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John Crankshaw
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A riding buddy says that when his chain got to 1/16" elongation he flipped it over and it was tight
like new again.
Haven't tried it. What do you think?
like new again.
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Doug Huffman
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I think - without measuring/observing - that there will be some difference in the 'elongation'. But
"tight like new"?
"John Crankshaw" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:h3n_b.77089$hR.1586144@bgtnsc05-
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| A riding buddy says that when his chain got to 1/16" elongation he flipped it over and it was
| tight like new again.
|
| Haven't tried it. What do you think?
|
|
"tight like new"?
"John Crankshaw" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:h3n_b.77089$hR.1586144@bgtnsc05-
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| A riding buddy says that when his chain got to 1/16" elongation he flipped it over and it was
| tight like new again.
|
| Haven't tried it. What do you think?
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Robert Chung
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John Crankshaw wrote:
> A riding buddy says that when his chain got to 1/16" elongation he flipped it over and it was
> tight like new again.
>
> Haven't tried it. What do you think?
I put a half-twist in my chains and reconnect them like a Moebius strip. Chain wear is evened out
and since the wear surface is doubled, so is lifespan.
> A riding buddy says that when his chain got to 1/16" elongation he flipped it over and it was
> tight like new again.
>
> Haven't tried it. What do you think?
I put a half-twist in my chains and reconnect them like a Moebius strip. Chain wear is evened out
and since the wear surface is doubled, so is lifespan.
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JayofMontreal
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> John Crankshaw wrote:
> > A riding buddy says that when his chain got to 1/16" elongation he flipped it over and it was
> > tight like new again.
> >
> > Haven't tried it. What do you think?
>
> I put a half-twist in my chains and reconnect them like a Moebius strip. Chain wear is evened out
> and since the wear surface is doubled, so is lifespan.
>
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> John Crankshaw wrote:
> > A riding buddy says that when his chain got to 1/16" elongation he flipped it over and it was
> > tight like new again.
> >
> > Haven't tried it. What do you think?
>
> I put a half-twist in my chains and reconnect them like a Moebius strip. Chain wear is evened out
> and since the wear surface is doubled, so is lifespan.
>
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Jobst Brandt
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John Crankshaw writes:
> A riding buddy says that when his chain got to 1/16" elongation he flipped it over and it was
> tight like new again.
Elongation is measured on the straight run of the chain and that doesn't change when you turn the
the chain. It is the pitch of the incoming straight chain as it rolls onto sprockets that is the
problem and this remains unchanged regardless of orientation.
I think avoiding this rider's "good tips" would be a prudent measure.
Jobst Brandt [email protected]
> A riding buddy says that when his chain got to 1/16" elongation he flipped it over and it was
> tight like new again.
Elongation is measured on the straight run of the chain and that doesn't change when you turn the
the chain. It is the pitch of the incoming straight chain as it rolls onto sprockets that is the
problem and this remains unchanged regardless of orientation.
I think avoiding this rider's "good tips" would be a prudent measure.
Jobst Brandt [email protected]
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Werehatrack
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On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 13:17:01 GMT, "John Crankshaw"
<[email protected]> may have said:
>A riding buddy says that when his chain got to 1/16" elongation he flipped it over and it was tight
>like new again.
>
>Haven't tried it. What do you think?
I think your acquaintance needs to take a second look at his chain. It's still worn out.
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>A riding buddy says that when his chain got to 1/16" elongation he flipped it over and it was tight
>like new again.
>
>Haven't tried it. What do you think?
I think your acquaintance needs to take a second look at his chain. It's still worn out.
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Chris Zacho "Th
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On the older, UniGlide cogs, you could flip them over to prolong their existance, because only one
edgee of the teeth sees wear fron chain contact.
I don't think the same applies for the chains.
"May you have the wind at your back. And a really low gear for the hills!"
Chris Zacho ~ "Your Friendly Neighborhood Wheelman"
Chris'Z Corner http://www.geocities.com/czcorner
edgee of the teeth sees wear fron chain contact.
I don't think the same applies for the chains.
"May you have the wind at your back. And a really low gear for the hills!"
