Wobbly Hub

Keith Willoughby said:

So, I left. This time, I'm *definitely* not going back.
Tongwynlais Cyclecare, people. Not recommended.

You are not the only one. I read with great interest a
thread all about this shop on the Cycling Plus forum. I
can't find it now, though. Will post it when I find it --
actually it's very funny -- you should only go there when
there's a hat in the shop window!

Here:

cyclingplus.co.uktopic.aspOpen ↗
OPIC_ID=17887&SearchTerms=tongwynlais

Read it to the end to find out about the mysterious hat!

Sorry, it's this one:

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Simon

Simonb said:

Keith Willoughby said:

So, I left. This time, I'm *definitely* not going back.
Tongwynlais Cyclecare, people. Not recommended.

You are not the only one. I read with great interest a
thread all about this shop on the Cycling Plus forum. I
can't find it now, though. Will post it when I find it

Yeah, please do. I'm glad to see it's not just me.

I bought my clipless pedals and shoes down in Reg
Braddick's, in Cardiff. The service in there was absolutely
first class, and I thanked the guy and told him he was
nothing like "the miserable git" in Tongwynlais. He snorted,
I asked him if he knew the other guy, he said "no, but I've
heard of him".

Quoted message said:

-- actually it's very funny -- you should only go there
when there's a hat in the shop window!

!!

--
Keith Willoughby flat222.orgkeithOpen ↗
Speicherzugriffsfehler

Simonb said:

Sorry, it's this one:

mtb-mtb-Open ↗
wales.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=XForum&file=viewthr-
ead&tid=2017#pid27096

Ha! Yup, exactly my experiences. I'll have to look out for
the hat . . .

They're right about the thousands of quids worth of bikes
going past his shop, too. I've seen several people in MTB
gear, Camelbaks, and very expensive-looking full-sus bikes
going past, presumably up to Castell Coch. (One of them did
some very impressive-but-posy jumps over the many speed-
humps through the village)

--
Keith Willoughby flat222.orgkeithOpen ↗ Husker Du Du Du,
Captain Beefheart, ELO

Keith Willoughby:

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So, I still have a wobbly hub. If it needs stripping, I
might as well do it myself, I guess.

I was surprised at how easy a job it turned out to be when I
did it. The thing to remember is when you remove the axle,
be careful not to lose any bearings that may fall out.

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A couple of cone spanners (or would one cone spanner and
an adjustable do?).

I managed it without cone spanners. Not ideal though. Aside
from simple trial-and-error, I'm afraid I don't know how you
work out what size spanner you need. You should be OK with
just one spanner though - You won't be able to use a second
spanner anyway since you'll need one hand free to stop the
axle rotating.

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Grease.

Yup. Others know more about this than me, but I use a
standard all-purpose grease with teflon. Make sure you
don't put too much grease in the bearing races or it will
just ooze out all over the place when you put the wheel
back together.

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A casette removing tool?

You won't need to remove the cassette to service the hub. I
think. Maybe it depends on the wheel. I managed to service
my rear wheel without removing the freewheel. It was a bit
fiddly reaching inside to clean and grease the bearing
track but not actually difficult. I think with freehubs the
bearings are closer to the end of the axle, making it
easier still.

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How do I find out what kind I need?

They are standard shapes. You need to look at the shape of
the inner perimeter of the locknut to work out which tool
you need. More info here, including pictures to help you
correctly identify what you've got - chances are it's a
shimano hyperglide:
<URL:http://www.parktool.com/repair_help/FAQcogs.shtml>

And here are their instructions on hub servicing - again,
with pictures:
<URL:http://www.parktool.com/repair_help/howfix_hub.shtml>

d.

me:

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You won't need to remove the cassette to service the hub.
I think. Maybe

it

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depends on the wheel.

I just noticed the Park site says you *do* need to remove
the cassette to service a freehub type wheel.

d.

davek said:

Keith Willoughby:

Quoted message said:

So, I still have a wobbly hub. If it needs stripping, I
might as well do it myself, I guess.

I was surprised at how easy a job it turned out to be
when I did it. The thing to remember is when you remove
the axle, be careful not to lose any bearings that may
fall out.

Indeed..

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A couple of cone spanners (or would one cone spanner and
an adjustable do?).

