Why Can't Mountain Bikers EVER Tell the Truth?



"Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Wed, 10 May 2006 13:56:14 -0400, "S Curtiss" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
>>> On Mon, 8 May 2006 15:17:44 -0400, "S Curtiss" <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Dreamer! Nothing can possible mitigate the danger and discomfort of
>>>>> having to watch out for speeding bikes when you want to experience
>>>>> nature.
>>>>Hike in "no bicycle" and limited recreation areas.
>>>
>>> I do. But mountain bikers go there anyway -- illegally.
>>
>>Then you will have to call the ranger and report it. The lack of
>>enforcement
>>is a seperate issue.
>
> Which is why mountain biking should be banned. It's too expensive to
> enforce.
No more expensive to enfore than a completely "human free habitat". Is it
too expensive to enfore any rule...? Enforcement is easier with consistency
and cooperation. But you don't want that, do you?
>
>>>>Actually, if you read the information, IMBA does indeed want to open
>>>>some
>>>>areas, but also agrees with the "wilderness" designation where suitable
>>>>and
>>>>wants consistency of definition to determine access or lack of it from
>>>>any
>>>>given area.
>>>
>>> ALL wilderness is appropriate, but IMBA doesn't think so. They think
>>> all ridable trails should be open to them.
>>
>>
>>Just as you say all trails should be closed to them. Two extremes clashing
>>while reality exists in the middle.
>
> I have NEVER said that, LIAR. I have said that trails should be closed
> to BIKES. I know, that's over your head, because it contains words of
> more than one syl-la-ble.
Need I remind you of this conversation... again?
February, 2006 "Sudden Oak Death and Wet-Weather Mountain Biking"

MV.> .> I have NEVER recommended "the removal of the cyclists", liar, only
removal of BIKES. DUH! You guys are AMAZINGLY dense!

SC> .Again - because you don't get it. A cyclist, when walking, is a
pedestrian (or hiker). Banning bikes also bans mountain biking because the
activity of offroad cycling is what defines the action as mountain biking.

..>

MV.> Right, but banning bikes doesn't ban mountain bikers. They can WALK.
DUHHHHH!

SC .So explain what defines a "mountain biker" if (A) they can not ride the
bikes in such a manner as to be a "mountain biker" and (B) if bikes are
banned from all trails and everybody must "WALK DUHHHHH!", then what would
be defined as "mountain biking" and (C) what would ultimately define someone
as a "mountain biker" when walking side by side with other "hikers"?

MV There wouldn't be any. That would make most of the world happier.

SC ."There wouldn't be any." Your words, not mine. Proving the point that
banning "bikes" in essence bans "mountain bikers".

MV Nope, you CAN walk, you know.

SC Too late... you have already made it clear. "There wouldn't be any". Your
double-speak and wordplay on this issue is over.
 
Mike Vandeman wrote:
> On Tue, 09 May 2006 04:05:20 GMT, Michael Halliwell
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>Mike Vandeman wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 07 May 2006 18:21:21 GMT, Michael Halliwell
>>><[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Mike Vandeman wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>On Sat, 06 May 2006 05:42:55 GMT, Michael Halliwell
>>>>><[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Edward Dolan wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Michael Halliwell" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>>>>news:wBC6g.125701$7a.77288@pd7tw1no...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Edward Dolan wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Nope, all you have to do is get off your g.d. bike and go walking and you
>>>>>>>>>can enjoy nature just like Vandeman and I do. One thing is for sure, you
>>>>>>>>>do not even know what nature is while you are on your g.d. bike.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Ummm, Ed?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Vandeman's stated purpose in other threads is to get *ALL* forms of
>>>>>>>>recreation out of the woods....hiking included. He's after you and your
>>>>>>>>camping and hiking as much as he's after mountain bikers....he's just the
>>>>>>>>most vocal with those of us who ride off of the pavement.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Michael Halliwell
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Well, that is hard to believe! Walking a footpath is the least infringement
>>>>>>>that you can have on nature. There would be no Wilderness Areas and National
>>>>>>>Parks at all if that were disallowed. Yes, I am a bit of an elitist, but I
>>>>>>>am not crazy!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Regards,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
>>>>>>>aka
>>>>>>>Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Do a google search for Mike Vandeman's past posts or note his
>>>>>>signature...he wants "pure habitat" (meaning no people at all) and has
>>>>>>stated such.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Michael Halliwell
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Michael Halliwell, being the liar that he is, omits the fact that I
>>>>>have never advocated that ALL areas be off-limits to humans -- only
>>>>>SOME.
>>>>
>>>>Re-read my post for context....I didn't say you wanted all areas off
>>>>limits to humans, but rather that you are after getting all forms of
>>>>recreation out of the woods (meaning the creation of "pure habitat")
>>>
>>>
>>>And that's a LIE. I have NEVER advocated that. Once you start lying,
>>>you can't get off the train, & keep getting in deeper & deeper. Come
>>>clean.
>>
>>Then how, dear Dr. Vandeman do you propose to "create pure habitat" as
>>your signature so boldly states...
>
>
> Simple: by humans deciding not to go there, just as I and many others
> have done on our own property.
>
> If it is presently pure habitat,
>
>>then you are not creating it but merely preserving it...if you intend to
>>create it, then all human activities in that area, including recreation,
>>must cease.
>
>
> Of course. What's your point?
>
>
>>Michael Halliwell
>
> ===
> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>
> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

The point is, Mike, that you have agreed with my statement...if you are
creating "pure habitat" then you are trying to get all forms of
recreation out of the "habitat" area... or don't you remember calling me
a liar for telling Ed you were out to remove all forms of recreation
(inluding hiking) from the woods to make "pure habitat?"

Sheesh, call me a liar and then agree with what I said....are you sure
you don't need to go to confession, Mike?

Michael Halliwell
 
In article <MCU8g.152722$7a.95471@pd7tw1no>, [email protected]
says...

> The point is, Mike, that you have agreed with my statement...if you are
> creating "pure habitat" then you are trying to get all forms of
> recreation out of the "habitat" area... or don't you remember calling me
> a liar for telling Ed you were out to remove all forms of recreation
> (inluding hiking) from the woods to make "pure habitat?"

Your error is in thinking that Mr. Vandespam has some grand scheme
for creating "pure habitat" in the *wildnerness*.

Note he said he did it on his own property -- he's a city dweller
with a patch of un-mowed lawn that he fancies as "pure habitat."

He's not lying in this particular case, he's just an inconsistent
hypocrite with delusions of grandeur.

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"S Curtiss" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:FWL8g.9622$B42.8982@dukeread05:

>
> "Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> On Wed, 10 May 2006 13:56:14 -0400, "S Curtiss" <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>news:[email protected]...
>>>> On Mon, 8 May 2006 15:17:44 -0400, "S Curtiss" <[email protected]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dreamer! Nothing can possible mitigate the danger and discomfort
>>>>>> of having to watch out for speeding bikes when you want to
>>>>>> experience nature.
>>>>>Hike in "no bicycle" and limited recreation areas.
>>>>
>>>> I do. But mountain bikers go there anyway -- illegally.
>>>
>>>Then you will have to call the ranger and report it. The lack of
>>>enforcement
>>>is a seperate issue.
>>
>> Which is why mountain biking should be banned. It's too expensive to
>> enforce.
> No more expensive to enfore than a completely "human free habitat". Is
> it too expensive to enfore any rule...? Enforcement is easier with
> consistency and cooperation. But you don't want that, do you?
>>
>>>>>Actually, if you read the information, IMBA does indeed want to
>>>>>open some
>>>>>areas, but also agrees with the "wilderness" designation where
>>>>>suitable and
>>>>>wants consistency of definition to determine access or lack of it
>>>>>from any
>>>>>given area.
>>>>
>>>> ALL wilderness is appropriate, but IMBA doesn't think so. They
>>>> think all ridable trails should be open to them.
>>>
>>>
>>>Just as you say all trails should be closed to them. Two extremes
>>>clashing while reality exists in the middle.
>>
>> I have NEVER said that, LIAR. I have said that trails should be
>> closed to BIKES. I know, that's over your head, because it contains
>> words of more than one syl-la-ble.
> Need I remind you of this conversation... again?
> February, 2006 "Sudden Oak Death and Wet-Weather Mountain Biking"
>
> MV.> .> I have NEVER recommended "the removal of the cyclists", liar,
> only removal of BIKES. DUH! You guys are AMAZINGLY dense!
>
> SC> .Again - because you don't get it. A cyclist, when walking, is a
> pedestrian (or hiker). Banning bikes also bans mountain biking because
> the activity of offroad cycling is what defines the action as mountain
> biking.
>
> .>
>
> MV.> Right, but banning bikes doesn't ban mountain bikers. They can
> WALK. DUHHHHH!
>
> SC .So explain what defines a "mountain biker" if (A) they can not
> ride the bikes in such a manner as to be a "mountain biker" and (B) if
> bikes are banned from all trails and everybody must "WALK DUHHHHH!",
> then what would be defined as "mountain biking" and (C) what would
> ultimately define someone as a "mountain biker" when walking side by
> side with other "hikers"?
>
> MV There wouldn't be any. That would make most of the world happier.
>
> SC ."There wouldn't be any." Your words, not mine. Proving the point
> that banning "bikes" in essence bans "mountain bikers".
>
> MV Nope, you CAN walk, you know.
>
> SC Too late... you have already made it clear. "There wouldn't be
> any". Your double-speak and wordplay on this issue is over.
>
>
>
>






Face it Mike, not only is he smarter than you, he argues MUCH better.

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Joshua Putnam <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> In article <MCU8g.152722$7a.95471@pd7tw1no>, [email protected]
> says...
>
>> The point is, Mike, that you have agreed with my statement...if you
>> are creating "pure habitat" then you are trying to get all forms of
>> recreation out of the "habitat" area... or don't you remember calling
>> me a liar for telling Ed you were out to remove all forms of
>> recreation (inluding hiking) from the woods to make "pure habitat?"
>
> Your error is in thinking that Mr. Vandespam has some grand scheme
> for creating "pure habitat" in the *wildnerness*.
>
> Note he said he did it on his own property -- he's a city dweller
> with a patch of un-mowed lawn that he fancies as "pure habitat."
>
> He's not lying in this particular case, he's just an inconsistent
> hypocrite with delusions of grandeur.
>

Hey Mike,
I have over a section of land (640 acres) of "pure habitat" in the
"Wet Mountains" on Colorado. You should see it; it is absolutely beautiful,
and unspoiled. The land contains two large streams running thru it, 2 to 5
springs (depending on the time of the year). One of the streams has carved
a beautiful canyon almost a mile long.
The wildlife is hardy and robust. Elk, mule deer, turkey, mountain
loin and every other type critter you can imagine.
I am NOT a mountain biker. I did own one a couple of years back,
but I sold it and bought a Burley trailer for my 'bicycle touring'.
I am a 'roadie' and I ride the road. I ride from my house to work
almost everyday (Wont ride if snow is on the ground), that is a round trip
ride of 30 miles a day.
I am a back packer also, mostly I pack in Rocky Mountain National
Park, where off-road cycling in not allowed.