Chris Zacho ~ "Your Friendly Neighborhood Wheelman"
Chris'Z Corner http://www.geocities.com/czcorner
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G.Daniels
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? clean chain twice with solvent.clean clean. flex chain sideways and listen for silica
disintegration. oil chain in bath. hang chain from hook.allows penetration.dry chain in heat source
before using. replace most slightly worn cassette sprocket cog with new spare, often the middle cog
be aware of what cog (s) yawl ridin' in and move to other cogs. spread the wear. turn the chain over
as an experiment. it may be that a slightly worn in elliptical and conelike chain run in a reverse
direction will: 1:skip and 2) wear the cogs and CR faster than ... but its allexperimental. doing it
and observing the resul;ts may tyeach more than the associated immediate costs involved. put the
removable chain link back on exactly as it came off using coloured paperclips
for example: how many oil changes and filters equal a rebuild given yawl doin' the works
installation et. al. yawlself?
disintegration. oil chain in bath. hang chain from hook.allows penetration.dry chain in heat source
before using. replace most slightly worn cassette sprocket cog with new spare, often the middle cog
be aware of what cog (s) yawl ridin' in and move to other cogs. spread the wear. turn the chain over
as an experiment. it may be that a slightly worn in elliptical and conelike chain run in a reverse
direction will: 1:skip and 2) wear the cogs and CR faster than ... but its allexperimental. doing it
and observing the resul;ts may tyeach more than the associated immediate costs involved. put the
removable chain link back on exactly as it came off using coloured paperclips
for example: how many oil changes and filters equal a rebuild given yawl doin' the works
installation et. al. yawlself?
M
Mark Buell
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Wahl, I hope thas all jus tung in cheek, as they say.
Howevah, I will say, in an OT sort o' way, thet 56K miles on
my VW saw a rebuild with religious oil and filter changes.
As you infer, very expensive DIY oil changes. On the other
hand, several other gasoline powered, and human powered
vehicles have relied on my sometimes less than stellar care,
and have survived for many many moons. I think we ken rule
out the possibility that the DIY approach is a hidden cost.
Cheers, and all in good fun; Mark
If'n you reaally want my reply to pull out the stops
mastopsrk_bustopsell(at)yahoo.com
> paperclips
>
> for example: how many oil changes and filters equal a
> rebuild given yawl doin' the works installation et. al.
> yawlself?
Howevah, I will say, in an OT sort o' way, thet 56K miles on
my VW saw a rebuild with religious oil and filter changes.
As you infer, very expensive DIY oil changes. On the other
hand, several other gasoline powered, and human powered
vehicles have relied on my sometimes less than stellar care,
and have survived for many many moons. I think we ken rule
out the possibility that the DIY approach is a hidden cost.
Cheers, and all in good fun; Mark
If'n you reaally want my reply to pull out the stops
mastopsrk_bustopsell(at)yahoo.com
> paperclips
>
> for example: how many oil changes and filters equal a
> rebuild given yawl doin' the works installation et. al.
> yawlself?
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Robrac
Guest
The old air cooled VW engine had a design flaw, the oil
cooler blocked the airflow to number three cylinder, which
caused the exhaust valve to burn. The only way to save the
valve on a stock engine was to adjust the valves
religiously. In addition to the oil and air filters, without
the valve adjustment you were in deep doo doo, and the
problem was that the valves had to be adjusted with the
engine cold. Which meant that the dealers either spent the
extra time and made certain that the engine was cold, or
they did a poor job. The best time was to do the DIY work
first thing in the morning, when the engine was stone cold.
The solution was to install an external oil cooler, and the
do it yourself ers would do just that when they were
rebuilding the engine.
Now, if you want to talk about rebuilding the carb, well,
that was fun too.
Anyway, the VW engine has no correlation to a bicycle, and
there are fewer major design flaws on a bicycle.
rob
On Fri, 12 Mar 2004 17:25:37 -0800,
[email protected] (Mark Buell) wrote:
>Wahl, I hope thas all jus tung in cheek, as they say.
>Howevah, I will say, in an OT sort o' way, thet 56K miles
>on my VW saw a rebuild with religious oil and filter
>changes. As you infer, very expensive DIY oil changes. On
>the other hand, several other gasoline powered, and human
>powered vehicles have relied on my sometimes less than
>stellar care, and have survived for many many moons. I
>think we ken rule out the possibility that the DIY approach
>is a hidden cost.
>
>Cheers, and all in good fun; Mark
>
>If'n you reaally want my reply to pull out the stops
>mastopsrk_bustopsell(at)yahoo.com
>
>> paperclips
>>
>> for example: how many oil changes and filters equal a
>> rebuild given yawl doin' the works installation et. al.
>> yawlself?
cooler blocked the airflow to number three cylinder, which
caused the exhaust valve to burn. The only way to save the
valve on a stock engine was to adjust the valves
religiously. In addition to the oil and air filters, without
the valve adjustment you were in deep doo doo, and the
problem was that the valves had to be adjusted with the
engine cold. Which meant that the dealers either spent the
extra time and made certain that the engine was cold, or
they did a poor job. The best time was to do the DIY work
first thing in the morning, when the engine was stone cold.
The solution was to install an external oil cooler, and the
do it yourself ers would do just that when they were
rebuilding the engine.
Now, if you want to talk about rebuilding the carb, well,
that was fun too.