I managed it without cone spanners. Not ideal though.
Aside from simple trial-and-error, I'm afraid I don't know
how you work out what size spanner you need.

Cone spanners are well worth it. Don't buy the cheap ones
which are [censored]. The shimano ones or the park ones are great.

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You should be OK with just one spanner though - You won't
be able to use a second spanner anyway since you'll need
one hand free to stop the axle rotating.

don't understand this at all. One spanner one side of the
wheel, one the other. No bother. You should only need to
undo one side. I find it easier to do the non-cassette side.

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Grease

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Yup. Others know more about this than me, but I use a
standard all-purpose grease with teflon. Make sure you
don't put too much grease in the bearing races or it will
just ooze out all over the place when you put the wheel
back together.

When you have removed all the balls and the axle, clean out
the bearing races. Check the axle to see if it is bent. Look
at the bearing races to see if they are pitted (on cones and
cups). Then put a thick smear of grease in the bearing cups
and the balls should stick to this while you put the axle
in. Don't worry about putting too much grease in, the more
the merrier (and messier).

Bear in mind that some greases contain compounds that should
not have skin contact for prolonged periods. Cleanliness is
next to godliness.

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A casette removing tool?

Won't need it. Don't need to take the cassette off.

..d

David Martin:

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don't understand this at all. One spanner one side of the
wheel, one the other. No bother.

Maybe it's just me, but I found that when I tried to turn
the cone, the whole axle assembly turned, so I had to hold
the axle itself while I unscrewed the cone.

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You should only need to undo one side. I find it easier to
do the non-cassette side.

Indeed. Leaving one cone in situ also helps when putting
everything back together - no need to worry about getting
the spacing right.

d.

davek said:

David Martin:

Cheers fellas!

Anyone know if Halfords sell decent cone spanners? As I'm
boycotting obnoxious LBS, Halfords is now the easiest
place to go.

--
Keith Willoughby flat222.orgkeithOpen ↗ Votad Al
Frente Popular

davek said:

me:

Quoted message said:

You won't need to remove the cassette to service the hub.
I think. Maybe

it

Quoted message said:

depends on the wheel.

I just noticed the Park site says you *do* need to remove
the cassette to service a freehub type wheel.

Only if you are fully servicing it (ie freehub bearings),
not to just do the axle and bearings.

Either that or I just do magic because I don't need to take
the cassette off.

..d

davek said:

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don't understand this at all. One spanner one side of the
wheel, one the other. No bother.

Maybe it's just me, but I found that when I tried to turn
the cone, the whole axle assembly turned, so I had to hold
the axle itself while I unscrewed the cone.

Cone spanner on cone. Other spanner on lock nut. No worries.

Then when they are loose, spanner on tight cone/locknut,
turn the loose oens off with the other spanner.

..d

On 2/6/04 1:50 pm, in article [email hidden], "Keith

Willoughby said:

davek said:

David Martin:

Cheers fellas!

Anyone know if Halfords sell decent cone spanners? As I'm
boycotting obnoxious LBS, Halfords is now the easiest
place to go.

Only if they are teh Park or shimano ones. The cheap ones I
had (that were a waste of money and totally useless) were
from Halfords in about 1990ish.

Wiggle do the Park ones. You can get away with just one,
though I prefer to have two. At a guess you should get the
13-14mm one, though getting both the 13-14 and 15-16 (one of
each) will cover you.

..d

Keith Willoughby said:

I have Zinn to guide me, but just to check with you lot -
what do I need?

A couple of cone spanners (or would one cone spanner and
an adjustable do?). Are there any clever ways I can find
out what size spanner I need, rather than trying to find
a ruler and measuring it, with all the innacuracy
involved there?

Keith, get a pair of cone spanners from Mike Dyasons (not
expensive), plus two ordinary spanners that fit your
locknuts. Adjustable spanner(s) can be used intead but it's
much easier with normal spanners. See Sheldon Brown's
instructions (and clever tricks on using two spanners of the
same size simultanously) for adjusting cones. They work!

These particular cone spanners have multi sizes - they're
bound to suit. Get a set of basic spanners for the
locknuts. One of them hopefully will fit, then buy another
single spanner or use an adjustable one in addition. They
will be metric.

Sorry I haven't got time for providing URLs now. Google!
Good luck!

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Grease.