I am telling you all this to give you a sense of who, and what I
am.

I also think you are SO full of ****.


Chris Foster

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On 09 Jun 2006 16:50:49 GMT, Chris Foster
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Joshua Putnam <[email protected]> wrote in
>news:[email protected]:
>
>> In article <MCU8g.152722$7a.95471@pd7tw1no>, [email protected]
>> says...
>>
>>> The point is, Mike, that you have agreed with my statement...if you
>>> are creating "pure habitat" then you are trying to get all forms of
>>> recreation out of the "habitat" area... or don't you remember calling
>>> me a liar for telling Ed you were out to remove all forms of
>>> recreation (inluding hiking) from the woods to make "pure habitat?"
>>
>> Your error is in thinking that Mr. Vandespam has some grand scheme
>> for creating "pure habitat" in the *wildnerness*.
>>
>> Note he said he did it on his own property -- he's a city dweller
>> with a patch of un-mowed lawn that he fancies as "pure habitat."
>>
>> He's not lying in this particular case, he's just an inconsistent
>> hypocrite with delusions of grandeur.
>>
>
>Hey Mike,
> I have over a section of land (640 acres) of "pure habitat" in the
>"Wet Mountains" on Colorado. You should see it; it is absolutely beautiful,
>and unspoiled. The land contains two large streams running thru it, 2 to 5
>springs (depending on the time of the year). One of the streams has carved
>a beautiful canyon almost a mile long.
> The wildlife is hardy and robust. Elk, mule deer, turkey, mountain
>loin and every other type critter you can imagine.
> I am NOT a mountain biker. I did own one a couple of years back,

Proving that you lack brain cells.

>but I sold it and bought a Burley trailer for my 'bicycle touring'.
> I am a 'roadie' and I ride the road. I ride from my house to work
>almost everyday (Wont ride if snow is on the ground), that is a round trip
>ride of 30 miles a day.
> I am a back packer also, mostly I pack in Rocky Mountain National
>Park, where off-road cycling in not allowed.
>
> I am telling you all this to give you a sense of who, and what I
>am.
>
> I also think you are SO full of ****.
>
>
> Chris Foster

Since you can't be specific, it's obvious that you don't know what you
are talking about.
===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
 
Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> On 09 Jun 2006 16:50:49 GMT, Chris Foster
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Joshua Putnam <[email protected]> wrote in
>>news:[email protected]:
>>
>>> In article <MCU8g.152722$7a.95471@pd7tw1no>, [email protected]
>>> says...
>>>
>>>> The point is, Mike, that you have agreed with my statement...if you
>>>> are creating "pure habitat" then you are trying to get all forms of
>>>> recreation out of the "habitat" area... or don't you remember
>>>> calling me a liar for telling Ed you were out to remove all forms
>>>> of recreation (inluding hiking) from the woods to make "pure
>>>> habitat?"
>>>
>>> Your error is in thinking that Mr. Vandespam has some grand scheme
>>> for creating "pure habitat" in the *wildnerness*.
>>>
>>> Note he said he did it on his own property -- he's a city dweller
>>> with a patch of un-mowed lawn that he fancies as "pure habitat."
>>>
>>> He's not lying in this particular case, he's just an inconsistent
>>> hypocrite with delusions of grandeur.
>>>
>>
>>Hey Mike,
>> I have over a section of land (640 acres) of "pure habitat" in
>> the
>>"Wet Mountains" on Colorado. You should see it; it is absolutely
>>beautiful, and unspoiled. The land contains two large streams running
>>thru it, 2 to 5 springs (depending on the time of the year). One of
>>the streams has carved a beautiful canyon almost a mile long.
>> The wildlife is hardy and robust. Elk, mule deer, turkey,
>> mountain
>>loin and every other type critter you can imagine.
>> I am NOT a mountain biker. I did own one a couple of years
>> back,
>
> Proving that you lack brain cells.


I am an ASIC designer, I will spell it out for you; Application Specific
Integrated Circuit. One of the jobs I used to have was with a company
that contracted to Cisco, to design their custom chips. There is a very
high probability that the message you sent to insult me, actually
traveled thru one of the chips I designed.

Brains I got.

Compassion for a closed minded fool like your self, I do not have.


>
>>but I sold it and bought a Burley trailer for my 'bicycle touring'.
>> I am a 'roadie' and I ride the road. I ride from my house to
>> work
>>almost everyday (Wont ride if snow is on the ground), that is a round
>>trip ride of 30 miles a day.
>> I am a back packer also, mostly I pack in Rocky Mountain
>> National
>>Park, where off-road cycling in not allowed.
>>
>> I am telling you all this to give you a sense of who, and what
>> I
>>am.
>>
>> I also think you are SO full of ****.
>>
>>
>> Chris Foster
>
> Since you can't be specific, it's obvious that you don't know what you
> are talking about.

How have you been fighting auto dependence and road construction?


I ride my bicycle everywhere. What do you do ??


> ===
> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>
> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
>


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On 12 Jun 2006 15:23:23 GMT, Chris Foster
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote in
>news:[email protected]:
>
>> On 09 Jun 2006 16:50:49 GMT, Chris Foster
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>Joshua Putnam <[email protected]> wrote in
>>>news:[email protected]:
>>>
>>>> In article <MCU8g.152722$7a.95471@pd7tw1no>, [email protected]
>>>> says...
>>>>
>>>>> The point is, Mike, that you have agreed with my statement...if you
>>>>> are creating "pure habitat" then you are trying to get all forms of
>>>>> recreation out of the "habitat" area... or don't you remember
>>>>> calling me a liar for telling Ed you were out to remove all forms
>>>>> of recreation (inluding hiking) from the woods to make "pure
>>>>> habitat?"
>>>>
>>>> Your error is in thinking that Mr. Vandespam has some grand scheme
>>>> for creating "pure habitat" in the *wildnerness*.
>>>>
>>>> Note he said he did it on his own property -- he's a city dweller
>>>> with a patch of un-mowed lawn that he fancies as "pure habitat."
>>>>
>>>> He's not lying in this particular case, he's just an inconsistent
>>>> hypocrite with delusions of grandeur.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Hey Mike,
>>> I have over a section of land (640 acres) of "pure habitat" in
>>> the
>>>"Wet Mountains" on Colorado. You should see it; it is absolutely
>>>beautiful, and unspoiled. The land contains two large streams running
>>>thru it, 2 to 5 springs (depending on the time of the year). One of
>>>the streams has carved a beautiful canyon almost a mile long.
>>> The wildlife is hardy and robust. Elk, mule deer, turkey,
>>> mountain
>>>loin and every other type critter you can imagine.
>>> I am NOT a mountain biker. I did own one a couple of years
>>> back,
>>
>> Proving that you lack brain cells.
>
>
>I am an ASIC designer, I will spell it out for you; Application Specific
>Integrated Circuit. One of the jobs I used to have was with a company
>that contracted to Cisco, to design their custom chips. There is a very
>high probability that the message you sent to insult me, actually
>traveled thru one of the chips I designed.
>
>Brains I got.

Then there's ponly one other possibility: you don't use them in
situations where your lifestyle is at stake. Kind of like George Bush
claiming to be a Christian, but acting NOTHING like the original
Christ.... After all, it doesn't take a rocket scientist, or even an
ASIC designer, to know that a bike is not going to help wildlife and
people in natural areas. It could hardly be plainer. And yet you CHOSE
to buy a mountain bike! Please explain your brain fade....

>Compassion for a closed minded fool like your self, I do not have.
>
>
>>
>>>but I sold it and bought a Burley trailer for my 'bicycle touring'.
>>> I am a 'roadie' and I ride the road. I ride from my house to
>>> work
>>>almost everyday (Wont ride if snow is on the ground), that is a round
>>>trip ride of 30 miles a day.
>>> I am a back packer also, mostly I pack in Rocky Mountain
>>> National
>>>Park, where off-road cycling in not allowed.
>>>
>>> I am telling you all this to give you a sense of who, and what
>>> I
>>>am.
>>>
>>> I also think you are SO full of ****.
>>>
>>>
>>> Chris Foster
>>
>> Since you can't be specific, it's obvious that you don't know what you
>> are talking about.
>
>How have you been fighting auto dependence and road construction?
>
>
>I ride my bicycle everywhere. What do you do ??
>
>
>> ===
>> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
>> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
>> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>>
>> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
>>
===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
 
On 12 Jun 2006 15:23:23 GMT, Chris Foster
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote in
>news:[email protected]:
>
>> On 09 Jun 2006 16:50:49 GMT, Chris Foster
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>Joshua Putnam <[email protected]> wrote in
>>>news:[email protected]:
>>>
>>>> In article <MCU8g.152722$7a.95471@pd7tw1no>, [email protected]
>>>> says...
>>>>
>>>>> The point is, Mike, that you have agreed with my statement...if you
>>>>> are creating "pure habitat" then you are trying to get all forms of
>>>>> recreation out of the "habitat" area... or don't you remember
>>>>> calling me a liar for telling Ed you were out to remove all forms
>>>>> of recreation (inluding hiking) from the woods to make "pure
>>>>> habitat?"
>>>>
>>>> Your error is in thinking that Mr. Vandespam has some grand scheme
>>>> for creating "pure habitat" in the *wildnerness*.
>>>>
>>>> Note he said he did it on his own property -- he's a city dweller
>>>> with a patch of un-mowed lawn that he fancies as "pure habitat."
>>>>
>>>> He's not lying in this particular case, he's just an inconsistent
>>>> hypocrite with delusions of grandeur.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Hey Mike,
>>> I have over a section of land (640 acres) of "pure habitat" in
>>> the
>>>"Wet Mountains" on Colorado. You should see it; it is absolutely
>>>beautiful, and unspoiled. The land contains two large streams running
>>>thru it, 2 to 5 springs (depending on the time of the year). One of
>>>the streams has carved a beautiful canyon almost a mile long.
>>> The wildlife is hardy and robust. Elk, mule deer, turkey,
>>> mountain
>>>loin and every other type critter you can imagine.
>>> I am NOT a mountain biker. I did own one a couple of years
>>> back,
>>
>> Proving that you lack brain cells.
>
>
>I am an ASIC designer, I will spell it out for you; Application Specific
>Integrated Circuit. One of the jobs I used to have was with a company
>that contracted to Cisco, to design their custom chips. There is a very
>high probability that the message you sent to insult me, actually
>traveled thru one of the chips I designed.
>
>Brains I got.
>
>Compassion for a closed minded fool like your self, I do not have.
>
>
>>
>>>but I sold it and bought a Burley trailer for my 'bicycle touring'.
>>> I am a 'roadie' and I ride the road. I ride from my house to
>>> work
>>>almost everyday (Wont ride if snow is on the ground), that is a round
>>>trip ride of 30 miles a day.
>>> I am a back packer also, mostly I pack in Rocky Mountain
>>> National
>>>Park, where off-road cycling in not allowed.
>>>
>>> I am telling you all this to give you a sense of who, and what
>>> I
>>>am.
>>>
>>> I also think you are SO full of ****.
>>>
>>>
>>> Chris Foster
>>
>> Since you can't be specific, it's obvious that you don't know what you
>> are talking about.
>
>How have you been fighting auto dependence and road construction?

