yet another sucker?

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Mike J-<< My memory is failing me... what were the Record hubs with Ti
axles
called? >><BR><BR>

The group was collectively called 'Record TI', with lots of ti bits, rear
der,
brakes, etc. Came out in 1996, adios by 1998.

I was thinking something much earlier, maybe late-70s. But I could be
thinking completely wrong too.

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.combene"

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Mike J-<< My memory is failing me... what were the Record

hubs with Ti

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axles
called? >><BR><BR>

The group was collectively called 'Record TI', with lots of

ti bits, rear

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der,
brakes, etc. Came out in 1996, adios by 1998.

I was thinking something much earlier, maybe late-70s. But I

could be

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thinking completely wrong too.

1974, Catalog 17 has the Super Record hubs with the Ti spindles.
The other posts indicate that they were supplied OEM to a limited
number of builders. My recollection is that they never got to
the mass market. -- Jay Beattie.

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Mike J-<< My memory is failing me... what were the Record

hubs with Ti

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

axles
called? >><BR><BR>

The group was collectively called 'Record TI', with lots of

ti bits, rear

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

der,
brakes, etc. Came out in 1996, adios by 1998.

I was thinking something much earlier, maybe late-70s. But I

could be

Quoted message said:

thinking completely wrong too.

1974, Catalog 17 has the Super Record hubs with the Ti spindles.
The other posts indicate that they were supplied OEM to a limited
number of builders. My recollection is that they never got to
the mass market. -- Jay Beattie.

Jay, your recollection is correct;
and I'm sure we all know the answer why they were dropped.
See link 1974:
http://www.firstflightbikes.com/campagno.htm
-tom

14 Dec 2004 02:21:55 -0600 A Muzi said:

Mike Jacoubowsky said:

My memory is failing me... what were the Record hubs with Ti axles called?

They were called "o.e.m. only" to a few Italian builders.
Rumor has it that the Super Record hub only went to 1000
pairs. So there were 'virtually' no Super Record.

When Mazi California opened, we had 2 of the very new Super Record
Gruppos sent over in the summer of '73 as samples. Later, we started
getting Gruppos by the crateloads and those all got mixed together.
The guy who was building wheels somewhat later on commented that a
couple of the hubs felt "a little bit light." Most of us didn't
believe him, so these hubs got built into production wheels and were
sent out with random early Mazis.

It is likely that there are 4 Campy Nuovo Record hubs out there, on 4
different Mazi Gran Criteriums, with titanium axles, and the owner has
no idea that he has something special.

I'm sure those are the only ones I've ever seen, and I didn't even
know it at the time.

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Jim Adney [email hidden]
Madison, WI 53711 USA
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14 Dec 2004 02:21:55 -0600 A Muzi said:

Mike Jacoubowsky said:

My memory is failing me... what were the Record hubs with Ti axles

called?

Quoted message said:

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They were called "o.e.m. only" to a few Italian builders.
Rumor has it that the Super Record hub only went to 1000
pairs. So there were 'virtually' no Super Record.

When Mazi California opened, we had 2 of the very new Super Record
Gruppos sent over in the summer of '73 as samples. Later, we started
getting Gruppos by the crateloads and those all got mixed together.
The guy who was building wheels somewhat later on commented that a
couple of the hubs felt "a little bit light." Most of us didn't
believe him, so these hubs got built into production wheels and were
sent out with random early Mazis.

It is likely that there are 4 Campy Nuovo Record hubs out there, on 4
different Mazi Gran Criteriums, with titanium axles, and the owner has
no idea that he has something special.

I'm sure those are the only ones I've ever seen, and I didn't even
know it at the time.

-
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Jim Adney [email hidden]
Madison, WI 53711 USA
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Well Jim, quite an honor to finally meet you, glad to see you're still with
cycling after all these years.
I noticed you spelled Masi with a "Z" Mazi, is there a reason for that? I've
always thought it to be Masi California. Also when you were making frames
for Masi did you get a chance to work with Mario Confente? I'm just curious
with a physics major why you chose to build frames?
-tom

16 Dec 2004 06:52:43 -0800 'Tom Nakashima said:

Well Jim, quite an honor to finally meet you, glad to see you're still with
cycling after all these years.

I went back to physics as a vocation, but I still love bikes and
biking.

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I noticed you spelled Masi with a "Z" Mazi, is there a reason for that? I've
always thought it to be Masi California. Also when you were making frames
for Masi did you get a chance to work with Mario Confente? I'm just curious
with a physics major why you chose to build frames?

Sorry, the Z was just brain fade.

Yes, I worked with Mario. He taught me frame brazing. He was quite an
interesting guy, and I was in a real funk when I heard that he had
died so young, He was just one year older than me.

