Vortex ram

datakoll said:

the idea creates more drag and more drag and more drag
without creating energy
the idea doesn't create energy, it creates drag-friction-heat-energy
loss.
the energy must come from somewhere if only creative writing, not
quotable obfuscations.

Compare it to a sailboat sailing up-wind having a windmill on it.

The ship could use it's anchor to power the windmill just the same
moving up the wind should allow for the same wind to be used.

The windmill works when it's standing still, it doesn't stop working
when we sail ahead.

So we can also use a windmill to power the bike directly. ^_^

It's how sailing works basically.

So theoretically we can go as fast as we want. But we don't want to
use batteries and we don't want a gigantic vehicle. We want an
Ærodinamic shape that accelerates it self. I think the facts say it's
worth looking for gold here. I'm not claiming we will find any but it
could potentially make us laugh all the way out of the oil age. I
think drag is the only reason bicycles don't go 100 km/hr without
effort? So we would be happy if you just find some major improvements.
^_^

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http://blog.360.yahoo.com/factuurexpress?tag=bicycle&list=1

more drag. it's only windmill's turning. listen. The sailboat's
windmill will generate auxiliary electricity but a windmill large
enlough to power the sailboat-nada.

the idea with creative writing in perpetual motion is intriguing
obfuscation when you get to the daynewmah

"The ship could use it's anchor to power the windmill just the same
moving up the wind should allow for the same wind to be used....."
gotta flesh it ut so it's beyond confusing to entertaining: once
entertained, you're in!
maybe there's a bibliography in cyberspace?

BTW, my story is a new and apparently somewhat original complete
explaination of reality. TOOT TOOT

datakoll said:

[snip]

I'm not your babysitter Mr datakoll.

Try find something interesting to say.

sheeeeet. this here's a disssssscussssion group. Who dya wanna speak
with? Brandt Brown, Armstrong, Muzi, Chalo... Phil Brown?
Weeez sitting you dude.

datakoll aka gene daniels said:

sheeeeet. this here's a disssssscussssion group. Who dya wanna speak
with? Brandt Brown, Armstrong, Muzi, Chalo... Phil Brown?
Weeez sitting you dude.

Armstrong posts to rec.bicycles.tech?

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
"Localized intense suction such as tornadoes is created when temperature
differences are high enough between meeting air masses, and can impart
excessive energy onto a cyclist." - Randy Schlitter

On Dec 12, 5:41 am, Tom Sherman <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
"Localized intense suction such as tornadoes is created when temperature
differences are high enough between meeting air masses, and can impart
excessive energy onto a cyclist." - Randy Schlitter

Thanks for the Randy Schitter quote. I just knew there had to be some
one outside the general "nay". :-)

http://www.rans.com/company.htm

DougC said:

Chalo said:

....
I didn't assume that the OP was attempting to design a device that
would be propelled directly into the airstream passing over it. If
that's what he was getting at, it's pretty silly.

Quoted message said:

Chalo

People assumed this was impossible for a great period of time, but it
has been solved--at least for boats. Not so much a "boat" as a
cigar-shaped bobber-type thing, with a big wind-driven propeller on top
and a small water propeller on the bottom end. It automatically faces
into, and travels against the wind--by wind power.
~

But now that we have datakoll spamming his gospel in the topic there
has to be something he doesn't like here. It's almost like a hydrogen
on demand discussion. I even read the words perpetual motion? ha-ha?

But it's an interesting topic. It basically doesn't matter how fast
the vehicle moves up the wind, the wind it self can always be used.

An S shaped blade standing up vertically makes a great windmill, it
can capture a lot of wind. For a vehicle the part in the center should
be removed. I'm currently investigating if they can be used to guide
the wind outwards in front and inwards behind the vehicle. This seems
to be the most workable. solution up to now.

I've made a new post here.
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.tech/browse_frm/thread/c93719739bfe9ae7

_____
more on "Wind"
http://blog.360.yahoo.com/factuurexpress?tag=wind&list=1

datakoll said:

more drag. it's only windmill's turning. listen. The sailboat's
windmill will generate auxiliary electricity but a windmill large
enlough to power the sailboat-nada.

Never mind boats, think of a wheeled platform with a windmill connected
through some nice low gears to the wheels. I think you will be able to
move forwards into the wind perfectly well.

You've got gears so you can get as much force as you like at the wheels.
You've got power >0 from the windmill. That's all you need.

Stormgrin?

On 2007-12-12, datakoll <[email hidden]> wrote:
"but a windmill large enlough to power the sailboat-nada."

http://i.treehugger.com/images/2007-2-21/Windmill-Sailboat.jpg

???