See my web site. It's all there.

>I ride my bicycle everywhere. What do you do ??

So do I, except when I walk or take public transit.
===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
 
>>>>Hey Mike,
>>>> I have over a section of land (640 acres) of "pure habitat"
in
>>>> the
>>>>"Wet Mountains" on Colorado. You should see it; it is absolutely
>>>>beautiful, and unspoiled. The land contains two large streams
running
>>>>thru it, 2 to 5 springs (depending on the time of the year). One of
>>>>the streams has carved a beautiful canyon almost a mile long.
>>>> The wildlife is hardy and robust. Elk, mule deer, turkey,
>>>> mountain
>>>>loin and every other type critter you can imagine.
>>>> I am NOT a mountain biker. I did own one a couple of years
>>>> back,
>>>
>>> Proving that you lack brain cells.
>>
>>
>>I am an ASIC designer, I will spell it out for you; Application
Specific
>>Integrated Circuit. One of the jobs I used to have was with a company
>>that contracted to Cisco, to design their custom chips. There is a
very
>>high probability that the message you sent to insult me, actually
>>traveled thru one of the chips I designed.
>>
>>Brains I got.
>
> Then there's ponly one other possibility: you don't use them in

WTF is a 'ponly' ???

> situations where your lifestyle is at stake. Kind of like George Bush
> claiming to be a Christian, but acting NOTHING like the original
> Christ.... After all, it doesn't take a rocket scientist, or even an
> ASIC designer, to know that a bike is not going to help wildlife and
> people in natural areas. It could hardly be plainer. And yet you CHOSE
> to buy a mountain bike! Please explain your brain fade....
>
>>Compassion for a closed minded fool like your self, I do not have.


Mike,
I bought the mountain bike, because we have DESIGNATED mountain bike
trails here in Colorado. I enjoyed it immensely. I got a good physical
workout and I got outside and enjoyed nature. I moved away from that
part of Colorado back up here to Boulder. I sold the bike because I no
longer road it.


>>
>>
>>>
>>>>but I sold it and bought a Burley trailer for my 'bicycle touring'.
>>>> I am a 'roadie' and I ride the road. I ride from my house to
>>>> work
>>>>almost everyday (Wont ride if snow is on the ground), that is a round
>>>>trip ride of 30 miles a day.
>>>> I am a back packer also, mostly I pack in Rocky Mountain
>>>> National
>>>>Park, where off-road cycling in not allowed.
>>>>
>>>> I am telling you all this to give you a sense of who, and
what
>>>> I
>>>>am.
>>>>
>>>> I also think you are SO full of ****.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Chris Foster
>>>
>>> Since you can't be specific, it's obvious that you don't know what
you
>>> are talking about.
>>
>>How have you been fighting auto dependence and road construction?
>>
>>
>>I ride my bicycle everywhere. What do you do ??
>>
>>
>>> ===
>>> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
>>> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
>>> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>>>
>>> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
>>>
> ===
> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>
> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande


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Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> On 13 Jun 2006 13:46:22 GMT, Chris Foster
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>>>>>Hey Mike,
>>>>>> I have over a section of land (640 acres) of "pure
>>>>>> habitat"
>>in
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>"Wet Mountains" on Colorado. You should see it; it is absolutely
>>>>>>beautiful, and unspoiled. The land contains two large streams
>>running
>>>>>>thru it, 2 to 5 springs (depending on the time of the year). One
>>>>>>of the streams has carved a beautiful canyon almost a mile long.
>>>>>> The wildlife is hardy and robust. Elk, mule deer, turkey,
>>>>>> mountain
>>>>>>loin and every other type critter you can imagine.
>>>>>> I am NOT a mountain biker. I did own one a couple of
>>>>>> years back,
>>>>>
>>>>> Proving that you lack brain cells.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I am an ASIC designer, I will spell it out for you; Application
>>Specific
>>>>Integrated Circuit. One of the jobs I used to have was with a
>>>>company that contracted to Cisco, to design their custom chips.
>>>>There is a
>>very
>>>>high probability that the message you sent to insult me, actually
>>>>traveled thru one of the chips I designed.
>>>>
>>>>Brains I got.
>>>
>>> Then there's ponly one other possibility: you don't use them in
>>
>>WTF is a 'ponly' ???
>>
>>> situations where your lifestyle is at stake. Kind of like George
>>> Bush claiming to be a Christian, but acting NOTHING like the
>>> original Christ.... After all, it doesn't take a rocket scientist,
>>> or even an ASIC designer, to know that a bike is not going to help
>>> wildlife and people in natural areas. It could hardly be plainer.
>>> And yet you CHOSE to buy a mountain bike! Please explain your brain
>>> fade....
>>>
>>>>Compassion for a closed minded fool like your self, I do not have.
>>
>>
>>Mike,
>> I bought the mountain bike, because we have DESIGNATED mountain
>> bike
>>trails here in Colorado.
>
> There are also areas DESIGNATED for ATVs & for exploding nuclear
> bombs, but only a FOOL would actually USE them. You can't blame the
> state of Colorado for your abuse of nature.
>
> I enjoyed it immensely. I got a good physical
>>workout and I got outside and enjoyed nature.
>
> You could have done the same thing by HIKING, and done a lot less
> harm. Are you really too dumb to think of that?



It has been show over and over that HIKING and MOUNTAIN BIKING have the
same impact on the environment, are just too stupid to understand it or
just too lazy to get off your fat ass to go look for your self?


Do keep in mind that I SOLD the bike and no longer ride it


I am a cycling advocate here in Colorado. I go to town meetings and
request additional bike paths to be built along our existing roads so
that cyclist can get to where they are going safely.

I am part of the "Walk and Bike to Work" week that is coming up June 24
thru 30. I helped organize the event, pass out filers, get radio and
TV stations to promote the event. I will be dishing out breakfast for
all the walkers/riders.



I ask you one more time, "What are you doing, besides running your
mouth, to actually fight auto dependence and road construction".

I went to your website and saw a few papers written back in the 1990's.
So What! What are you doing now? Besides not paying your taxes? Which
also happened in the 1990's. Hope you got that lien cleared up.


You are still full of ****. You have accomplish nothing. Badgering the
cyclist in this NG has resulted in NOTHING. You have WASTED YOUR TIME.





>
> I moved away from that
>>part of Colorado back up here to Boulder. I sold the bike because I
>>no longer road it.
>>
>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>but I sold it and bought a Burley trailer for my 'bicycle
>>>>>>touring'.
>>>>>> I am a 'roadie' and I ride the road. I ride from my house
>>>>>> to work
>>>>>>almost everyday (Wont ride if snow is on the ground), that is a
>>>>>>round trip ride of 30 miles a day.
>>>>>> I am a back packer also, mostly I pack in Rocky Mountain
>>>>>> National
>>>>>>Park, where off-road cycling in not allowed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am telling you all this to give you a sense of who, and
>>what
>>>>>> I
>>>>>>am.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I also think you are SO full of ****.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Chris Foster
>>>>>
>>>>> Since you can't be specific, it's obvious that you don't know what
>>you
>>>>> are talking about.
>>>>
>>>>How have you been fighting auto dependence and road construction?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I ride my bicycle everywhere. What do you do ??
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> ===
>>>>> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
>>>>> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
>>>>> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>>>>>
>>>>> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
>>>>>
>>> ===
>>> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
>>> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
>>> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>>>
>>> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
> ===
> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>
> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
>


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Chris Foster wrote:

>>> Brains I got.
>>
>> Then there's ponly one other possibility: you don't use them in
>
> WTF is a 'ponly' ???

With that question you sort of make his point.
 
On 13 Jun 2006 13:46:22 GMT, Chris Foster
<[email protected]> wrote:

>>>>>Hey Mike,
>>>>> I have over a section of land (640 acres) of "pure habitat"
>in
>>>>> the
>>>>>"Wet Mountains" on Colorado. You should see it; it is absolutely
>>>>>beautiful, and unspoiled. The land contains two large streams
>running
>>>>>thru it, 2 to 5 springs (depending on the time of the year). One of
>>>>>the streams has carved a beautiful canyon almost a mile long.
>>>>> The wildlife is hardy and robust. Elk, mule deer, turkey,
>>>>> mountain
>>>>>loin and every other type critter you can imagine.
>>>>> I am NOT a mountain biker. I did own one a couple of years
>>>>> back,
>>>>
>>>> Proving that you lack brain cells.
>>>
>>>
>>>I am an ASIC designer, I will spell it out for you; Application
>Specific
>>>Integrated Circuit. One of the jobs I used to have was with a company
>>>that contracted to Cisco, to design their custom chips. There is a
>very
>>>high probability that the message you sent to insult me, actually
>>>traveled thru one of the chips I designed.
>>>
>>>Brains I got.
>>
>> Then there's ponly one other possibility: you don't use them in
>
>WTF is a 'ponly' ???
>
>> situations where your lifestyle is at stake. Kind of like George Bush
>> claiming to be a Christian, but acting NOTHING like the original
>> Christ.... After all, it doesn't take a rocket scientist, or even an
>> ASIC designer, to know that a bike is not going to help wildlife and
>> people in natural areas. It could hardly be plainer. And yet you CHOSE
>> to buy a mountain bike! Please explain your brain fade....
>>
>>>Compassion for a closed minded fool like your self, I do not have.
>
>
>Mike,
> I bought the mountain bike, because we have DESIGNATED mountain bike
>trails here in Colorado.