I've always been attracted by mechanical things, and bicycles combine
external apparent simplicity with great internal hidden subtleties.
People who think they are actually simple are only scratching the
surface.

Physics is the practice of digging below the surface, but if you work
at SLAC you already know that.

My jigs are currently dormant, but I still have them. Someday I hope
to retire and go back to this simpler art form, hoping that lugged
frames and the appreciation of frames as both an esthetic and a
mechanical engineering endeavor may someday return.

I realize that the chances of this are slim. ;-)

-
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Jim Adney [email hidden]
Madison, WI 53711 USA
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end of story

the seller insisted that i got everything wrong and shouldn't have bid
in the first place. after proving his all his (many)arguments wrong,
repeatedly, with net refernces including to this thraed, he finally
admited that his description "was not perfect".
he then offered refund for the hubs' price and later also of 8$ of the
16$ of shipping or half the shipping cost if i buy something else from
him (yes, sure)
not too kind of his behalf concidering he paid only 10$ for stamps.
tired of arguing and concerned that more mishaps will happen if i start
sending more packages across the globe, i said no thanks and left it
this way. oddly enough, this guy has 100% positive feedback. i guess
this does not tell it all

dan

dan_s said:

i admit bought these hubs (staring at my shoes)
http://mas1.bezeqint.net/cgi-bin/fetch.cgi?url=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi.ebay.com%2Fws%2FeBayISAPI.dll%3FViewItem%26item%3D7115403376

never having campy equipment before i just looked at the text, believing
i bought record hubs. however there is no mention of "record" or any
other model on the hubs, and doing some googling, i found record hubs
don't look like those i bought.
the seller claims this:
"These are as stated "Tipo Record". Was like Nuovo record for brief
period"
i found no support to that
can anyone tell if these are RECORD hubs or not
thanks
dan

end of story

the seller insisted that i got everything wrong and shouldn't have bid
in the first place. after proving his all his (many)arguments wrong,
repeatedly, with net refernces including to this thraed, he finally
admited that his description "was not perfect".
he then offered refund for the hubs' price and later also of 8$ of the
16$ of shipping or half the shipping cost if i buy something else from
him (yes, sure)
not too kind of his behalf concidering he paid only 10$ for stamps.
tired of arguing and concerned that more mishaps will happen if i start
sending more packages across the globe, i said no thanks and left it
this way. oddly enough, this guy has 100% positive feedback. i guess
this does not tell it all

dan

dan_s said:

i admit bought these hubs (staring at my shoes)
http://mas1.bezeqint.net/cgi-bin/fetch.cgi?url=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi.ebay.com%2Fws%2FeBayISAPI.dll%3FViewItem%26item%3D7115403376

never having campy equipment before i just looked at the text, believing
i bought record hubs. however there is no mention of "record" or any
other model on the hubs, and doing some googling, i found record hubs
don't look like those i bought.
the seller claims this:
"These are as stated "Tipo Record". Was like Nuovo record for brief
period"
i found no support to that
can anyone tell if these are RECORD hubs or not
thanks
dan

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From: dan_s [email hidden]

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oddly enough, this guy has 100% positive feedback

Still?

dan_s said:

end of story

the seller insisted that i got everything wrong and shouldn't have bid in
the first place. after proving all his (many) arguments wrong, repeatedly,
with net refernces including to this thraed, he finally admited that his
description "was not perfect".
he then offered refund for the hubs' price and later also of 8$ of the 16$
of shipping or half the shipping cost if i buy something else from him
(yes, sure)

That sounds very fair. Had you ever heard of "Tipo Record?" Neither have I.
Did you research whether such a model existed, or better yet ask the seller
for clarification before bidding? Obviously not. So I think you were at
least partially at fault for bidding on something you didn't understand.

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tired of arguing and concerned that more mishaps will happen if i start
sending more packages across the globe, i said no thanks and left it this
way.

Well you can't get a refund if you're not willing to send the package
"across the globe." What kind of settlement would have satisfied you? If
you're going to keep the hubs, you should have asked for a partial refund.
I've done that a couple of times when I felt I received an item that wasn't
exactly as described, and was always able to work out a fair settlement.

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oddly enough, this guy has 100% positive feedback. i guess this does not
tell it all

I see a lot of old Campy stuff (e.g., seat posts) listed on eBay where the
seller states "I'm not really sure what model this is." That's probably what
this seller should have done. And you probably should have done more
homework. Since he offered you a refund, I don't think he deserves a
"negative" feedback.

Art Harris

From: "Arthur Harris"

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Since he offered you a refund, I don't think he deserves a
"negative" feedback.

Perhaps an artfully worded "neutral"? Or "none"? --TP