web-site on road fatalities

Andy Simpson said:

I was going to post something to the "Why do cars hate us so much" thread"
about how some drivers seem to hate everyone else too. While checking some
numbers, I came across the following web-site:

http://tssu.atsb.gov.au/Query_DB.cfm

which allows you to analyse historical Australian road fatalities.

Andy

Anyone had any success creating reports from here? I just tried and got
an error message from IE and a blank page from Netscape. Not sure if I
really want to know too much about the fatalities, might put me off riding.

Dave B.

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Andy Simpson said:

I was going to post something to the "Why do cars hate us so much"

thread"

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about how some drivers seem to hate everyone else too. While checking

some

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numbers, I came across the following web-site:

http://tssu.atsb.gov.au/Query_DB.cfm

which allows you to analyse historical Australian road fatalities.

Andy

Anyone had any success creating reports from here? I just tried and got
an error message from IE and a blank page from Netscape. Not sure if I
really want to know too much about the fatalities, might put me off

riding.

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Dave B.

works fine for me
stuart

*sigh*

any chance of a mildly flippant website that catalogues personal
anecdotes of cyclists who may of had an enjoyable ride today or plan to
in the near future?

nah, that’s far too silly to comtemplate....🙄

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stu said:

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Andy Simpson said:

I was going to post something to the "Why do cars hate us so much"

thread"

Quoted message said:

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about how some drivers seem to hate everyone else too. While checking

some

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numbers, I came across the following web-site:

http://tssu.atsb.gov.au/Query_DB.cfm

which allows you to analyse historical Australian road fatalities.

Andy

Anyone had any success creating reports from here? I just tried and got
an error message from IE and a blank page from Netscape. Not sure if I
really want to know too much about the fatalities, might put me off

riding.

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Dave B.

works fine for me
stuart

Yep working fine now. Must have been a hiccup at the site.

DaveB.

cfsmtb said:

*sigh*
any chance of a mildly flippant website that catalogues personal
anecdotes of cyclists who may of had an enjoyable ride today or plan to
in the near future?
nah, that’s far too silly to comtemplate....🙄

funny you should mention that. putting together summat at the mo. based
purely on my own stuff experiences. probably something like hippy's but
am trying to see if I can get a decent/solid blog/forum thing on there
too. rides around Melbourne section

reworking the Booroondara BUG site shortly too...

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See http://tinyurl.com/3hmmp -

Adult cycling deaths by year; and, separately, those during commuting
hours, taken as 7:00am-9:00am and 5:00pm-7:00pm, Monday to Friday.

Interesting. The dip around 1991-92 is fairly clear - widely attributed
to the helmet laws introduced in 1991, and best explained by a
reduction in total cycling (reduced exposure), rather than by any
improvement in cyclist head protection.

An ongoing slow downtrend appears to be superimposed - but I have no
data on concurrent changes in exposure. Surely total adult cycling
per annum would have increased somewhat since the low of 91-92? And by
rather a lot in the last couple of years, if my observations are any
guide...

"Commuting hours" deaths average a fairly modest 6.5 per year nationwide,
rather less than I would have guessed. Census data indicates that
about 2% of all commutes are by bicycle - maybe 200,000 individual
cycle commuters; say 400,000 trips per day.

So your chances of dying cycle commuting are rather less than your
chances of winning Lotto ("break even" is at about five ordinary 8-game
entries per year). Maybe advocates would do well to advertise the fact!

The problem I personally have with all these statistics (i.e. death by/due
to cycling) is that they do not count the number of cyclists who have
survived their accidents (regardless of who's fault it was!) but still paid
a high price like those: para/quadriplegics, broken bones, badly bruised,
teeth and eye damage, etc...... I would love to see all of those. This
should also include cycling accidents caused by poor road conditions and
cyclists own mistakes - to be 100% fare. With car crashes more often than
not the driver & passengers walk away with nothing broken/bruised beyond
their vehicles.....

Once you add those mishaps into equation I doubt bicycling statistics are
all that healthy (pardon my pun!).....

I only started cycling in Dec 2003 and every time I jump on my bike and "hit
the road" I say a silent prayer that I return home in one safe and sound
piece!

Safe riding all!

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See http://tinyurl.com/3hmmp -

Adult cycling deaths by year; and, separately, those during commuting
hours, taken as 7:00am-9:00am and 5:00pm-7:00pm, Monday to Friday.

Interesting. The dip around 1991-92 is fairly clear - widely attributed
to the helmet laws introduced in 1991, and best explained by a
reduction in total cycling (reduced exposure), rather than by any
improvement in cyclist head protection.