There are also areas DESIGNATED for ATVs & for exploding nuclear
bombs, but only a FOOL would actually USE them. You can't blame the
state of Colorado for your abuse of nature.

I enjoyed it immensely. I got a good physical
>workout and I got outside and enjoyed nature.

You could have done the same thing by HIKING, and done a lot less
harm. Are you really too dumb to think of that?

I moved away from that
>part of Colorado back up here to Boulder. I sold the bike because I no
>longer road it.
>
>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>but I sold it and bought a Burley trailer for my 'bicycle touring'.
>>>>> I am a 'roadie' and I ride the road. I ride from my house to
>>>>> work
>>>>>almost everyday (Wont ride if snow is on the ground), that is a round
>>>>>trip ride of 30 miles a day.
>>>>> I am a back packer also, mostly I pack in Rocky Mountain
>>>>> National
>>>>>Park, where off-road cycling in not allowed.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am telling you all this to give you a sense of who, and
>what
>>>>> I
>>>>>am.
>>>>>
>>>>> I also think you are SO full of ****.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Chris Foster
>>>>
>>>> Since you can't be specific, it's obvious that you don't know what
>you
>>>> are talking about.
>>>
>>>How have you been fighting auto dependence and road construction?
>>>
>>>
>>>I ride my bicycle everywhere. What do you do ??
>>>
>>>
>>>> ===
>>>> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
>>>> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
>>>> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>>>>
>>>> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
>>>>
>> ===
>> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
>> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
>> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>>
>> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
 
On 13 Jun 2006 15:50:15 GMT, Chris Foster
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote in
>news:[email protected]:
>
>> On 13 Jun 2006 13:46:22 GMT, Chris Foster
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>Hey Mike,
>>>>>>> I have over a section of land (640 acres) of "pure
>>>>>>> habitat"
>>>in
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>"Wet Mountains" on Colorado. You should see it; it is absolutely
>>>>>>>beautiful, and unspoiled. The land contains two large streams
>>>running
>>>>>>>thru it, 2 to 5 springs (depending on the time of the year). One
>>>>>>>of the streams has carved a beautiful canyon almost a mile long.
>>>>>>> The wildlife is hardy and robust. Elk, mule deer, turkey,
>>>>>>> mountain
>>>>>>>loin and every other type critter you can imagine.
>>>>>>> I am NOT a mountain biker. I did own one a couple of
>>>>>>> years back,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Proving that you lack brain cells.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>I am an ASIC designer, I will spell it out for you; Application
>>>Specific
>>>>>Integrated Circuit. One of the jobs I used to have was with a
>>>>>company that contracted to Cisco, to design their custom chips.
>>>>>There is a
>>>very
>>>>>high probability that the message you sent to insult me, actually
>>>>>traveled thru one of the chips I designed.
>>>>>
>>>>>Brains I got.
>>>>
>>>> Then there's ponly one other possibility: you don't use them in
>>>
>>>WTF is a 'ponly' ???
>>>
>>>> situations where your lifestyle is at stake. Kind of like George
>>>> Bush claiming to be a Christian, but acting NOTHING like the
>>>> original Christ.... After all, it doesn't take a rocket scientist,
>>>> or even an ASIC designer, to know that a bike is not going to help
>>>> wildlife and people in natural areas. It could hardly be plainer.
>>>> And yet you CHOSE to buy a mountain bike! Please explain your brain
>>>> fade....
>>>>
>>>>>Compassion for a closed minded fool like your self, I do not have.
>>>
>>>
>>>Mike,
>>> I bought the mountain bike, because we have DESIGNATED mountain
>>> bike
>>>trails here in Colorado.
>>
>> There are also areas DESIGNATED for ATVs & for exploding nuclear
>> bombs, but only a FOOL would actually USE them. You can't blame the
>> state of Colorado for your abuse of nature.
>>
>> I enjoyed it immensely. I got a good physical
>>>workout and I got outside and enjoyed nature.
>>
>> You could have done the same thing by HIKING, and done a lot less
>> harm. Are you really too dumb to think of that?
>
>
>
>It has been show over and over that HIKING and MOUNTAIN BIKING have the
>same impact on the environment, are just too stupid to understand it or
>just too lazy to get off your fat ass to go look for your self?

I did, but you didn't. If you read those junk science "studies", you
will find that they all misinterpreted their own data in order to get
the conclusions they wanted. See http:/home.pacbell.net/mjvande/scb7.

>Do keep in mind that I SOLD the bike and no longer ride it

But you were stupid enough to buy it in the first place.

>I am a cycling advocate here in Colorado. I go to town meetings and
>request additional bike paths to be built along our existing roads so
>that cyclist can get to where they are going safely.

That destroys habitat. You would do better to get rid of the cars.

>I am part of the "Walk and Bike to Work" week that is coming up June 24
>thru 30. I helped organize the event, pass out filers, get radio and
>TV stations to promote the event. I will be dishing out breakfast for
>all the walkers/riders.

Good. But it won't accomplish much. You need to reduce parking- & road
space devoted to cars.

>I ask you one more time, "What are you doing, besides running your
>mouth, to actually fight auto dependence and road construction".

See my web site.

>I went to your website and saw a few papers written back in the 1990's.

"A few"? A wee bit dishonest, aren't you?

>So What! What are you doing now? Besides not paying your taxes? Which
>also happened in the 1990's. Hope you got that lien cleared up.

Working on protecting wildlife from mountain bikers like you.

>You are still full of ****. You have accomplish nothing. Badgering the
>cyclist in this NG has resulted in NOTHING. You have WASTED YOUR TIME.

Don't you wish.

>> I moved away from that
>>>part of Colorado back up here to Boulder. I sold the bike because I
>>>no longer road it.
>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>but I sold it and bought a Burley trailer for my 'bicycle
>>>>>>>touring'.
>>>>>>> I am a 'roadie' and I ride the road. I ride from my house
>>>>>>> to work
>>>>>>>almost everyday (Wont ride if snow is on the ground), that is a
>>>>>>>round trip ride of 30 miles a day.
>>>>>>> I am a back packer also, mostly I pack in Rocky Mountain
>>>>>>> National
>>>>>>>Park, where off-road cycling in not allowed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am telling you all this to give you a sense of who, and
>>>what
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>am.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I also think you are SO full of ****.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Chris Foster
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Since you can't be specific, it's obvious that you don't know what
>>>you
>>>>>> are talking about.
>>>>>
>>>>>How have you been fighting auto dependence and road construction?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>I ride my bicycle everywhere. What do you do ??
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> ===
>>>>>> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
>>>>>> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
>>>>>> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
>>>>>>
>>>> ===
>>>> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
>>>> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
>>>> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>>>>
>>>> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
>> ===
>> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
>> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
>> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>>
>> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
>>
===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
 
Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> On 13 Jun 2006 15:50:15 GMT, Chris Foster
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote in
>>news:[email protected]:
>>
>>> On 13 Jun 2006 13:46:22 GMT, Chris Foster
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>>>Hey Mike,
>>>>>>>> I have over a section of land (640 acres) of "pure
>>>>>>>> habitat"
>>>>in
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>"Wet Mountains" on Colorado. You should see it; it is absolutely
>>>>>>>>beautiful, and unspoiled. The land contains two large streams
>>>>running
>>>>>>>>thru it, 2 to 5 springs (depending on the time of the year).
>>>>>>>>One of the streams has carved a beautiful canyon almost a mile
>>>>>>>>long.
>>>>>>>> The wildlife is hardy and robust. Elk, mule deer,
>>>>>>>> turkey, mountain
>>>>>>>>loin and every other type critter you can imagine.
>>>>>>>> I am NOT a mountain biker. I did own one a couple of
>>>>>>>> years back,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Proving that you lack brain cells.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I am an ASIC designer, I will spell it out for you; Application
>>>>Specific
>>>>>>Integrated Circuit. One of the jobs I used to have was with a
>>>>>>company that contracted to Cisco, to design their custom chips.
>>>>>>There is a
>>>>very
>>>>>>high probability that the message you sent to insult me, actually
>>>>>>traveled thru one of the chips I designed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Brains I got.
>>>>>
>>>>> Then there's ponly one other possibility: you don't use them in
>>>>
>>>>WTF is a 'ponly' ???
>>>>
>>>>> situations where your lifestyle is at stake. Kind of like George
>>>>> Bush claiming to be a Christian, but acting NOTHING like the
>>>>> original Christ.... After all, it doesn't take a rocket scientist,
>>>>> or even an ASIC designer, to know that a bike is not going to help
>>>>> wildlife and people in natural areas. It could hardly be plainer.
>>>>> And yet you CHOSE to buy a mountain bike! Please explain your
>>>>> brain fade....
>>>>>
>>>>>>Compassion for a closed minded fool like your self, I do not have.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Mike,
>>>> I bought the mountain bike, because we have DESIGNATED mountain
>>>> bike
>>>>trails here in Colorado.
>>>
>>> There are also areas DESIGNATED for ATVs & for exploding nuclear
>>> bombs, but only a FOOL would actually USE them. You can't blame the
>>> state of Colorado for your abuse of nature.
>>>
>>> I enjoyed it immensely. I got a good physical
>>>>workout and I got outside and enjoyed nature.
>>>
>>> You could have done the same thing by HIKING, and done a lot less
>>> harm. Are you really too dumb to think of that?
>>
>>
>>
>>It has been show over and over that HIKING and MOUNTAIN BIKING have
>>the same impact on the environment, are just too stupid to understand
>>it or just too lazy to get off your fat ass to go look for your self?
>
> I did, but you didn't. If you read those junk science "studies", you
> will find that they all misinterpreted their own data in order to get
> the conclusions they wanted. See http:/home.pacbell.net/mjvande/scb7.
>
>>Do keep in mind that I SOLD the bike and no longer ride it
>
> But you were stupid enough to buy it in the first place.

You also stated once that you rode a Mountain bike, Therefore; you are
equally stupid.