Anyway, the VW engine has no correlation to a bicycle, and
there are fewer major design flaws on a bicycle.
rob
On Fri, 12 Mar 2004 17:25:37 -0800,
[email protected] (Mark Buell) wrote:
>Wahl, I hope thas all jus tung in cheek, as they say.
>Howevah, I will say, in an OT sort o' way, thet 56K miles
>on my VW saw a rebuild with religious oil and filter
>changes. As you infer, very expensive DIY oil changes. On
>the other hand, several other gasoline powered, and human
>powered vehicles have relied on my sometimes less than
>stellar care, and have survived for many many moons. I
>think we ken rule out the possibility that the DIY approach
>is a hidden cost.
>
>Cheers, and all in good fun; Mark
>
>If'n you reaally want my reply to pull out the stops
>mastopsrk_bustopsell(at)yahoo.com
>
>> paperclips
>>
>> for example: how many oil changes and filters equal a
>> rebuild given yawl doin' the works installation et. al.
>> yawlself?
M
Mark Buell
Guest
[email protected] says...
> Anyway, the VW engine has no correlation to a bicycle, and
> there are fewer major design flaws on a bicycle.
>
> rob
As to being OT I plead guilty, sir. And that there is no
correlation as well. However, it was
> >Cheers, and all in good fun;
c ya Mark
> Anyway, the VW engine has no correlation to a bicycle, and
> there are fewer major design flaws on a bicycle.
>
> rob
As to being OT I plead guilty, sir. And that there is no
correlation as well. However, it was
> >Cheers, and all in good fun;
c ya Mark
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Carl Fogel
Guest
robrac <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> The old air cooled VW engine had a design flaw, the oil
> cooler blocked the airflow to number three cylinder,
> which caused the exhaust valve to burn. The only way to
> save the valve on a stock engine was to adjust the valves
> religiously. In addition to the oil and air filters,
> without the valve adjustment you were in deep doo doo,
> and the problem was that the valves had to be adjusted
> with the engine cold. Which meant that the dealers either
> spent the extra time and made certain that the engine was
> cold, or they did a poor job. The best time was to do the
> DIY work first thing in the morning, when the engine was
> stone cold.
>
> The solution was to install an external oil cooler, and
> the do it yourself ers would do just that when they were
> rebuilding the engine.
>
> Now, if you want to talk about rebuilding the carb, well,
> that was fun too.
>
> Anyway, the VW engine has no correlation to a bicycle, and
> there are fewer major design flaws on a bicycle.
>
> rob
>
Dear Rob,
If burning VW valves interest you, this should make your
day:
http://www.csd.uwo.ca/~pettypi/elevon/baugher_us/b029-
09.html
Search for "115" in this lengthy page about B-29 bombers,
and you'll get a somewhat sanitized explanation for the B-
29's terrible loss rate and for the mountains of discarded
engines on islands in the Pacific. (Similar engine fires
doomed the first test B-29 over Seattle, where the 115
degree ground temperatures accused of being the culprit in
India are unknown.)
When a B-29's valves failed, its magnesium engine cases
caught fire and burned through its main wing spar in less
than a minute.
In case there turns out to be a correlation to bicycles, I
have resolved to check the Schrader valves on my Fury
Roadmaster before every ride.
Carl Fogel
> The old air cooled VW engine had a design flaw, the oil
> cooler blocked the airflow to number three cylinder,
> which caused the exhaust valve to burn. The only way to
> save the valve on a stock engine was to adjust the valves
> religiously. In addition to the oil and air filters,
> without the valve adjustment you were in deep doo doo,
> and the problem was that the valves had to be adjusted
> with the engine cold. Which meant that the dealers either
> spent the extra time and made certain that the engine was
> cold, or they did a poor job. The best time was to do the
> DIY work first thing in the morning, when the engine was
> stone cold.
>
> The solution was to install an external oil cooler, and
> the do it yourself ers would do just that when they were
> rebuilding the engine.
>
> Now, if you want to talk about rebuilding the carb, well,
> that was fun too.
>
> Anyway, the VW engine has no correlation to a bicycle, and
> there are fewer major design flaws on a bicycle.
>
> rob
>
Dear Rob,
If burning VW valves interest you, this should make your
day:
http://www.csd.uwo.ca/~pettypi/elevon/baugher_us/b029-
09.html
Search for "115" in this lengthy page about B-29 bombers,
and you'll get a somewhat sanitized explanation for the B-
29's terrible loss rate and for the mountains of discarded
engines on islands in the Pacific. (Similar engine fires
doomed the first test B-29 over Seattle, where the 115
degree ground temperatures accused of being the culprit in
India are unknown.)
When a B-29's valves failed, its magnesium engine cases
caught fire and burned through its main wing spar in less
than a minute.
In case there turns out to be a correlation to bicycles, I
have resolved to check the Schrader valves on my Fury
Roadmaster before every ride.
Carl Fogel
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