to be unfaithful on their mates? How do we
force them to wear condoms? How do we get the condoms to
them, and who pays for the billions of condoms they'll need
now and in the future? Why don't YOU come up with some
answer for these problems? How about the African Nations
themselves doing something about the problem?

Who the

Quoted message said:

originators may have been, I don't know, but all of us in
the nations of the obese are a party to it, at least by
way of our indifference to what

is

Quoted message said:

happening.

What would you have us do? Stop blaming the well fed
countries for a plague we have no control over.
--
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"Toby Joe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Can you imagine, just for a moment, what that would be
like? To walk down to the store and know that every third
person you meet or pass on the street is so affected? And
that there are no drugs available for them, there, to
treat the disease. And little education as to what
precautions to take.

People in some of the well-fed nations as you call them
aren't getting the health care they need (look at the USA)
so can't afford to ship endless billions in aid to other
Nations. We have old people here in America who can't afford
their prescription meds, and poor families who don't have
enough to eat. We have people who need transplants and can't
get them. The premiums for health insurance is killing many
of us here.

Quoted message said:

We are sitting back here in our lands of plenty, watching
the peoples of several nations self destruct.

What would you have us do? Take away more from our own? What
about the churches? Why can't they do more? Is your church
or men's group doing anything for the Africans? What about
the African Americans here and in other nations - what are
THEY doing to help?

Quoted message said:

If anthrax or something more deadly were released via
unknown origins into the city of Sydney in Australia and
it took out most of the population in the city within the
year, - 2,000,000 + dead, - would you describe that simply
as, "An humanitarian crisis which needs more attention"?
Because that is the number of people who died from AIDS in
Africa in 2001. Just in that one year alone.

What would you have us do?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Maybe we can agree that it is the single biggest
humanitarian crisis?

Quoted message said:

I don't disagree with you as to that. However none of us
who think at all, can count ourselves exempt from what is
happening, so long as we tolerate it in silence. (Even
without the insanity of "obesity disease"😉

What would you have anyone do? It may be old fashioned
thinking but we here in the USA have our *own* epidemic of
AIDS among the poor, the minorities, the drug addicts and
even the middle class when they max-out their insurance, to
support FIRST. The American taxpayers are already carrying
them.... what can we do for Africans in Africa? How much
blood can one squeeze from a turnip - how much money can one
squeeze from a taxpayer?
--
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Kim said:

"Toby Joe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Can you imagine, just for a moment, what that would be
like? To walk down to the store and know that every third
person you meet or pass on the street is so affected? And
that there are no drugs available for them, there, to
treat the disease. And little education as to what
precautions to take.

Quoted message said:

What would you have us do?

I would like to know what Toby is personally doing to stop
the "genocide".

HIV is a horrible disease that gets spread due to improper
behavior for the most part. Stop the sharing of needles and
promiscuous

is largely due to certain behavior the only way to stop it
is to have the people stop the dangerous behavior. Not sure
how you can do that.

The other option is to find a vaccine or cure.

Aloha,

Rich

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Rich.@. said:

Toby Joe <[email hidden]> wrote:>

Quoted message said:

Today, in those countries where every third person has
HIV, or every

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

walking timebomb irt others, it is no longer adequate.

Can you imagine, just for a moment, what that would be
like? To walk down to the store and know that every third
person you meet or pass on the street is so affected? And
that there are no drugs available for them, there, to
treat the disease. And little education as to what
precautions to take.

We are sitting back here in our lands of plenty, watching
the peoples of several nations self destruct.

Every 18 seconds, someone else is infected.

Every 18 seconds, someone else is infected.

Please give your solution to this problem.

In practical terms, what is needed most urgently is access
to HIV meds, access to condoms, and rapid education of the
basics as to how and why the disease spreads, - education of
ordinary people. And, access to clean water, so that people
can at least drink and wash in water that is uncontaminated.

Once there is sufficient will and intention to bring about
radical change in some area, then that can be sometimes be
done quite rapidly. That is all it may require, - sufficient
will and intention.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Maybe we can agree that it is the single biggest
humanitarian crisis?

I don't disagree with you as to that. However none of us
who think at all, can count ourselves exempt from what is
happening, so long as we tolerate it in silence. (Even
without the insanity of "obesity disease"😉

I don't believe that the problem is silence. I believe the
problem is that there is no easy solution.

In regard to specific, localised groups, the opposite is
true. Because people there survive on so little, and have
so little - of anything (education, medicines, hygiene,
clean water, warm blankets), - because of that, even the
smallest actions that individuals from the wealthy nations
could take, can bring about a greater change than could
result from similar actions in other countries. Minimal
active interest or concern on the part of any of us, can
have the potential to change the course of life for others
over there.

At a national level, Brazil has apparently had success with
turning the tide of the epidemic and providing affordable
meds for those who need it. And they have also achieved that
in a largely Catholic population. - in conjunction with
concerned members of the RC church. But I have not
researched it, so I don't know much about it.

