Walking Alone.....

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On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 18:51:09 +0100, Chris Eilbeck
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I always walk with music :-)

Me too. What do you prefer? It usually ends up with acid jazz of
some form with me but I've been known to listen to Hergest Ridge on
Hergest Ridge before too 😉

Oooh, it can be all sorts of stuff! Pop, 70s, classical, acoustic
guitar, 60s, choral - anything that makes my tummy turn over :-)

Cool! I find I've got to pick something that doesn't match my pace
otherwise everything just goes to pot if the music is close to my
normal rate. No music on the bike though, there's far too many
nutters out there trying to kill me already.

Is the music/no music thing as clear a divide as the phone/no phone
thing? 😉

Chris
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Chris Eilbeck
MARS Flight Crew http://www.mars.org.uk/
UKRA #1108 Level 2 UYB
Tripoli UK Member #9527 LSMR

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On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 17:32:20 +0100, Henry <[email hidden]>

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I always walk with God.

I always walk with music :-)

I walk to get away from that! ;o)
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Regards, Paul (R)
My Lake District walking site:
www.lakelandwalker.co.uk

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On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 15:58:11 +0100, "Stuart" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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I would guess that in most cases the mobile phone to the loan

hillwalker

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will not be of much use after an accident. For instance 1) if you

have just

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bounced all the way down five finger gully on the Ben then the

chances are

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your phones keypad will of become damaged rendering the phone as

useless!

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2)You may slip bang your noggin and forget you have a phone in your

pack! 3)

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and most poignantly of all, the chances of tripping breaking a leg

in a

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place where you can get reception is about nil ....thats the way

sods law

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works

Agreed, but I feel fairly sure that if I was unlucky enough to fall
and break a leg, and lucky enough to do so in one of the few places
where I could get mobile reception, then I'd experience some fairly
significant frustration, whilst lying there in pain and fear, if I'd
not actually packed the phone. I'm fairly sure I wouldn't leave it
behind a second time: after all, it weighs virtually nothing and

takes

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up virtually no space.

The likelihood of the accident happening, the seriousness of the
potential harm and an assessment of the measures necessary to obviate
the risk, or mitigate the consequences, are all factors in the
equation.

My sentiments exactly......

On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 19:43:38 +0100, Chris Eilbeck
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Cool! I find I've got to pick something that doesn't match my pace
otherwise everything just goes to pot if the music is close to my
normal rate.

I find it can help me to whizz up hills, where otherwise I'd be
panting!

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No music on the bike though, there's far too many
nutters out there trying to kill me already.

V. true. I've not used it on the bike yet either.

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Is the music/no music thing as clear a divide as the phone/no phone
thing? 😉

I think the gap is even wider... music, mobiles, walking poles: all
subjects guaranteed to induce indigestion :-)

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On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 15:58:11 +0100, "Stuart" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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I would guess that in most cases the mobile phone to the loan hillwalker
will not be of much use after an accident. For instance 1) if you have

just

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bounced all the way down five finger gully on the Ben then the chances

are

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your phones keypad will of become damaged rendering the phone as useless!
2)You may slip bang your noggin and forget you have a phone in your pack!

3)

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and most poignantly of all, the chances of tripping breaking a leg in a
place where you can get reception is about nil ....thats the way sods law
works

Agreed, but I feel fairly sure that if I was unlucky enough to fall
and break a leg, and lucky enough to do so in one of the few places
where I could get mobile reception, then I'd experience some fairly
significant frustration, whilst lying there in pain and fear, if I'd
not actually packed the phone. I'm fairly sure I wouldn't leave it
behind a second time: after all, it weighs virtually nothing and takes
up virtually no space.

The likelihood of the accident happening, the seriousness of the
potential harm and an assessment of the measures necessary to obviate
the risk, or mitigate the consequences, are all factors in the
equation.

I'm not saying don't take one, by all means take several, what I am saying
is that the chance of one being of use to the solitary walker after that
walker has had an accident is low.

