Walking Alone.....

On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 13:29:10 +0100, Peter Clinch

Simon said:

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I didn't advocate anything, just moaned against something I definitely
didn't advocate, because I don't view fellwalking as sensibly risky unless
you're the type of cretin who'll do something really stupid then expect
others to bail you out. And that, to me, sums up life in general, not just
walking, which inherently isn't risky if you're not stupid.

PW enquired:

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How about accidents?

Pete responded:

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Well, I won't dispute that they happen, but they don't actually happen
very /much/. Certainly not enough to warrant /always/ having access to
a 'phone or not going on the grounds it's madness.

Of course - I agree with you. I simply wondered whether Simon was
suggesting that every problem on the hills occurs as a result of
negligence. Even careful, well prepared, un-stupid, non-cretins can
have accidents, both on the hills and elsewhere. I certainly agree
that it doesn't happen v. often, though, and fortunately, I've not had
one yet.

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On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 15:58:11 +0100, "Stuart" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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I would guess that in most cases the mobile phone to the loan hillwalker
will not be of much use after an accident. For instance 1) if you have just
bounced all the way down five finger gully on the Ben then the chances are
your phones keypad will of become damaged rendering the phone as useless!
2)You may slip bang your noggin and forget you have a phone in your pack! 3)
and most poignantly of all, the chances of tripping breaking a leg in a
place where you can get reception is about nil ....thats the way sods law
works

Agreed, but I feel fairly sure that if I was unlucky enough to fall
and break a leg, and lucky enough to do so in one of the few places
where I could get mobile reception, then I'd experience some fairly
significant frustration, whilst lying there in pain and fear, if I'd
not actually packed the phone. I'm fairly sure I wouldn't leave it
behind a second time: after all, it weighs virtually nothing and takes
up virtually no space.

The likelihood of the accident happening, the seriousness of the
potential harm and an assessment of the measures necessary to obviate
the risk, or mitigate the consequences, are all factors in the
equation.

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On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 17:32:20 +0100, Henry <[email hidden]>

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I always walk with God.

I always walk with music :-)

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druidh said:

Leonard Trim said:

But at a slight tangent to the main drift of the conversation. Has
anyone regularly checked to see if they can get a signal on their
mobile. Sure you will get one on most summits, but in my experience they
are still bloody useless when you are lower down and in the 'shadow' of
any other mountain. This being particularly true in the NW highlands. No
doubt some phone companies are better than others. Currently I am with
Virgin which seems to be less use than an ashtray on a motorbike.

Vodafone and O2 are the only ones worth having in the Scottish Hills.
Sufficient anecdotal evidence exists to suggest that Vodafone has the
slight edge, though the majority of the infrastructure is actually
shared between the two.

Just across from the Cluanie Inn, on the old road to Tomdoun, there's a
large transmitter/relay post. You'll get a perfect Vodafone signal
nearby but none from O2. The signs on the structure indicate that it
belongs to O2 - go figure.

druidh

For emergency use however it shouldn't matter that your telephone might
be locked to one provider, it is usually capable of connecting to the
emergency services via any provider.

For standard calls what annoys me is that my mobile phone gives better
service when abroad, where it lets me roam to any service, than it does
in the UK where it restricts the service. I guess one solution would be
to carry an overseas registered telephone whenever you roam in the UK!

Mike
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I always walk with God

Does he carry a mobile phone ?

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Henry said:

I always walk with God.

Do you mean "generation of diversity"? It's a basis of the immune system
which is certainly something to have with you, and functioning, when you
go out and about for a walk in a non-sterile environment.

Mike
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druidh <[email hidden]> wrote:

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Vodafone and O2 are the only ones worth having in the Scottish Hills.
Sufficient anecdotal evidence exists to suggest that Vodafone has the
slight edge, though the majority of the infrastructure is actually
shared between the two.

Just across from the Cluanie Inn, on the old road to Tomdoun, there's a
large transmitter/relay post. You'll get a perfect Vodafone signal
nearby but none from O2. The signs on the structure indicate that it
belongs to O2 - go figure.

druidh

Looks like I'll be investigating Vodaphone soon :-))

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Len Trim
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In article <[email hidden]>, Peter Clinch
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I think Phil's was that you can make fishing finitely safer by wearing
a buoyancy aid, and I think he's right. He's not saying all fisherman
should do this, but it seems you are leaning towards that point of
view. So, since you can make your fishing a little safer easily enough
by doing that, do you? And if not, why not?

See my web-site link "Brenig" you'll see I am wearing a lifejacket NOT a
buoyancy aid. In that environment it is wise so to do.

BTW I also had my phone - not much use as a satfety aid as it doesn't
float.
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Bill Grey
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In article <[email hidden]>, Phil Cook
<[email hidden]> writes

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I'm pointing out that a mobile is not available if the user is unable
to use it for whatever reason, lack of signal or being out cold.

Why state the obvious!

It wasn't the unconscious one who phone the ambulance service but did
you really need to have this explained. The fact that a mobile phone
was available and the call made which may have saved his life.
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Bill Grey
http://www.billboy.co.uk

Henry said:

I always walk with God

Nah, the other guy has the best tunes.

Chris
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W. D. Grey said:

Consider a mobile phone as a First Aid accessory and you advocate

taking

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a first Aid kit !
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Maybe not a good time to add a post stating that I always take a mobile
phone, GPS and blackberry!!!!

Hope you all have had a very happy Easter!

On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 17:34:22 +0100, Henry <[email hidden]>

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I always walk with God

Even when He is appearing on Junior Kickstart?

Judith

theo said:

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I always walk with God

Does he carry a mobile phone ?

He doesn't need to. He's omnipresent.

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Phil Cook looking north over the park to the "Westminster Gasworks"

Roger, Your summit total has jumped from 17 to 28, been anywhere
exciting recently?

Peewiglet said:

On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 17:32:20 +0100, Henry <[email hidden]>

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I always walk with God.

I always walk with music :-)

Do both with Mario Lanza >:-)
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Phil Cook looking north over the park to the "Westminster Gasworks"

Peewiglet said:

On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 17:32:20 +0100, Henry <[email hidden]>

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I always walk with God.

I always walk with music :-)

Me too. What do you prefer? It usually ends up with acid jazz of
some form with me but I've been known to listen to Hergest Ridge on
Hergest Ridge before too 😉

Chris
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I noticed that Message-ID: <[email hidden]> from Peter
Clinch contained the following:

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So if anyone doesn't like this, tough.

I think this misses a point. Nobody that I've noticed has said you
should clearly not take a moby with you.

Not really. I'm sure I've read comments from people who think you
shouldn't take one and that if you do it should be switched off. My
point is that it is entirely up to the individual.

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However, those of us being
lectured as to our madness in choosing not to take one have taken issue
with them being a de-facto /necessity/ for *every* walker.

Like I said, it's your choice.

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Henry said:

I always walk with God.

Is she a fast walker?

Katherine

On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 18:51:09 +0100, Chris Eilbeck
<[email hidden]> wrote:

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I always walk with music :-)

Me too. What do you prefer? It usually ends up with acid jazz of
some form with me but I've been known to listen to Hergest Ridge on
Hergest Ridge before too 😉

Oooh, it can be all sorts of stuff! Pop, 70s, classical, acoustic
guitar, 60s, choral - anything that makes my tummy turn over :-)

Best wishes,
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Chris Eilbeck said:

Henry said:

I always walk with God

Nah, the other guy has the best tunes.

Hee hee :-)

Best wishes,
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