>
>>I am a cycling advocate here in Colorado. I go to town meetings and
>>request additional bike paths to be built along our existing roads so
>>that cyclist can get to where they are going safely.
>
> That destroys habitat. You would do better to get rid of the cars.



To have the State, County or City add 2 feet of pavement to an existing
road, so that cyclist can ride safely, DOES NOT destroy any additional
habitat. Your statement is simply foolish.

Get rid of the cars? I would love that, but I am realistic. I will
tackle something I can actually accomplish, which is to make it safer
for cyclist to ride.



>
>>I am part of the "Walk and Bike to Work" week that is coming up June
>>24 thru 30. I helped organize the event, pass out filers, get radio
>>and TV stations to promote the event. I will be dishing out breakfast
>>for all the walkers/riders.
>
> Good. But it won't accomplish much. You need to reduce parking- & road
> space devoted to cars.


I know several people who now ride their bicycles to work everyday
because we got them started on "Ride to Work Day". That is an
accomplishment. People changing their lifestyles for the better because
of my (our groups) actions.

Mike, you too can actually accomplish something by being more involved.
Simply harassing mountain bikers in this NG will not accomplish
anything. You are wasting your time.

I will no longer waste my time with you. You will either actually do
something that makes a difference or you will continue to waste your
time on this NG. You have to make that decision.



>
>>I ask you one more time, "What are you doing, besides running your
>>mouth, to actually fight auto dependence and road construction".
>
> See my web site.
>
>>I went to your website and saw a few papers written back in the
>>1990's.
>
> "A few"? A wee bit dishonest, aren't you?


Not one bit. I see a few very opinioned articles. Whoopee. What does
that accomplish?? Writing articles and posting them on a web site that
nobody looks at is a WASTE of time.

I ask you for the THIRD time, what are you doing (other than writing
articles) to fight auto dependence and road construction?



>
>>So What! What are you doing now? Besides not paying your taxes?
>>Which also happened in the 1990's. Hope you got that lien cleared up.
>
> Working on protecting wildlife from mountain bikers like you.


HEY FOOL, Im not a mountain biker any more than you are.

>
>>You are still full of ****. You have accomplish nothing. Badgering
>>the cyclist in this NG has resulted in NOTHING. You have WASTED YOUR
>>TIME.
>
> Don't you wish.


I don't wish anything other than oil going to $200/barrel. That would
force everybody in this country to re-evaluate their priorities


Name one mountain biker who quit riding his/her bicyle off-road because
of your articls and/or you BS on this NG


You cant, because that person DOES NOT EXIST. Therefore; you have
wasted your time.


>
>>> I moved away from that
>>>>part of Colorado back up here to Boulder. I sold the bike because I
>>>>no longer road it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>but I sold it and bought a Burley trailer for my 'bicycle
>>>>>>>>touring'.
>>>>>>>> I am a 'roadie' and I ride the road. I ride from my
>>>>>>>> house to work
>>>>>>>>almost everyday (Wont ride if snow is on the ground), that is a
>>>>>>>>round trip ride of 30 miles a day.
>>>>>>>> I am a back packer also, mostly I pack in Rocky Mountain
>>>>>>>> National
>>>>>>>>Park, where off-road cycling in not allowed.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I am telling you all this to give you a sense of who,
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>what
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>am.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I also think you are SO full of ****.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Chris Foster
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Since you can't be specific, it's obvious that you don't know
>>>>>>> what
>>>>you
>>>>>>> are talking about.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>How have you been fighting auto dependence and road construction?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I ride my bicycle everywhere. What do you do ??
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
>>>>>>> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
>>>>>>> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
>>>>>>>
>>>>> ===
>>>>> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
>>>>> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
>>>>> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>>>>>
>>>>> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
>>> ===
>>> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
>>> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
>>> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>>>
>>> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
>>>
> ===
> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>
> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande


--
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On 16 Jun 2006 12:36:32 GMT, Chris Foster
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote in
>news:[email protected]:
>
>> On 13 Jun 2006 15:50:15 GMT, Chris Foster
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote in
>>>news:[email protected]:
>>>
>>>> On 13 Jun 2006 13:46:22 GMT, Chris Foster
>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Hey Mike,
>>>>>>>>> I have over a section of land (640 acres) of "pure
>>>>>>>>> habitat"
>>>>>in
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>"Wet Mountains" on Colorado. You should see it; it is absolutely
>>>>>>>>>beautiful, and unspoiled. The land contains two large streams
>>>>>running
>>>>>>>>>thru it, 2 to 5 springs (depending on the time of the year).
>>>>>>>>>One of the streams has carved a beautiful canyon almost a mile
>>>>>>>>>long.
>>>>>>>>> The wildlife is hardy and robust. Elk, mule deer,
>>>>>>>>> turkey, mountain
>>>>>>>>>loin and every other type critter you can imagine.
>>>>>>>>> I am NOT a mountain biker. I did own one a couple of
>>>>>>>>> years back,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Proving that you lack brain cells.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I am an ASIC designer, I will spell it out for you; Application
>>>>>Specific
>>>>>>>Integrated Circuit. One of the jobs I used to have was with a
>>>>>>>company that contracted to Cisco, to design their custom chips.
>>>>>>>There is a
>>>>>very
>>>>>>>high probability that the message you sent to insult me, actually
>>>>>>>traveled thru one of the chips I designed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Brains I got.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Then there's ponly one other possibility: you don't use them in
>>>>>
>>>>>WTF is a 'ponly' ???
>>>>>
>>>>>> situations where your lifestyle is at stake. Kind of like George
>>>>>> Bush claiming to be a Christian, but acting NOTHING like the
>>>>>> original Christ.... After all, it doesn't take a rocket scientist,
>>>>>> or even an ASIC designer, to know that a bike is not going to help
>>>>>> wildlife and people in natural areas. It could hardly be plainer.
>>>>>> And yet you CHOSE to buy a mountain bike! Please explain your
>>>>>> brain fade....
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Compassion for a closed minded fool like your self, I do not have.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Mike,
>>>>> I bought the mountain bike, because we have DESIGNATED mountain
>>>>> bike
>>>>>trails here in Colorado.
>>>>
>>>> There are also areas DESIGNATED for ATVs & for exploding nuclear
>>>> bombs, but only a FOOL would actually USE them. You can't blame the
>>>> state of Colorado for your abuse of nature.
>>>>
>>>> I enjoyed it immensely. I got a good physical
>>>>>workout and I got outside and enjoyed nature.
>>>>
>>>> You could have done the same thing by HIKING, and done a lot less
>>>> harm. Are you really too dumb to think of that?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>It has been show over and over that HIKING and MOUNTAIN BIKING have
>>>the same impact on the environment, are just too stupid to understand
>>>it or just too lazy to get off your fat ass to go look for your self?
>>
>> I did, but you didn't. If you read those junk science "studies", you
>> will find that they all misinterpreted their own data in order to get
>> the conclusions they wanted. See http:/home.pacbell.net/mjvande/scb7.
>>
>>>Do keep in mind that I SOLD the bike and no longer ride it
>>
>> But you were stupid enough to buy it in the first place.
>
>You also stated once that you rode a Mountain bike, Therefore; you are
>equally stupid.

No, it was only a research experiment, and I didn't buy it.

>>>I am a cycling advocate here in Colorado. I go to town meetings and
>>>request additional bike paths to be built along our existing roads so
>>>that cyclist can get to where they are going safely.
>>
>> That destroys habitat. You would do better to get rid of the cars.
>
>
>
>To have the State, County or City add 2 feet of pavement to an existing
>road, so that cyclist can ride safely, DOES NOT destroy any additional
>habitat.

Of course it does. It turns something natural into something PAVED.
DUH!

Your statement is simply foolish.
>
>Get rid of the cars? I would love that, but I am realistic.

No, LAZY.

I will
>tackle something I can actually accomplish, which is to make it safer
>for cyclist to ride.
>
>
>
>>
>>>I am part of the "Walk and Bike to Work" week that is coming up June
>>>24 thru 30. I helped organize the event, pass out filers, get radio
>>>and TV stations to promote the event. I will be dishing out breakfast
>>>for all the walkers/riders.
>>
>> Good. But it won't accomplish much. You need to reduce parking- & road
>> space devoted to cars.
>
>
>I know several people who now ride their bicycles to work everyday
>because we got them started on "Ride to Work Day". That is an
>accomplishment. People changing their lifestyles for the better because
>of my (our groups) actions.

Not if they also mountain bike: there's no net benefit.

>Mike, you too can actually accomplish something by being more involved.
>Simply harassing mountain bikers in this NG will not accomplish
>anything. You are wasting your time.

So you are saying that mountain bikers are unteachable? Too bad for
them. But you forgot that there are other people here, like Ed Dolan,
who CAN learn.

>I will no longer waste my time with you. You will either actually do
>something that makes a difference or you will continue to waste your
>time on this NG. You have to make that decision.
>
>
>
>>
>>>I ask you one more time, "What are you doing, besides running your
>>>mouth, to actually fight auto dependence and road construction".
>>
>> See my web site.
>>
>>>I went to your website and saw a few papers written back in the
>>>1990's.
>>
>> "A few"? A wee bit dishonest, aren't you?
>
>
>Not one bit. I see a few very opinioned articles. Whoopee. What does
>that accomplish?? Writing articles and posting them on a web site that
>nobody looks at is a WASTE of time.

As you well know, I did more than post them on my web site. They were
addressed to public officials.

>I ask you for the THIRD time, what are you doing (other than writing
>articles) to fight auto dependence and road construction?

Read my website. You obviously didn't really read anything.

>>>So What! What are you doing now? Besides not paying your taxes?
>>>Which also happened in the 1990's. Hope you got that lien cleared up.
>>
>> Working on protecting wildlife from mountain bikers like you.
>
>
>HEY FOOL, Im not a mountain biker any more than you are.

Good. But you are even worse, because you promote road construction!

>>>You are still full of ****. You have accomplish nothing. Badgering
>>>the cyclist in this NG has resulted in NOTHING. You have WASTED YOUR
>>>TIME.
>>
>> Don't you wish.
>
>
>I don't wish anything other than oil going to $200/barrel. That would
>force everybody in this country to re-evaluate their priorities

Me, too.

>Name one mountain biker who quit riding his/her bicyle off-road because
>of your articls and/or you BS on this NG

They aren't that intelligent. They have to be forced to stop by trail
closures.