I sometimes carry one in the hills on days that I am skiving off work (have
to remain available on the end of a phone!), and what I sometimes think
about is what would I do injured, lets say 500' of the top of a Munro, would
I drag myself towards the top (potentially further into trouble) but in hope
of some reception, or would I just try and go downwards. Least without the
mobile I wouldn't have that dilemma!

Anyway ms peeWiglet, why do you have a photo of my house on your web site,
will I be receiving some royalties, a bit of remuneration ? :-)

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It would be difficult to call for help for onesself or someone else when
in the back of beyond without a phone - always assumng a signal is
available.

It might prove to be too late then to consider the wisdom of not having
a phone handy.

That is your opinion.

I take it then that you would not be glad of assistance in the case of
your sustaining an accident.
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Bill Grey
http://www.billboy.co.uk

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I always walk with God

Does he carry a mobile phone ?

He doesn't need to. He's omnipresent.

Aah, an open line. That'll be expensive :-)

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Theo
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Henry said:

I always walk with God.

Is she a fast walker?

Katherine

She seems to be omnipresent so she's at your home and in the hills at the
same time. That makes her very fast. I wonder what shoes she's wearing :-)

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Theo
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Henry said:

I always walk with God.

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Is she a fast walker?

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She seems to be omnipresent so she's at your home and in the hills at the
same time. That makes her very fast. I wonder what shoes she's wearing :-)

Nike of course. :-)

--
Phil Cook looking north over the park to the "Westminster Gasworks"

W. D. Grey <[email hidden]> writes

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In article <[email hidden]>, Peter Clinch
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There just isn't any objective spot you can put a line saying where
things become *fundamentally* necessary. So it's silly getting into
the business of trying to do so.

But it is no big deal to carry such a small item such as a mobile
phone. I'm beginning to think it is the name "mobile phone" that is
driving people mad.

I place it in the same category as red socks, or woolly hats, they are
all 'un-cool' to some folk. . ;-)
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Gordon Harris

W. D. Grey <[email hidden]> writes

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In article <[email hidden]>, Bootlaces
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IMO the case for carrying a mobie is for the individual's personal
opinion. No one can or should be condemned for not carrying one.

Obviously it is a matter of personal preference to carry a phone, like
GPS. is a matter of personal choice.

It's much ado about nothing really, I carry my mobile phone whenever I
go out, walking or driving. Twenty years ago I'd have relied on
phone boxes....
--
Gordon Harris

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Roger, Your summit total has jumped from 17 to 28, been anywhere
exciting recently?

Nothing particularly exciting.

Visited friends in S Wales over the weekend. Drove down Friday taking in
the 4 dinky Marilyns near Abergavenny en route.

On Saturday everyone else pleaded old age, infirmity. ill health, (or
all 3) so I went off on my own on a variation of a walk I have done many
times in the past - Fan Hir to Garreg Las and back via Llyn y Fan Fach
and the remainder of the ridge again. 16.5 miles and 4000+ feet of
ascent.

Sunday was more leisurely with a gentle walk (9 miles and 1100 feet of
ascent) over Fan Gyhirych in the mist with a 70 year old friend.

Drove home today (Monday).

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Roger Chapman so far this year 28 summits
New - 15 (Marilyns 4, Sweats 1, Outlying Fells 10)
Repeats - 13 (Marilyns 3, Sweats 7, Wainwrights 6, Outlying Fells 0)

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Why have a cell phone at all? I, for one don't want to be reachable all
the time. My voice mail does fine.

Katherine

I bought mine after my daughter ran into a 38 ton truck when it pulled
across in front of her, and she was able to call the emergency services
without delay.

Later I had a bad crash myself, which left my car wrecked and blocking a
fast road, and had to use my phone to call the police. OK, other
drivers stopped who had phones, but it proved to me the value of always
having one handy. So it goes more or less everywhere with me, common
sense really..

This is one of the most pointless thread drifts we have had for a long
time!
Why the fuss if walkers decide to use all the technology available to
us?
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Gordon Harris

Peter Clinch <[email hidden]> writes

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I'd lose the cherry cake and take the phone.