Ordinary waterproof general purpose grease will do, or get
some bike brand from another bike shop or Halfrauds.

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A casette removing tool? How do I find out what kind I
need? Hell, how do I tell a casette from a free-wheel
type? (It's a ~5 year old Giant MTB, 7 speed cogs)

See Sheldon brown for distinguising them. Get chainwhip and
cassette remover from Dyason's (the one type they have suits
Shimano), but if freewheel, you'll need a different tool and
a lot of force. A vice helps. Could instead get a bike shop
to remove it for you, then do rest of work yourself.

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A chain whip? Or am I barking up the wrong tree with that?

Needed to remove cassette only (not freewheel).

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Anything else?

That'll do I think.

~PB

David Martin said:

On 2/6/04 1:50 pm, in article
[email hidden], "Keith Willoughby"

Quoted message said:

Anyone know if Halfords sell decent cone spanners? As I'm
boycotting obnoxious LBS, Halfords is now the easiest
place to go.

Only if they are teh Park or shimano ones. The cheap ones
I had (that were a waste of money and totally useless)
were from Halfords in about 1990ish.

Ah, OK. I might take a wander over anyway.

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Wiggle do the Park ones. You can get away with just one,
though I prefer to have two. At a guess you should get the
13-14mm one, though getting both the 13-14 and 15-16 (one
of each) will cover you.

I just found some crappy spanners, and it appears that it's
a 15mm. (The 14 is too small. The 15 would be the right size
if the spanner wasn't so crappy)

If Halfords doesn't have good ones, I'll get a 13/15 or
15/16 from Wiggle. I can use an adjustable for the
locknut, I guess.

--
Keith Willoughby flat222.orgkeithOpen ↗ What ain't we
got? We ain't got mates

"David Martin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

On 2/6/04 1:50 pm, in article
[email hidden], "Keith Willoughby"

Quoted message said:

davek said:

David Martin:

Cheers fellas!

Anyone know if Halfords sell decent cone spanners? As
I'm boycotting

obnoxious

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

LBS, Halfords is now the easiest place to go.

Only if they are teh Park or shimano ones. The cheap ones
I had (that were a waste of money and totally useless)
were from Halfords in about 1990ish.

Halfords do sell the Park stuff.

Quoted message said:

Wiggle do the Park ones. You can get away with just one,
though I prefer to have two. At a guess you should get the
13-14mm one, though getting both the 13-14 and 15-16 (one
of each) will cover you.

Park used to do a set of two identical spanners, on one end
a 13/15 and the other a 14/16. They work well.
--
Mark South: World Citizen, Net Denizen

On 2/6/04 3:23 pm, in article [email hidden], "Keith

Willoughby said:

I just found some crappy spanners, and it appears that
it's a 15mm. (The 14 is too small. The 15 would be the
right size if the spanner wasn't so crappy)

Use the crappy spanner for the locknut (should be 15mm) and
the shiny new cone spanner for the cone. Adjustables are the
produce of stan (though I have a number of them up to 18"
stilsons. Not quite as bad as my dad who has some 30"
stilsons. ouch!)

..d

"David Martin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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On 2/6/04 3:23 pm, in article
[email hidden], "Keith Willoughby"

Quoted message said:

I just found some crappy spanners, and it appears that
it's a 15mm. (The 14 is too small. The 15 would be the
right size if the spanner wasn't so crappy)

Use the crappy spanner for the locknut (should be 15mm)
and the shiny new cone spanner for the cone.

Correct.

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Adjustables are the produce of stan

Not well-made ones. Look at those made by Bahco sometime.
--
Mark South: World Citizen, Net Denizen, Tool User

Keith Willoughby <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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I went in, told him what the problem was, and asked him to
adjust the cone. He told me he'd have to strip it down to
find out the problem. Fair enough, I thought. I'd rather
he just tightened it a bit to see if that worked, but his
way was the right way to go. He then told me that if there
was a problem in the hub, it wouldn't go back together.

How could it not go back together? If you bring a rideable
wheel to a decent bike mechanic he should be able to get
inside the hub and at least put it back into a similarly
rideable mode for you, no matter what horror stories he
finds inside. (Short of needing an oxy-acetylene torch to
get inside it.) You really do need to learn to service your
own wheels to free yourself from this sort of nonsense.

--
Dave...