--
"I happen to think that the singular evil of our time is
prejudice. It is from this evil that all other evils grow
and multiply." R. Serling

please forgive the repost, but it went through as x-no, and
I'd like it archived, as I am hoping that awareness will be
increased irt this

Rich.@. said:

Toby Joe <[email hidden]> wrote:>

Quoted message said:

Today, in those countries where every third person has
HIV, or every

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

walking timebomb irt others, it is no longer adequate.

Can you imagine, just for a moment, what that would be
like? To walk down to the store and know that every third
person you meet or pass on the street is so affected? And
that there are no drugs available for them, there, to
treat the disease. And little education as to what
precautions to take.

We are sitting back here in our lands of plenty, watching
the peoples of several nations self destruct.

Every 18 seconds, someone else is infected.

Every 18 seconds, someone else is infected.

Please give your solution to this problem.

In practical terms, what is needed most urgently is access
to HIV meds, access to condoms, and rapid education of the
basics as to how and why the disease spreads, - education of
ordinary people. And, access to clean water, so that people
can at least drink and wash in water that is uncontaminated.

Once there is sufficient will and intention to bring about
radical change in some area, then that can be sometimes be
done quite rapidly. That is all it may require, - sufficient
will and intention.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Maybe we can agree that it is the single biggest
humanitarian crisis?

I don't disagree with you as to that. However none of us
who think at all, can count ourselves exempt from what is
happening, so long as we tolerate it in silence. (Even
without the insanity of "obesity disease"😉

I don't believe that the problem is silence. I believe the
problem is that there is no easy solution.

In regard to specific, localised groups, the opposite is
true. Because people there survive on so little, and have
so little - of anything (education, medicines, hygiene,
clean water, warm blankets), - because of that, even the
smallest actions that individuals from the wealthy nations
could take, can bring about a greater change than could
result from similar actions in other countries. Minimal
active interest or concern on the part of any of us, can
have the potential to change the course of life for others
over there.

At a national level, Brazil has apparently had success with
turning the tide of the epidemic and providing affordable
meds for those who need it. And they have also achieved that
in a largely Catholic population. - in conjunction with
concerned members of the RC church. But I have not
researched it, so I don't know much about it.

--
"I happen to think that the singular evil of our time is
prejudice. It is from this evil that all other evils grow
and multiply." R. Serling

In article <[email hidden]>,

Toby Joe said:

Rich.@. said:

Toby Joe <[email hidden]> wrote:>

Quoted message said:

Today, in those countries where every third person has
HIV, or every

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

walking timebomb irt others, it is no longer adequate.

Can you imagine, just for a moment, what that would be
like? To walk down to the store and know that every
third person you meet or pass on the street is so
affected? And that there are no drugs available for
them, there, to treat the disease. And little education
as to what precautions to take.

We are sitting back here in our lands of plenty,
watching the peoples of several nations self destruct.

Every 18 seconds, someone else is infected.

Every 18 seconds, someone else is infected.

Please give your solution to this problem.

In practical terms, what is needed most urgently is access
to HIV meds, access to condoms, and rapid education of the
basics as to how and why the disease spreads, - education
of ordinary people.

And this will work? Sorry, but I'm skeptical.

Quoted message said:

And, access to clean water, so that people can at least
drink and wash in water that is uncontaminated.

What's the water supply got to do with AIDS? Nothing that I
can see, at least not directly (I suppose someone with AIDS
is more susceptible to water-borne infections).

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my
opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If I
have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were
standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

Kim said:

"Toby Joe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

This is what I am saying: Insofar as genocide is the
intentional removal or eradication of people according
to their ethnicity or race, the allowance of HIV/AIDS to
proliferate in Sub-Saharan Africa fits that description.

And you've been asked how anyone could possibly stop AIDS
from spreading in Africa. How does the rest of the world
stop these unfortunate people

"Those unfortunate people" are our brother and sister
human beings.

They do need access to condoms, they do need education as to
safe practices, and they do sometimes need an antidote to
wrong or harmful church teachings which say that they should
not even mention the word "condoms".

Quoted message said:

other than their wives.

I've heard that happens in the US, the UK, through Europe
and Australasia,
b.i.o.n.

Please stop trying to suggest that they are somehow
inherently more promiscuous in comparison to, say, the US,
because I believe that is not the case for the ordinary
young people. Again, they live with daily problems such as
hunger, malnutrition, extreme poverty, and other diseases
such as malaria.

Yes, they do need education about many things, and in
particular about safe health practices.

Quoted message said:

How do we force them not to be unfaithful on their mates?
How do we force them to wear condoms?

When it was explained to them and the condoms were there,
they understood immediately and would use them if available.
People adjust their behaviour according to what they know
and learn. And there are many who _are_ totally monogamous
and are faithful to their spouse all their life (and
obviously more of those are the ones who remain uninfected
today), but who is going to protect their children, and the
many orphans of siblings that each family now carries?
Without education, without access to basic safe health
measures, the future looks impossibly bleak for some of
those people. (And yet, strangely perhaps, they are often a
very cheerful people, who love music and singing and dance,
and who are enthusiastic about life, and appreciative of
many small things - from those of whom I have learned over
the last couple of years.)

Quoted message said:

How do we get the condoms to them, and who pays for the
billions of condoms they'll need now and in the future?