I'll take the cake, which will actively help me on the hill by
providing useful fuel to help me do what's needed to get off it under
my own power.

I take food, but not cherry cake! ;-) It isn't an either/or
choice between food and a small, light communication device, and why
leave it in the car?
If you get back and the car is missing, how far do you have to walk to a
phone box which works?
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Gordon Harris

Dave Fawthrop <[email hidden]> writes

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On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 23:01:48 +0100, Gordon Harris
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| What are the statistics for missing walkers being found dead?
| Almost all the ones I remember hearing of were alone, or were separated
| from a party.

No one should ever get separated from the group, if the group is properly
organized. Each group should have a leader who leads at the pace of the
slowest member, and stops the group regularly to allow the slowest to catch
up and have a rest. Also a whipper in, who should be the second strongest
walker and able to lead a sub group to safety, (usually my job).

That is how it should be, but the two large groups (a group from work,
and a YHA group) I walked with a couple of times tended to spread out in
a long string, and on my first YHA walk I found myself hanging back to
help a lady who was struggling at the rear. It was quite some time
before an irritated leader came marching back and decided to direct her
to a nearby hotel and wait to be picked up later by car! I was not
impressed.
The other group strung out in a similar way, and we met one couple who
had a sensible pace and walked with them instead of the group for a year
or two...

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Is this
what happens on urw Expeditions?

No! Not always, anyway. ;-)

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If out with a group, I always know where we are going, and where we are. I
also carry all the usual safety equipment. I was once, when I was much
younger, with a group on the top of ?fountains fell? where the leader
turned through 90 degrees from the intended track. From then on I have
never absolutely trusted a leader.

<AOL> Me2 <AOL>
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Gordon Harris

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For emergency use however it shouldn't matter that your telephone might
be locked to one provider, it is usually capable of connecting to the
emergency services via any provider.

For standard calls what annoys me is that my mobile phone gives better
service when abroad, where it lets me roam to any service, than it does
in the UK where it restricts the service. I guess one solution would be
to carry an overseas registered telephone whenever you roam in the UK!

Mike

That's because there just aren't enough mobile phone masts about (yet),
especially in the hills. Just imagine if there was one on every Munro
and Wainright how the coverage would be improved.
--
Gordon Harris
(Sneaking quietly out)

Chris Eilbeck <[email hidden]> writes

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Is the music/no music thing as clear a divide as the phone/no phone
thing? 😉

Probably. I would detour to avoid a walker with headphones on....
--
Gordon Harris

Katherine <[email hidden]> writes

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Henry said:

I always walk with God.

Is she a fast walker?

Katherine

Probably. Most black people are physically superior.
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Gordon Harris

Roger said:

Visited friends in S Wales over the weekend. Drove down Friday taking

in

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the 4 dinky Marilyns near Abergavenny en route.

Excellent, last week on the way back from S Wales I bagged Fan Fawr,
highest hill of the year so far!

Gordon Harris said:

choice between food and a small, light communication device, and why
leave it in the car?

I may or may not have mine with me. More often I'd leave it. Why? In
part because I don't want to carry more stuff I won't be likely to need
than I already am, but also in part because I go into the hills to Get
Away From It All, and if there's a 'phone in the bag then I can't do
that to the same extent as if it's not there.

The "it's daft not to" argument assumes that having a 'phone has no
effect on the person carrying it. It can though, a small physical
effect and a potentially large psychological effect. Pretending this
doesn't or shouldn't affect anyone because it doesn't affect you is,
IMHO, rather imposing one's values rather unnecessarily on someone else,
and that is what I really object to here, rather than a mobile 'phone in
particular.

For many people the mountain experience is rendered a lesser thing by
having a telephone with them, is the bottom line for me. I regard the
freedom to experience the mountain environment as a walker chooses to be
a *vastly* more important thing than a marginal improvement in safety in
an already reasonably safe pastime.

Pete.
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Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
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