Gaby De Wilde said:

Here, this is fun.http://community-2.webtv.net/SkyVessel/Control/

Also:http://www.rexresearch.com/alxandr/alexandr.htm

He wasn't the first to build it. Not the first fuel less auto to
disappear either. But he does seem to explain why his engine works.

Umm, he just whisks together some meaningless mumbo-jumbo that
probably sounded more esoteric then than it does now. But then, your
story was published in the National Tattler, which was a tabloid
comparable to the Weekly World News ("WWII Bomber Found On Moon!"😉:

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http://www.goantiques.com/detail,national-tattler-brigitte,734889.html
http://a-hole-in-the-head.blogspot.com/2007/04/national-tattler-and-other-tales-from.html

It seems the Tattler was all over the whole fuelless-car theme,
though:
http://www.free-energy.ws/images/Img0002.jpg
http://www.free-energy.ws/images/Img0001.jpg
http://www.free-energy.ws/images/2inventors1.jpg
http://www.free-energy.ws/images/WorldsFirst1.jpg
(All above images and more at http://www.free-energy.ws/gray.html )

The link you posted was a 1973 story, which means that the "invention"
is well out of patent protection by now. Go get 'em, tiger! You
could make a fortune from magical fuelless cars these days, as long as
they're magical fuelless giant SUVs.

Quoted message said:

I think you are capable of making sense of it.

No, it takes a break from reality to make sense of it-- unless by
"make sense of" you mean "dismiss as false".

Chalo

well, you have this BS covered somewhat. try reading my stuff, which
is real and ranks for potential energy production. all in groups
sci.geo.earthquakes. and Ann Rand off course-wikipedia if not up to
actually reading.

rattle rattle

Chalo said:

No, it takes a break from reality to make sense of it-- unless by
"make sense of" you mean "dismiss as false".

Personally I read what some one wrote then I treat it as something
some one wrote.

I never agree or disagree with anything.

The information should speak for it self.

But as productive vortexes are much to complicated to ram into place
I've combined the concept with 2 windmills mounted to the side facing
a bit forwards. They should face forwards enough for the forwards
moving side of the blade to tack up the drag.

Each cubic meter of converted drag holds a fixed amount of wind.

Thus I conclude:

Going faster = more wind

lol

But using propellers is cheating I think. I don't know how but it
should eventually be done solid state I bet.

:-)

neuronal synapse

Chalo said:

Gaby De Wilde said:

Here, this is fun.http://community-2.webtv.net/SkyVessel/Control/

Also:http://www.rexresearch.com/alxandr/alexandr.htm

He wasn't the first to build it. Not the first fuel less auto to
disappear either. But he does seem to explain why his engine works.

Umm, he just whisks together some meaningless mumbo-jumbo that
probably sounded more esoteric then than it does now. But then, your
story was published in the National Tattler, which was a tabloid
comparable to the Weekly World News ("WWII Bomber Found On Moon!"😉:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220147771422
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320168189425
http://www.goantiques.com/detail,national-tattler-brigitte,734889.html
http://a-hole-in-the-head.blogspot.com/2007/04/national-tattler-and-other-tales-from.html

It seems the Tattler was all over the whole fuelless-car theme,
though:
http://www.free-energy.ws/images/Img0002.jpg
http://www.free-energy.ws/images/Img0001.jpg
http://www.free-energy.ws/images/2inventors1.jpg
http://www.free-energy.ws/images/WorldsFirst1.jpg
(All above images and more at http://www.free-energy.ws/gray.html )

The link you posted was a 1973 story, which means that the "invention"
is well out of patent protection by now. Go get 'em, tiger! You
could make a fortune from magical fuelless cars these days, as long as
they're magical fuelless giant SUVs.

Quoted message said:

I think you are capable of making sense of it.

No, it takes a break from reality to make sense of it-- unless by
"make sense of" you mean "dismiss as false".

Chalo

Dear Chalo,

Nice links!

I particularly enjoyed the part about how the miracle engine produced
10 horsepower, roughly 7,500 watts, using only 26.8 watts from the
batteries. With this technology, a pair of bicycle light generators
could power a riding lawnmower!

Speaking of tabloids . . .

In "Missionary Stew," the late Ross Thomas has an unfortunate reporter
meeting his mother, who runs a tabloid similar to the Tattler. The
reporter's misfortune was to be jailed in Africa and to be told that
he was eating monkey meat that turned out to be the missionary stew
that the dictator sometimes enjoyed. His mother, a practical sort,
offers to buy his story for her readers. Although homeless and
clinically depressed after his release from prison, he declines his
mother's of $50,000 for the text for "My Son, the Cannibal."