At a governmental level, when it was thought that dangerous
biological agents were lurking elsewhere, such as could
cause widespread disease and devastation, cost was not an
issue. Forces were mobilised; the problem was addressed. (3-
4 billion US per month, currently). Same attitude should
apply here, where a deadly biological agent is destroying
several countries very rapidly.

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Why don't YOU come up with some answer for these problems?

The beginning of an answer would be in people in wealthier
nations no longer screening it out from their consciousness.

Quoted message said:

How about the African Nations themselves doing something
about the problem?

In those countries where one in three (in at least one
country it is now 40% - almost every second adult other than
the very old) has HIV in some form, and where they have also
been through famines and other challenges, - in some of
those places they can't do it on their own. Where entire
families are gone, leaving children only, - if the problem
is going to be addressed there has to be help from outside,
from those nations and people who are able to help.

Quoted message said:

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Who the originators may have been, I don't know, but all
of us in the nations of the obese are a party to it, at
least by way of our indifference to what is happening.

What would you have us do?

Only, try and understand, and keep on trying to understand
what it means for the people who are there and who are going
through this.

To not dismiss them as people who are somehow inferior, or
as people who don't count as humans.

Quoted message said:

Stop blaming the well fed countries for a plague we have
no control over.

Who apparently have little control over their own plague,
either, according to this:

www.medscape.com/viewarticle/470991?mpid=26270

--
"I happen to think that the singular evil of our time is
prejudice. It is from this evil that all other evils grow
and multiply." R. Serling

Toby Joe said:

Quoted message said:

What would you have us do?

Only, try and understand, and keep on trying to understand
what it means for the people who are there and who are
going through this.

Some call it *natural selection*.
--

W_B

Take out the G'RBAGE for private e-mail
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Quoted message said:

Toby Joe said:

Quoted message said:

What would you have us do?

Only, try and understand, and keep on trying to
understand what it means for the people who are there and
who are going through this.

Some call it *natural selection*.

And some call it extermination by callous indifference.

--
"I happen to think that the singular evil of our time is
prejudice. It is from this evil that all other evils grow
and multiply." R. Serling

On 25 Mar 2004 03:36:07 GMT, Toby Joe <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Kim said:

"Toby Joe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

This is what I am saying: Insofar as genocide is the
intentional removal or eradication of people according
to their ethnicity or race, the allowance of HIV/AIDS
to proliferate in Sub-Saharan Africa fits that
description.

And you've been asked how anyone could possibly stop AIDS
from spreading in Africa. How does the rest of the world
stop these unfortunate people

"Those unfortunate people" are our brother and sister
human beings.

Yes they are. We all cannot save the world. If you are so
interested in these people why don't you go to Africa and do
some volunteer work Toby??

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

They do need access to condoms, they do need education as
to safe practices, and they do sometimes need an antidote
to wrong or harmful church teachings which say that they
should not even mention the word "condoms".

Are you aware that condoms are made available to many in
Africa and they choose not to use them. Are you aware of the
millions of dollars that the United States has given to
Africa to help with the AIDS problem??

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other than their wives.

I've heard that happens in the US, the UK, through Europe
and Australasia,
b.i.o.n.

Yes it does.

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Please stop trying to suggest that they are somehow
inherently more promiscuous in comparison to, say, the US,
because I believe that is not the case for the ordinary
young people. Again, they live with daily problems such as
hunger, malnutrition, extreme poverty, and other diseases
such as malaria.

How do you explain why the infection rate is so high??

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Yes, they do need education about many things, and in
particular about safe health practices.

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How do we force them not to be unfaithful on their mates?
How do we force them to wear condoms?

When it was explained to them and the condoms were there,
they understood immediately and would use them if
available. People adjust their behaviour according to what
they know and learn.

Maybe, maybe not. Don't assume that people will act in their
best interests. Educational programs and condoms have been
made available to these people.

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How do we get the condoms to them, and who pays for the
billions of condoms they'll need now and in the future?

At a governmental level, when it was thought that dangerous
biological agents were lurking elsewhere, such as could
cause widespread disease and devastation, cost was not an
issue. Forces were mobilised; the problem was addressed.
(3-4 billion US per month, currently). Same attitude should
apply here, where a deadly biological agent is destroying
several countries very rapidly.

How much have you given to the cause??

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Why don't YOU come up with some answer for these
problems?

The beginning of an answer would be in people in wealthier
nations no longer screening it out from their
consciousness.

Money is not necessarily going to solve this problem. There
is no cure for AIDS. Prevention is the key.

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How about the African Nations themselves doing something
about the problem?

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What would you have us do?

Only, try and understand, and keep on trying to understand
what it means for the people who are there and who are
going through this.

What makes you think that people don't understand??

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To not dismiss them as people who are somehow inferior, or
as people who don't count as humans.

Who is saying any of that?? How about all the people
starving in North Korea or India or Pakistan. Should we feed
all of them too??

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Stop blaming the well fed countries for a plague we have
no control over.

Who apparently have little control over their own plague,
either, according to this:

www.medscape.com/viewarticle/470991?mpid=26270

That link just sent me to the Medscape page.

Aloha,

Rich

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