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    George Cherry
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    Perhaps their diets do not provide the minerals
    and vitamins conducive to equanimity?

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  2. Susan
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    George Cherry said:

    Perhaps their diets do not provide the minerals
    and vitamins conducive to equanimity?

    That's just plain dumb.

    As a low carbing meat eater, I eat far more veggies than I did as a
    vegetarian.

    I replaced the pasta, rice, beans in my diet with boatloads of low carb,
    high fiber veggies and small amounts of fruit.

    And I don't need supplements to avoid deficiencies of B12.

    Susan

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  3. RBR
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    On Sun, 28 Aug 2005 12:29:15 -0400, Susan <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

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    George Cherry said:

    Perhaps their diets do not provide the minerals
    and vitamins conducive to equanimity?

    That's just plain dumb.

    Yes it is. People ignorant of low-carb and paleo-type diets wouldn't
    understand.

    Quoted message said:


    As a low carbing meat eater, I eat far more veggies than I did as a
    vegetarian.

    Likewise for me Susan. I eat more veggies than most folks I know and
    my local grower loves me for it!

    Quoted message said:

    I replaced the pasta, rice, beans in my diet with boatloads of low carb,
    high fiber veggies and small amounts of fruit.

    And I don't need supplements to avoid deficiencies of B12.

    One serving of liver each month and any concerns over B-12 go away.
    ;o)

    RBR

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  4. George Cherry
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    "RBR" unscientifically opined:

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    One serving of liver each month and any concerns over B-12 go away.

    Nope, there are still concerns:

    1. Up to 30% of people ages 50 and over suffer form
    atrophic gastritis, a thinning of the stomach lining.
    This condition reduces the acid secretions that
    free B-12 from animal protein, so much less is
    absorbed by the small intestine. In addiction, lack
    of stomach juices may also allow the overgrowth
    of bacteria in the small intestine. The bacteria grab
    B-12 for their own purposes, leaving less for the
    intestine to absorb.

    2. Some people's stomachs don't make enough
    intrinsic factor; consequently they can't absorb
    enough B-12.

    3. Crohn's disease might cause a B-12 shortage
    because it interferes with the functioning of the
    small intestine.

    So, I repeat: whether you are a meat-eater, a vegetarian,
    or a vegan, it's a good Scientific Medical Nutritional
    policy to take a B-12 supplement, since the supplement
    is very inexpensive, and even very large doses of the
    vitamin don't seem to pose any danger.

    George

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  5. Susan
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    RBR said:

    One serving of liver each month and any concerns over B-12 go away.
    ;o)

    I don't eat liver; my husband hates it. OTOH, I also think it better to
    have a steady supply of nutrients, so I supplement.

    I used to inject B12 when extremely fatigued by illness, and found a
    threshold effect at about 2ccs for improved energy.

    Susan

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  6. George Cherry
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    "Susan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

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    RBR said:

    One serving of liver each month and any concerns over B-12 go away.
    ;o)

    I don't eat liver; my husband hates it. OTOH, I also think it better to
    have a steady supply of nutrients, so I supplement.

    A good, inexpensive, and optimizing idea.

    Quoted message said:

    I used to inject B12 when extremely fatigued by illness, and found a
    threshold effect at about 2ccs for improved energy.

    People with Crohn's disease and other malabsorption
    problems may need B-12 injections depending on the
    severity of their condition. Gastric bypass patients may
    need them, also.

    George

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  7. Susan
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    George Cherry said:

    People with Crohn's disease and other malabsorption
    problems may need B-12 injections depending on the
    severity of their condition. Gastric bypass patients may
    need them, also.

    I believe I saw an abstract recently demonstrating that a particular
    form of sublingual b12 may have been efficiently absorbed, but I can't
    remember where.

    Susan

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  8. RBR
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    George Cherry the wannabe vegan said:

    Nope, there are still concerns:

    1. Up to 30% of people ages 50 and over suffer form
    atrophic gastritis, a thinning of the stomach lining.
    This condition reduces the acid secretions that
    free B-12 from animal protein, so much less is
    absorbed by the small intestine. In addiction, lack
    of stomach juices may also allow the overgrowth
    of bacteria in the small intestine. The bacteria grab
    B-12 for their own purposes, leaving less for the
    intestine to absorb.

    2. Some people's stomachs don't make enough
    intrinsic factor; consequently they can't absorb
    enough B-12.

    3. Crohn's disease might cause a B-12 shortage
    because it interferes with the functioning of the
    small intestine.

    So, I repeat: whether you are a meat-eater, a vegetarian,
    or a vegan, it's a good Scientific Medical Nutritional
    policy to take a B-12 supplement, since the supplement
    is very inexpensive, and even very large doses of the
    vitamin don't seem to pose any danger.

    Unless I have a known deficiency I do not need to supplement. Last
    year's blood work showed my B-12 to be excellent. I have no problem
    with supplementation, especially if you're a vegan (or wannabe vegan).

    RBR

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