On his way through the tabloid office hallway to meet his mother,
"What really bothered Citron was the cryptlike silence . . . There
were no ringing phones. No typewriters. No teletypes. No voices. There
were only closed doors behind which Citron suspected perfectly
god-awful fibs were being carefully concocted. He even thought one up
himself: TOT LOCKED IN FRIDGE GNAWS OFF TOES, although he wasn't all
at sure he hadn't cribbed that one from a copy of the 'Investigator'
he had scanned once while standing in line, food stamps in hand, at
the checkout counter . . ."

As I used to point out to impressionable freshmen, a good writer
reinforces his theme in subtle ways. It's no accident that Thomas has
his reporter come up with a headline about a child eating his own toes
while locked in a refrigerator, nor that the image is associated with
food stamps. After all, the reporter was imprisoned, starved, and
tricked into eating the flesh of some other innocent even more
unfortunate than himself.

Thanks for reminding me about that passage involving the tabloid
headline--I hadn't ever really stopped to think about it.

Cheers,

Carl Fogel

RETIRED TEACHER ATTACKED BY CACTUS

datakoll said:

RETIRED TEACHER ATTACKED BY CACTUS

[censored]

datakoll said:

well, you have this BS covered somewhat. try reading my stuff, which
is real and ranks for potential energy production. all in groups
sci.geo.earthquakes. and Ann Rand off course-wikipedia if not up to
actually reading.

rattle rattle

Yes, you clearly are upset by this topic.

It makes you talk all colors of diarrhea.

This is fascinating.

There is something here that is worth your time.

It's not hard to guess.

But you are now debunked.

:-)

On Dec 6, 4:44 am, datakoll <[email hidden]> wrote:
: a "negative drag" -to suit your search-occurs when an EQ wave passes
: thru your location: a paranormal doppler effect.
: ebergy from the surrounding atmosphereic voltage can be feed into
the
: "vortex" producing enhanced effects-like spooks, murphies law, heat
: lightning...

On Dec 6, 4:48 am, datakoll <[email hidden]> wrote:
: winter

On Dec 6, 2:16 pm, datakoll <[email hidden]> wrote:
: OK where does the effect suck energy from? unless you have a Mormon
or
: Ohio xemption, you must identify where the device get's its energy.
I
: mean like if the universe has to do it then you gotta do it.
: Qouting Pioters, France has no grip

On Dec 7, 12:56 am, datakoll <[email hidden]> wrote:
:
: I'm late. it's 6:55. I has a potato buring in the microwave.
:
: Ok. I haven't read the whole thing but whatever your purpose.
: The device, any device, generates heat from friction. So, as you
: develop the idea in fiction writing, recovering heat loss or better
: than generating heat loss takes the writing to a place of escape.
: Escape is a good start there. I'm waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay behind on my SF
: so....
: You are GD Wilde and off course I am also 'GD Wilde' so you, the
: poseur ? are suspect. In fact under the current conditions you are
: decidedly stinky.
: But as I am the real thing, I'll let you in on some reality.
: If you're not suspect then let me ask you what you thought of my
first
: reply?
: When I began writing bicycle, The Skeptic showed in RBT and began a
: loooong whoha about this and that. He went away. He doesn't annoy me
: as I have a International AAA psychic rating and I'm one of the good
: guys.
: I have a two page resume!
: Including trying to save the country several times and the planet,
the
: planet with a free energy device, a collector energy trap for the 40
: microvolts/meter''' I am what is called a "ground" and I'm
: telekinetic.
: I have demonstrated the effects and NASA investigated. I'm living at
: Cape Canaveral to devote a year's time to collector and national
: security within the NASA intelligence sphere-like a large university
: effect.
: I can use the effect to produce rain. I asked a main researcher in
: that area if he was interested: never heard from him.
: There's a lot going on here. Ever see "THE MAN WHO FELL TO EARTH"?
: The Mafia hired women, the psychics you see advertsing, to read my
: mind and scream at me thru ship's hailer mounted on pickup trucks
and
: vans, one now in my backyard- everytime I think.
: 24/7/365 for 14 years. The FBI, Florida Sheriff's, FDLE, NASA all
: support the continuous attack.
: So far, the attack cost the mob close to one million dollars.
: The mob controls and directs the USAF and National Guard fighters to
: strafe me while I'm running an experiment. The mob collects and
: orders 7-8 fishing boats to stand off shore where I'm remotely
camped
: so I cannot develop the idea: the boats blow horns together when I
try
: to think in terms of a collector.
: Here at Cape Canaveral, the local sheriff allows the mob to
broadcast
: CONTINUOUS screaming threats at 140-160 db thru my backyard from
10PM
: to 6AM, against county ordinance. Many of my neighbors in a gated
: beach community work at KSC. They support the mob as does most of
the
: local population. NASA workers support the mob. You know, the mob
that
: poisons NASA's children with narcotics and meth. Many NASA workers
are
: the mob. Certainly the Sheriff's are the mob.
: None of these people are interested in energy collection or national
: security. Yet if they thought, an interesting idea, I had a grip on
: the device, stealing it would be a priority. I do have a grip on it.
: The idea of it doesn't fit into their reality, sniffing tourist's
: [censored] to see if the tourists will give them money. Several NASA
: people in the area have wives and daughters who work as prostitutes.
: All prostitutes will courier drugs for the mob or else it's the bus
: stop.
: These people actually suppport serial killers, drug pushers and
child
: rapists as mutual travelers on life's highway.
: The FBI and Federal government support the mob. Worthless. I could
be
: in East Germany, 1960.
: NASCAR announcing, NPR, all Orlando FM and TV- when I listen they
: attack me. For example, a soap opera going on in the wall TV while
I'm
: at the Laundromat gets totally overdubbed with dialogue attacking
me.
: NPR works with mob mind readers who direct attacks on me, Sirius
: satellite radio - jerk named Dave -same deal. All connected to media
: music distribution.
: That's a possible reality when the work is more than a fiberglass
: toilet seat on a van roof.