>You cant, because that person DOES NOT EXIST. Therefore; you have
>wasted your time.

Nope, I made them think, and others as well. You are simply trying to
cover up the fact that you promote road construction, NOT preventing
global warming.

>>>> I moved away from that
>>>>>part of Colorado back up here to Boulder. I sold the bike because I
>>>>>no longer road it.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>but I sold it and bought a Burley trailer for my 'bicycle
>>>>>>>>>touring'.
>>>>>>>>> I am a 'roadie' and I ride the road. I ride from my
>>>>>>>>> house to work
>>>>>>>>>almost everyday (Wont ride if snow is on the ground), that is a
>>>>>>>>>round trip ride of 30 miles a day.
>>>>>>>>> I am a back packer also, mostly I pack in Rocky Mountain
>>>>>>>>> National
>>>>>>>>>Park, where off-road cycling in not allowed.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I am telling you all this to give you a sense of who,
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>what
>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>am.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I also think you are SO full of ****.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Chris Foster
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Since you can't be specific, it's obvious that you don't know
>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>you
>>>>>>>> are talking about.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>How have you been fighting auto dependence and road construction?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I ride my bicycle everywhere. What do you do ??
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
>>>>>>>> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
>>>>>>>> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> ===
>>>>>> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
>>>>>> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
>>>>>> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
>>>> ===
>>>> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
>>>> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
>>>> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>>>>
>>>> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
>>>>
>> ===
>> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
>> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
>> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>>
>> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
 
Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> On 16 Jun 2006 12:36:32 GMT, Chris Foster
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote in
>>news:[email protected]:
>>
>>> On 13 Jun 2006 15:50:15 GMT, Chris Foster
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote in
>>>>news:[email protected]:
>>>>
>>>>> On 13 Jun 2006 13:46:22 GMT, Chris Foster
>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Hey Mike,
>>>>>>>>>> I have over a section of land (640 acres) of "pure
>>>>>>>>>> habitat"
>>>>>>in
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>"Wet Mountains" on Colorado. You should see it; it is
absolutely
>>>>>>>>>>beautiful, and unspoiled. The land contains two large streams
>>>>>>running
>>>>>>>>>>thru it, 2 to 5 springs (depending on the time of the year).
>>>>>>>>>>One of the streams has carved a beautiful canyon almost a mile
>>>>>>>>>>long.
>>>>>>>>>> The wildlife is hardy and robust. Elk, mule deer,
>>>>>>>>>> turkey, mountain
>>>>>>>>>>loin and every other type critter you can imagine.
>>>>>>>>>> I am NOT a mountain biker. I did own one a couple of
>>>>>>>>>> years back,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Proving that you lack brain cells.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I am an ASIC designer, I will spell it out for you; Application
>>>>>>Specific
>>>>>>>>Integrated Circuit. One of the jobs I used to have was with a
>>>>>>>>company that contracted to Cisco, to design their custom chips.
>>>>>>>>There is a
>>>>>>very
>>>>>>>>high probability that the message you sent to insult me, actually
>>>>>>>>traveled thru one of the chips I designed.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Brains I got.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Then there's ponly one other possibility: you don't use them in
>>>>>>
>>>>>>WTF is a 'ponly' ???
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> situations where your lifestyle is at stake. Kind of like George
>>>>>>> Bush claiming to be a Christian, but acting NOTHING like the
>>>>>>> original Christ.... After all, it doesn't take a rocket
scientist,
>>>>>>> or even an ASIC designer, to know that a bike is not going to
help
>>>>>>> wildlife and people in natural areas. It could hardly be plainer.
>>>>>>> And yet you CHOSE to buy a mountain bike! Please explain your
>>>>>>> brain fade....
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Compassion for a closed minded fool like your self, I do not
have.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Mike,
>>>>>> I bought the mountain bike, because we have DESIGNATED mountain
>>>>>> bike
>>>>>>trails here in Colorado.
>>>>>
>>>>> There are also areas DESIGNATED for ATVs & for exploding nuclear
>>>>> bombs, but only a FOOL would actually USE them. You can't blame the
>>>>> state of Colorado for your abuse of nature.
>>>>>
>>>>> I enjoyed it immensely. I got a good physical
>>>>>>workout and I got outside and enjoyed nature.
>>>>>
>>>>> You could have done the same thing by HIKING, and done a lot less
>>>>> harm. Are you really too dumb to think of that?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>It has been show over and over that HIKING and MOUNTAIN BIKING have
>>>>the same impact on the environment, are just too stupid to understand
>>>>it or just too lazy to get off your fat ass to go look for your self?
>>>
>>> I did, but you didn't. If you read those junk science "studies", you
>>> will find that they all misinterpreted their own data in order to get
>>> the conclusions they wanted. See http:/home.pacbell.net/mjvande/scb7.
>>>
>>>>Do keep in mind that I SOLD the bike and no longer ride it
>>>
>>> But you were stupid enough to buy it in the first place.
>>
>>You also stated once that you rode a Mountain bike, Therefore; you are
>>equally stupid.
>
> No, it was only a research experiment, and I didn't buy it.
>
>>>>I am a cycling advocate here in Colorado. I go to town meetings and
>>>>request additional bike paths to be built along our existing roads so
>>>>that cyclist can get to where they are going safely.
>>>
>>> That destroys habitat. You would do better to get rid of the cars.
>>
>>
>>
>>To have the State, County or City add 2 feet of pavement to an existing
>>road, so that cyclist can ride safely, DOES NOT destroy any additional
>>habitat.
>
> Of course it does. It turns something natural into something PAVED.
> DUH!
>
> Your statement is simply foolish.
>>
>>Get rid of the cars? I would love that, but I am realistic.
>
> No, LAZY.
>
> I will
>>tackle something I can actually accomplish, which is to make it safer
>>for cyclist to ride.
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>>I am part of the "Walk and Bike to Work" week that is coming up June
>>>>24 thru 30. I helped organize the event, pass out filers, get radio
>>>>and TV stations to promote the event. I will be dishing out
breakfast
>>>>for all the walkers/riders.
>>>
>>> Good. But it won't accomplish much. You need to reduce parking- &
road
>>> space devoted to cars.
>>
>>
>>I know several people who now ride their bicycles to work everyday
>>because we got them started on "Ride to Work Day". That is an
>>accomplishment. People changing their lifestyles for the better
because
>>of my (our groups) actions.
>
> Not if they also mountain bike: there's no net benefit.
>
>>Mike, you too can actually accomplish something by being more involved.
>>Simply harassing mountain bikers in this NG will not accomplish
>>anything. You are wasting your time.
>
> So you are saying that mountain bikers are unteachable? Too bad for
> them. But you forgot that there are other people here, like Ed Dolan,
> who CAN learn.
>
>>I will no longer waste my time with you. You will either actually do
>>something that makes a difference or you will continue to waste your
>>time on this NG. You have to make that decision.
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>>I ask you one more time, "What are you doing, besides running your
>>>>mouth, to actually fight auto dependence and road construction".
>>>
>>> See my web site.
>>>
>>>>I went to your website and saw a few papers written back in the
>>>>1990's.
>>>
>>> "A few"? A wee bit dishonest, aren't you?
>>
>>
>>Not one bit. I see a few very opinioned articles. Whoopee. What
does
>>that accomplish?? Writing articles and posting them on a web site that
>>nobody looks at is a WASTE of time.
>
> As you well know, I did more than post them on my web site. They were
> addressed to public officials.
>
>>I ask you for the THIRD time, what are you doing (other than writing
>>articles) to fight auto dependence and road construction?
>
> Read my website. You obviously didn't really read anything.
>
>>>>So What! What are you doing now? Besides not paying your taxes?
>>>>Which also happened in the 1990's. Hope you got that lien cleared
up.
>>>
>>> Working on protecting wildlife from mountain bikers like you.
>>
>>
>>HEY FOOL, Im not a mountain biker any more than you are.
>
> Good. But you are even worse, because you promote road construction!
>
>>>>You are still full of ****. You have accomplish nothing. Badgering
>>>>the cyclist in this NG has resulted in NOTHING. You have WASTED YOUR
>>>>TIME.
>>>
>>> Don't you wish.
>>
>>
>>I don't wish anything other than oil going to $200/barrel. That would
>>force everybody in this country to re-evaluate their priorities
>
> Me, too.
>
>>Name one mountain biker who quit riding his/her bicyle off-road because
>>of your articls and/or you BS on this NG
>
> They aren't that intelligent. They have to be forced to stop by trail
> closures.
>
>>You cant, because that person DOES NOT EXIST. Therefore; you have
>>wasted your time.
>
> Nope, I made them think, and others as well. You are simply trying to
> cover up the fact that you promote road construction, NOT preventing
> global warming.
>
>>>>> I moved away from that
>>>>>>part of Colorado back up here to Boulder. I sold the bike because
I
>>>>>>no longer road it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>but I sold it and bought a Burley trailer for my 'bicycle
>>>>>>>>>>touring'.
>>>>>>>>>> I am a 'roadie' and I ride the road. I ride from my
>>>>>>>>>> house to work
>>>>>>>>>>almost everyday (Wont ride if snow is on the ground), that is a
>>>>>>>>>>round trip ride of 30 miles a day.
>>>>>>>>>> I am a back packer also, mostly I pack in Rocky
Mountain
>>>>>>>>>> National
>>>>>>>>>>Park, where off-road cycling in not allowed.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I am telling you all this to give you a sense of who,
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>what
>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>am.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I also think you are SO full of ****.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Chris Foster
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Since you can't be specific, it's obvious that you don't know
>>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>you
>>>>>>>>> are talking about.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>How have you been fighting auto dependence and road construction?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I ride my bicycle everywhere. What do you do ??
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>>> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
>>>>>>>>> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
>>>>>>>>> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
>>>>>>> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
>>>>>>> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
>>>>> ===
>>>>> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
>>>>> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
>>>>> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>>>>>
>>>>> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
>>>>>
>>> ===
>>> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
>>> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
>>> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>>>
>>> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
> ===
> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>
> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande


Hey Tardo,

I do not advocate road construction any more than you do. I do
advocate bicycle path construction. If you would like to play word games
and semantics with that, feel free. It will only make you look even more
foolish than you already do.

I ask you for the forth time, "What are you doing to fight auto
dependence and road construction?" I have not received an answer to that
question yet.

I have told you what I am doing. I am promoting road cycling. You
appear to have objections to that too.