An ongoing slow downtrend appears to be superimposed - but I have no
data on concurrent changes in exposure. Surely total adult cycling
per annum would have increased somewhat since the low of 91-92? And by
rather a lot in the last couple of years, if my observations are any
guide...

"Commuting hours" deaths average a fairly modest 6.5 per year nationwide,
rather less than I would have guessed. Census data indicates that
about 2% of all commutes are by bicycle - maybe 200,000 individual
cycle commuters; say 400,000 trips per day.

So your chances of dying cycle commuting are rather less than your
chances of winning Lotto ("break even" is at about five ordinary 8-game
entries per year). Maybe advocates would do well to advertise the fact!

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The problem I personally have with all these statistics (i.e. death by/due
to cycling) is that they do not count the number of cyclists who have
survived their accidents (regardless of who's fault it was!) but still

paid

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a high price like those: para/quadriplegics, broken bones, badly bruised,
teeth and eye damage, etc...... I would love to see all of those. This
should also include cycling accidents caused by poor road conditions and
cyclists own mistakes - to be 100% fare. With car crashes more often than
not the driver & passengers walk away with nothing broken/bruised beyond
their vehicles.....

Once you add those mishaps into equation I doubt bicycling statistics are
all that healthy (pardon my pun!).....

The problem you have is that these are statistics for fatalities. If you
want the statistics for serious injuries, you need to look at the statistics
for serious injuries, see, for example:
http://www.atsb.gov.au/road/stats/pdf/serious_injury_2003.pdf

You are quite right - the statistics for cyclists start to look a lot more
ugly at this level.

Yuri Budilov said:

I only started cycling in Dec 2003 and every time I jump on my bike and
"hit the road" I say a silent prayer that I return home in one safe and
sound piece!
Safe riding all!

I have been commuting for 30 years now. The first time was from
Redfern to the Sydney GPO. I lined up a friend to cycle with, but she
piked it at the last moment, so I cycled alone amoungst the roaring
inner city traffic.

My number of accidents, self-inflicted and caused by others I can
count on two hands. No broken bones luckily. A lot more close calls.
This morning I watched the cyclist in front of me almost get 'doored'
by a delivery truck driver openning his door without looking in
Swanston street.

Last Friday of the month I always attend 'mass' and say a prayer for
those cyclists who weren't as fortunate or were victims of road rage.
The more cyclists on the road, the safer it is for all of us!

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Thanks Andy!

exactly what I wanted to see.

well, in 6 months periods from 1999-2002 the number of serious injuries to
cyclists is about 1300 (i.e. 2600 per year) which is about the same as the
number of pedestrians seriously injured and about 40% of the car drivers
injured..... Not too flash, sadly.

In fact it is even *worse* because the report states the serious injury
counted when a person spends at least one night in the hospital. In many
cases a fractured or even broken bone (rib? arm?) requires *no* over-night
stay in the hospital and therefore no hospital admission. For example: my
daughter fell off her bike and fractured/broken her arm in 2000. Not badly.
We went to the hospital emergency and they handled all there, no overnight
stay. She spent 6 weeks in cast. etc.... I am sure this accident was not
counted as a serious injury. But it was bicycle related fall with injury
nevertheless.. In many cases badly bruised cyclists (like me, in Jan 2004!)
simply go to their GP or even recover on their own. When you add all of
these bicycle crashes, the numbers are sure to be much worse again, perhaps
as high as car drivers or even higher......

Don't get me wrong - I love cycling - but I think it is much more dangerous
form of sport/transport then many of us think or try to talk themselves into
thinking.....

IMHO

Ride Safe!

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"Yuri Budilov" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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The problem I personally have with all these statistics (i.e. death

by/due

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to cycling) is that they do not count the number of cyclists who have
survived their accidents (regardless of who's fault it was!) but still

paid

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a high price like those: para/quadriplegics, broken bones, badly

bruised,

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teeth and eye damage, etc...... I would love to see all of those. This
should also include cycling accidents caused by poor road conditions and
cyclists own mistakes - to be 100% fare. With car crashes more often

than

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not the driver & passengers walk away with nothing broken/bruised beyond
their vehicles.....

Once you add those mishaps into equation I doubt bicycling statistics

are

Quoted message said:

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all that healthy (pardon my pun!).....

The problem you have is that these are statistics for fatalities. If you
want the statistics for serious injuries, you need to look at the

statistics

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for serious injuries, see, for example:
http://www.atsb.gov.au/road/stats/pdf/serious_injury_2003.pdf

You are quite right - the statistics for cyclists start to look a lot more
ugly at this level.