On Dec 7, 7:53 pm, datakoll <[email hidden]> wrote:
: .0028 parsecs off AVAGADRO, a red dwarf in the BLUE RHINO galaxy,
lies
: a oddular tube worm structure of both zero gravity and below Kelvin.
: At 008973 GMT, THE COMMISSION placed the following structure into
the
: OTW. Generation of Z Waves will begin thricely.
:
:

:
: DVBORKNAG!

On Dec 8, 11:55 pm, datakoll <[email hidden]> wrote:
: the idea creates more drag and more drag and more drag
: without creating energy
: the idea doesn't create energy, it creates drag-friction-heat-energy
: loss.
: the energy must come from somewhere if only creative writing, not
: quotable obfuscations.

On Dec 10, 3:00 pm, datakoll <[email hidden]> wrote:
: WINTER HAS US IN ITS GRIP...
:
: sure, "creates lift," stick it in your Word proceesor and search.
: creates lift: 30 mph down and 75 mph forward
: positive thinking?
:
: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/10/sports/othersports/10flying.html?_r...

On Dec 12, 4:29 am, datakoll <[email hidden]> wrote:
: more drag. it's only windmill's turning. listen. The sailboat's
: windmill will generate auxiliary electricity but a windmill large
: enlough to power the sailboat-nada.
:
: the idea with creative writing in perpetual motion is intriguing
: obfuscation when you get to the daynewmah
:
: "The ship could use it's anchor to power the windmill just the same
: moving up the wind should allow for the same wind to be used....."
: gotta flesh it ut so it's beyond confusing to entertaining: once
: entertained, you're in!
: maybe there's a bibliography in cyberspace?
:
: BTW, my story is a new and apparently somewhat original complete
: explaination of reality. TOOT TOOT

On Dec 12, 5:36 am, datakoll <[email hidden]> wrote:
: sheeeeet. this here's a disssssscussssion group. Who dya wanna speak
: with? Brandt Brown, Armstrong, Muzi, Chalo... Phil Brown?
: Weeez sitting you dude.

On Dec 12, 5:48 pm, datakoll <[email hidden]> wrote:
: Stormgrin?

LOCAL CACTUS EATS CYCLIST

A bicyclist from another county was reported wandering in a
residential area yesterday.
Shortly after the Sheriff received the first report, a fourth report
was received of an attack on the cyclist from local cactus.
The bicyclist was found laying on the road at the end of an exclusive
residential area, semi conscious, bleeding from numerous skin
lacerations.
The bicyclist was laying on and in a road area heavily littered with
goat heads. Sheriff Hawg concluded the bicyclist was attacked by
cactus.
The bicyclist was taken to Fernwall General. The bicyclist is reported
in serious but stable condition after a transfusion of castor oil. The
cyclist lost several toes during the encounter. The cyclist continues
semi-conscious incoherence in what sounds like quotes from late 19th
century Scientific American magazines.
Information from a call to the bicyclist's home revealed the bicyclist
had wandered off earlier in the day and was not expected back.
Residents report strange noises that night from the surrounding area.

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