All I see you doing is wasting your time by *****ing, and not actually
DOING anything. My conscience is clear, I hope yours is.


Say Hi to Yukiko for me.







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Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> On 19 Jun 2006 12:06:45 GMT, Chris Foster
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote in
>>news:[email protected]:
>>
>>> On 16 Jun 2006 12:36:32 GMT, Chris Foster
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote in
>>>>news:[email protected]:
>>>>
>>>>> On 13 Jun 2006 15:50:15 GMT, Chris Foster
>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote in
>>>>>>news:[email protected]:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 13 Jun 2006 13:46:22 GMT, Chris Foster
>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Hey Mike,
>>>>>>>>>>>> I have over a section of land (640 acres) of "pure
>>>>>>>>>>>> habitat"
>>>>>>>>in
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>"Wet Mountains" on Colorado. You should see it; it is
>>absolutely
>>>>>>>>>>>>beautiful, and unspoiled. The land contains two large
>>>>>>>>>>>>streams
>>>>>>>>running
>>>>>>>>>>>>thru it, 2 to 5 springs (depending on the time of the year).
>>>>>>>>>>>>One of the streams has carved a beautiful canyon almost a
>>>>>>>>>>>>mile long.
>>>>>>>>>>>> The wildlife is hardy and robust. Elk, mule deer,
>>>>>>>>>>>> turkey, mountain
>>>>>>>>>>>>loin and every other type critter you can imagine.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I am NOT a mountain biker. I did own one a couple
>>>>>>>>>>>> of years back,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Proving that you lack brain cells.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>I am an ASIC designer, I will spell it out for you;
>>>>>>>>>>Application
>>>>>>>>Specific
>>>>>>>>>>Integrated Circuit. One of the jobs I used to have was with a
>>>>>>>>>>company that contracted to Cisco, to design their custom
>>>>>>>>>>chips. There is a
>>>>>>>>very
>>>>>>>>>>high probability that the message you sent to insult me,
>>>>>>>>>>actually traveled thru one of the chips I designed.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Brains I got.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Then there's ponly one other possibility: you don't use them
>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>WTF is a 'ponly' ???
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> situations where your lifestyle is at stake. Kind of like
>>>>>>>>> George Bush claiming to be a Christian, but acting NOTHING
>>>>>>>>> like the original Christ.... After all, it doesn't take a
>>>>>>>>> rocket
>>scientist,
>>>>>>>>> or even an ASIC designer, to know that a bike is not going to
>>help
>>>>>>>>> wildlife and people in natural areas. It could hardly be
>>>>>>>>> plainer. And yet you CHOSE to buy a mountain bike! Please
>>>>>>>>> explain your brain fade....
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Compassion for a closed minded fool like your self, I do not
>>have.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Mike,
>>>>>>>> I bought the mountain bike, because we have DESIGNATED
>>>>>>>> mountain bike
>>>>>>>>trails here in Colorado.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There are also areas DESIGNATED for ATVs & for exploding nuclear
>>>>>>> bombs, but only a FOOL would actually USE them. You can't blame
>>>>>>> the state of Colorado for your abuse of nature.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I enjoyed it immensely. I got a good physical
>>>>>>>>workout and I got outside and enjoyed nature.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You could have done the same thing by HIKING, and done a lot
>>>>>>> less harm. Are you really too dumb to think of that?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>It has been show over and over that HIKING and MOUNTAIN BIKING
>>>>>>have the same impact on the environment, are just too stupid to
>>>>>>understand it or just too lazy to get off your fat ass to go look
>>>>>>for your self?
>>>>>
>>>>> I did, but you didn't. If you read those junk science "studies",
>>>>> you will find that they all misinterpreted their own data in order
>>>>> to get the conclusions they wanted. See
>>>>> http:/home.pacbell.net/mjvande/scb7.
>>>>>
>>>>>>Do keep in mind that I SOLD the bike and no longer ride it
>>>>>
>>>>> But you were stupid enough to buy it in the first place.
>>>>
>>>>You also stated once that you rode a Mountain bike, Therefore; you
>>>>are equally stupid.
>>>
>>> No, it was only a research experiment, and I didn't buy it.
>>>
>>>>>>I am a cycling advocate here in Colorado. I go to town meetings
>>>>>>and request additional bike paths to be built along our existing
>>>>>>roads so that cyclist can get to where they are going safely.
>>>>>
>>>>> That destroys habitat. You would do better to get rid of the cars.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>To have the State, County or City add 2 feet of pavement to an
>>>>existing road, so that cyclist can ride safely, DOES NOT destroy any
>>>>additional habitat.
>>>
>>> Of course it does. It turns something natural into something PAVED.
>>> DUH!
>>>
>>> Your statement is simply foolish.
>>>>
>>>>Get rid of the cars? I would love that, but I am realistic.
>>>
>>> No, LAZY.
>>>
>>> I will
>>>>tackle something I can actually accomplish, which is to make it
>>>>safer for cyclist to ride.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>I am part of the "Walk and Bike to Work" week that is coming up
>>>>>>June 24 thru 30. I helped organize the event, pass out filers,
>>>>>>get radio and TV stations to promote the event. I will be dishing
>>>>>>out
>>breakfast
>>>>>>for all the walkers/riders.
>>>>>
>>>>> Good. But it won't accomplish much. You need to reduce parking- &
>>road
>>>>> space devoted to cars.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I know several people who now ride their bicycles to work everyday
>>>>because we got them started on "Ride to Work Day". That is an
>>>>accomplishment. People changing their lifestyles for the better
>>because
>>>>of my (our groups) actions.
>>>
>>> Not if they also mountain bike: there's no net benefit.
>>>
>>>>Mike, you too can actually accomplish something by being more
>>>>involved. Simply harassing mountain bikers in this NG will not
>>>>accomplish anything. You are wasting your time.
>>>
>>> So you are saying that mountain bikers are unteachable? Too bad for
>>> them. But you forgot that there are other people here, like Ed
>>> Dolan, who CAN learn.
>>>
>>>>I will no longer waste my time with you. You will either actually
>>>>do something that makes a difference or you will continue to waste
>>>>your time on this NG. You have to make that decision.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>I ask you one more time, "What are you doing, besides running your
>>>>>>mouth, to actually fight auto dependence and road construction".
>>>>>
>>>>> See my web site.
>>>>>
>>>>>>I went to your website and saw a few papers written back in the
>>>>>>1990's.
>>>>>
>>>>> "A few"? A wee bit dishonest, aren't you?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Not one bit. I see a few very opinioned articles. Whoopee. What
>>does
>>>>that accomplish?? Writing articles and posting them on a web site
>>>>that nobody looks at is a WASTE of time.
>>>
>>> As you well know, I did more than post them on my web site. They
>>> were addressed to public officials.
>>>
>>>>I ask you for the THIRD time, what are you doing (other than writing
>>>>articles) to fight auto dependence and road construction?
>>>
>>> Read my website. You obviously didn't really read anything.
>>>
>>>>>>So What! What are you doing now? Besides not paying your taxes?
>>>>>>Which also happened in the 1990's. Hope you got that lien cleared
>>up.
>>>>>
>>>>> Working on protecting wildlife from mountain bikers like you.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>HEY FOOL, Im not a mountain biker any more than you are.
>>>
>>> Good. But you are even worse, because you promote road construction!
>>>
>>>>>>You are still full of ****. You have accomplish nothing.
>>>>>>Badgering the cyclist in this NG has resulted in NOTHING. You
>>>>>>have WASTED YOUR TIME.
>>>>>
>>>>> Don't you wish.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I don't wish anything other than oil going to $200/barrel. That
>>>>would force everybody in this country to re-evaluate their
>>>>priorities
>>>
>>> Me, too.
>>>
>>>>Name one mountain biker who quit riding his/her bicyle off-road
>>>>because of your articls and/or you BS on this NG
>>>
>>> They aren't that intelligent. They have to be forced to stop by
>>> trail closures.
>>>
>>>>You cant, because that person DOES NOT EXIST. Therefore; you have
>>>>wasted your time.
>>>
>>> Nope, I made them think, and others as well. You are simply trying
>>> to cover up the fact that you promote road construction, NOT
>>> preventing global warming.
>>>
>>>>>>> I moved away from that
>>>>>>>>part of Colorado back up here to Boulder. I sold the bike
>>>>>>>>because
>>I
>>>>>>>>no longer road it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>but I sold it and bought a Burley trailer for my 'bicycle
>>>>>>>>>>>>touring'.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I am a 'roadie' and I ride the road. I ride from my
>>>>>>>>>>>> house to work
>>>>>>>>>>>>almost everyday (Wont ride if snow is on the ground), that
>>>>>>>>>>>>is a round trip ride of 30 miles a day.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I am a back packer also, mostly I pack in Rocky
>>Mountain
>>>>>>>>>>>> National
>>>>>>>>>>>>Park, where off-road cycling in not allowed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I am telling you all this to give you a sense of
>>>>>>>>>>>> who, and
>>>>>>>>what
>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>am.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I also think you are SO full of ****.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Chris Foster
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Since you can't be specific, it's obvious that you don't
>>>>>>>>>>> know what
>>>>>>>>you
>>>>>>>>>>> are talking about.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>How have you been fighting auto dependence and road
>>>>>>>>>>construction?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>I ride my bicycle everywhere. What do you do ??
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>>>>> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits
>>>>>>>>>>> to humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the
>>>>>>>>>>> previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road
>>>>>>>>>>> construction.)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>>> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits
>>>>>>>>> to humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the
>>>>>>>>> previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road
>>>>>>>>> construction.)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
>>>>>>> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
>>>>>>> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
>>>>>>>
>>>>> ===
>>>>> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
>>>>> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
>>>>> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>>>>>
>>>>> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
>>> ===
>>> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
>>> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
>>> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>>>
>>> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
>>
>>
>>Hey Tardo,
>>
>> I do not advocate road construction any more than you do. I do
>>advocate bicycle path construction.
>
> What's the difference? One is called a "road", and the other one is a
> road called a "bicycle path". I'm consistent: I oppose BOTH.
>


That is very sad. I support bicycle path construction and will continue
to do so.

I now see I have wasted my time discussing anything intelligent with you
and I will no longer do so. Have a nice little angry life Mike. Say Hi
to Yukiko for me.





> If you would like to play word games
>>and semantics with that, feel free. It will only make you look even
>>more foolish than you already do.
>>
>> I ask you for the forth time, "What are you doing to fight auto
>>dependence and road construction?" I have not received an answer to
>>that question yet.
>>
>> I have told you what I am doing. I am promoting road cycling.
>
> That does NOTHING to stop road construction. I tell the truth about
> it. You don't.
>
> You
>>appear to have objections to that too.
>>
>> All I see you doing is wasting your time by *****ing, and not
>> actually
>>DOING anything. My conscience is clear, I hope yours is.
>
> Only because you don't HAVE one.


Wow Mike. What a great come back. Something like Liar Liar, pants on
fire.


Say Hi to Yukiko for me.




> ===
> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>
> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
>


--
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On 19 Jun 2006 12:06:45 GMT, Chris Foster
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote in
>news:[email protected]:
>
>> On 16 Jun 2006 12:36:32 GMT, Chris Foster
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote in
>>>news:[email protected]:
>>>
>>>> On 13 Jun 2006 15:50:15 GMT, Chris Foster
>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote in
>>>>>news:[email protected]:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 13 Jun 2006 13:46:22 GMT, Chris Foster
>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Hey Mike,
>>>>>>>>>>> I have over a section of land (640 acres) of "pure
>>>>>>>>>>> habitat"
>>>>>>>in
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>"Wet Mountains" on Colorado. You should see it; it is
>absolutely
>>>>>>>>>>>beautiful, and unspoiled. The land contains two large streams
>>>>>>>running
>>>>>>>>>>>thru it, 2 to 5 springs (depending on the time of the year).
>>>>>>>>>>>One of the streams has carved a beautiful canyon almost a mile
>>>>>>>>>>>long.
>>>>>>>>>>> The wildlife is hardy and robust. Elk, mule deer,
>>>>>>>>>>> turkey, mountain
>>>>>>>>>>>loin and every other type critter you can imagine.
>>>>>>>>>>> I am NOT a mountain biker. I did own one a couple of
>>>>>>>>>>> years back,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Proving that you lack brain cells.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I am an ASIC designer, I will spell it out for you; Application
>>>>>>>Specific
>>>>>>>>>Integrated Circuit. One of the jobs I used to have was with a
>>>>>>>>>company that contracted to Cisco, to design their custom chips.
>>>>>>>>>There is a
>>>>>>>very
>>>>>>>>>high probability that the message you sent to insult me, actually
>>>>>>>>>traveled thru one of the chips I designed.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Brains I got.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Then there's ponly one other possibility: you don't use them in
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>WTF is a 'ponly' ???
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> situations where your lifestyle is at stake. Kind of like George
>>>>>>>> Bush claiming to be a Christian, but acting NOTHING like the
>>>>>>>> original Christ.... After all, it doesn't take a rocket
>scientist,
>>>>>>>> or even an ASIC designer, to know that a bike is not going to
>help
>>>>>>>> wildlife and people in natural areas. It could hardly be plainer.
>>>>>>>> And yet you CHOSE to buy a mountain bike! Please explain your
>>>>>>>> brain fade....
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Compassion for a closed minded fool like your self, I do not
>have.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Mike,
>>>>>>> I bought the mountain bike, because we have DESIGNATED mountain
>>>>>>> bike
>>>>>>>trails here in Colorado.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There are also areas DESIGNATED for ATVs & for exploding nuclear
>>>>>> bombs, but only a FOOL would actually USE them. You can't blame the
>>>>>> state of Colorado for your abuse of nature.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I enjoyed it immensely. I got a good physical
>>>>>>>workout and I got outside and enjoyed nature.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You could have done the same thing by HIKING, and done a lot less
>>>>>> harm. Are you really too dumb to think of that?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>It has been show over and over that HIKING and MOUNTAIN BIKING have
>>>>>the same impact on the environment, are just too stupid to understand
>>>>>it or just too lazy to get off your fat ass to go look for your self?
>>>>
>>>> I did, but you didn't. If you read those junk science "studies", you
>>>> will find that they all misinterpreted their own data in order to get
>>>> the conclusions they wanted. See http:/home.pacbell.net/mjvande/scb7.
>>>>
>>>>>Do keep in mind that I SOLD the bike and no longer ride it
>>>>
>>>> But you were stupid enough to buy it in the first place.
>>>
>>>You also stated once that you rode a Mountain bike, Therefore; you are
>>>equally stupid.
>>
>> No, it was only a research experiment, and I didn't buy it.
>>
>>>>>I am a cycling advocate here in Colorado. I go to town meetings and
>>>>>request additional bike paths to be built along our existing roads so
>>>>>that cyclist can get to where they are going safely.
>>>>
>>>> That destroys habitat. You would do better to get rid of the cars.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>To have the State, County or City add 2 feet of pavement to an existing
>>>road, so that cyclist can ride safely, DOES NOT destroy any additional
>>>habitat.
>>
>> Of course it does. It turns something natural into something PAVED.
>> DUH!
>>
>> Your statement is simply foolish.
>>>
>>>Get rid of the cars? I would love that, but I am realistic.
>>
>> No, LAZY.
>>
>> I will
>>>tackle something I can actually accomplish, which is to make it safer
>>>for cyclist to ride.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I am part of the "Walk and Bike to Work" week that is coming up June
>>>>>24 thru 30. I helped organize the event, pass out filers, get radio
>>>>>and TV stations to promote the event. I will be dishing out
>breakfast
>>>>>for all the walkers/riders.
>>>>
>>>> Good. But it won't accomplish much. You need to reduce parking- &
>road
>>>> space devoted to cars.
>>>
>>>
>>>I know several people who now ride their bicycles to work everyday
>>>because we got them started on "Ride to Work Day". That is an
>>>accomplishment. People changing their lifestyles for the better
>because
>>>of my (our groups) actions.
>>
>> Not if they also mountain bike: there's no net benefit.
>>
>>>Mike, you too can actually accomplish something by being more involved.
>>>Simply harassing mountain bikers in this NG will not accomplish
>>>anything. You are wasting your time.
>>
>> So you are saying that mountain bikers are unteachable? Too bad for
>> them. But you forgot that there are other people here, like Ed Dolan,
>> who CAN learn.
>>
>>>I will no longer waste my time with you. You will either actually do
>>>something that makes a difference or you will continue to waste your
>>>time on this NG. You have to make that decision.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I ask you one more time, "What are you doing, besides running your
>>>>>mouth, to actually fight auto dependence and road construction".
>>>>
>>>> See my web site.
>>>>
>>>>>I went to your website and saw a few papers written back in the
>>>>>1990's.
>>>>
>>>> "A few"? A wee bit dishonest, aren't you?
>>>
>>>
>>>Not one bit. I see a few very opinioned articles. Whoopee. What
>does
>>>that accomplish?? Writing articles and posting them on a web site that
>>>nobody looks at is a WASTE of time.
>>
>> As you well know, I did more than post them on my web site. They were
>> addressed to public officials.
>>
>>>I ask you for the THIRD time, what are you doing (other than writing
>>>articles) to fight auto dependence and road construction?
>>
>> Read my website. You obviously didn't really read anything.
>>
>>>>>So What! What are you doing now? Besides not paying your taxes?
>>>>>Which also happened in the 1990's. Hope you got that lien cleared
>up.
>>>>
>>>> Working on protecting wildlife from mountain bikers like you.
>>>
>>>
>>>HEY FOOL, Im not a mountain biker any more than you are.
>>
>> Good. But you are even worse, because you promote road construction!
>>
>>>>>You are still full of ****. You have accomplish nothing. Badgering
>>>>>the cyclist in this NG has resulted in NOTHING. You have WASTED YOUR
>>>>>TIME.
>>>>
>>>> Don't you wish.
>>>
>>>
>>>I don't wish anything other than oil going to $200/barrel. That would
>>>force everybody in this country to re-evaluate their priorities
>>
>> Me, too.
>>
>>>Name one mountain biker who quit riding his/her bicyle off-road because
>>>of your articls and/or you BS on this NG
>>
>> They aren't that intelligent. They have to be forced to stop by trail
>> closures.
>>
>>>You cant, because that person DOES NOT EXIST. Therefore; you have
>>>wasted your time.
>>
>> Nope, I made them think, and others as well. You are simply trying to
>> cover up the fact that you promote road construction, NOT preventing
>> global warming.
>>
>>>>>> I moved away from that
>>>>>>>part of Colorado back up here to Boulder. I sold the bike because
>I
>>>>>>>no longer road it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>but I sold it and bought a Burley trailer for my 'bicycle
>>>>>>>>>>>touring'.
>>>>>>>>>>> I am a 'roadie' and I ride the road. I ride from my
>>>>>>>>>>> house to work
>>>>>>>>>>>almost everyday (Wont ride if snow is on the ground), that is a
>>>>>>>>>>>round trip ride of 30 miles a day.
>>>>>>>>>>> I am a back packer also, mostly I pack in Rocky
>Mountain
>>>>>>>>>>> National
>>>>>>>>>>>Park, where off-road cycling in not allowed.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I am telling you all this to give you a sense of who,
>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>what
>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>am.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I also think you are SO full of ****.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Chris Foster
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Since you can't be specific, it's obvious that you don't know
>>>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>you
>>>>>>>>>> are talking about.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>How have you been fighting auto dependence and road construction?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I ride my bicycle everywhere. What do you do ??
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>>>> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
>>>>>>>>>> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
>>>>>>>>>> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
>>>>>>>> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
>>>>>>>> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
>>>>>> ===
>>>>>> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
>>>>>> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
>>>>>> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
>>>>>>
>>>> ===
>>>> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
>>>> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
>>>> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>>>>
>>>> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
>> ===
>> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
>> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
>> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>>
>> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
>
>
>Hey Tardo,
>
> I do not advocate road construction any more than you do. I do
>advocate bicycle path construction.

What's the difference? One is called a "road", and the other one is a
road called a "bicycle path". I'm consistent: I oppose BOTH.

If you would like to play word games
>and semantics with that, feel free. It will only make you look even more
>foolish than you already do.
>
> I ask you for the forth time, "What are you doing to fight auto
>dependence and road construction?" I have not received an answer to that
>question yet.
>
> I have told you what I am doing. I am promoting road cycling.

That does NOTHING to stop road construction. I tell the truth about
it. You don't.

You
>appear to have objections to that too.
>
> All I see you doing is wasting your time by *****ing, and not actually
>DOING anything. My conscience is clear, I hope yours is.

Only because you don't HAVE one.
===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
 
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