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Phil, Non-Squid wrote:
> Jay Beattie wrote:
>> On Apr 13, 7:57 pm, "G.T." <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> "Tim McNamara" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> In article <[email protected]>,
>>>> "G.T." <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>> Jay Beattie wrote:
>>>>>> On Apr 13, 8:39 am, [email protected] (Donald Gillies) wrote:
>>>>>>> [email protected] writes:
>>>>>>>> Did anyone notice that while a lightly used Cinelli Super Corsa
>>>>>>>> sold a few weeks ago for something like $6,200 not a single bit
>>>>>>>> was placed on a NOS Masi Gran Criterium starting at $4,900?
>>>>>>> This is not too surprising. I have heard many people talk about
>>>>>>> a 'magic carpet ride' on a classiccinelli. i have also heard
>>>>>>> others - people who have ridden hundreds of masi's - say that
>>>>>>> the smaller masi's have a very harsh ride.
>>>>>>> And again, production of the California MASI's probably exceeds
>>>>>>> that of Cinelli supercorsas, and so the higher price reflects the
>>>>>>> rarity.
>>>>>> To me "collecting" a bike is creepy. I don't want to be a curator.
>>>>>> I would only buy one to ride it, and those Italian frames of the
>>>>>> '70s had short top tubes in the large sizes and would not be
>>>>>> comfortable for me now. They also weighed a ton, and not
>>>>>> withstanding the constant chatter that weight means nothing, it
>>>>>> does.
>>>>> It doesn't unless you're carrying your bike.
>>>> Or if you're climbing.
>>> Ok, I should have qualified that.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Weight matters. It's just that the vast majority of us could lose
>>>> the weight off our bodies and be way ahead of the game, compared to
>>>> spending hundreds or thousands of dollars to save a pound of bike
>>>> weight.
>>>> We also exaggerate how much weight matters. I notice the difference
>>>> with 15 pounds in a saddlebag on a bike tour- my average speeds are
>>>> 1-2 mph lower over rolling terrain and I am much more tired at the
>>>> end of the ride than usual. But I don't notice a difference of 1
>>>> pound. In fact I'm not sure where that threshold is.
>>> My Camelbak varies by up to 4 pounds not counting the water, never
>>> notice a difference in average speeds or my ability to get up hills.
>>> Other factors affect my rides much more than my pack or bike weight.
>> I think tire dimension and inflation have a greater effect on ride
>> quality than minor differences in frame or equipment weight. I also
>> find it hard to climb on bikes that are limber in the front end
>> because I like to climb out of the saddle. With that said, my '70s SP
>> 63cm racing bike with NR equipment was noticeably heavier and harder
>> to ride up hill than my current Cannondale racing bike, which is
>> probably three pounds lighter. Both bikes are similarly stiff (one
>> forgets how stiff SP is/was). I think three pounds on a skinny-tire
>> bike makes a difference on long climbs -- all other things being
>> equal.-- Jay Beattie.
>
> Lightweights like me really notice weight differences right off the bat,
> esp. for MTB due to the rolling terrain... Being able to surmount
> off-camber obstacles at a steep grade is much easier, or just plain doable
> for that matter.
How much do you weigh? 30 lbs?
Greg
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> Jay Beattie wrote:
>> On Apr 13, 7:57 pm, "G.T." <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> "Tim McNamara" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> In article <[email protected]>,
>>>> "G.T." <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>> Jay Beattie wrote:
>>>>>> On Apr 13, 8:39 am, [email protected] (Donald Gillies) wrote:
>>>>>>> [email protected] writes:
>>>>>>>> Did anyone notice that while a lightly used Cinelli Super Corsa
>>>>>>>> sold a few weeks ago for something like $6,200 not a single bit
>>>>>>>> was placed on a NOS Masi Gran Criterium starting at $4,900?
>>>>>>> This is not too surprising. I have heard many people talk about
>>>>>>> a 'magic carpet ride' on a classiccinelli. i have also heard
>>>>>>> others - people who have ridden hundreds of masi's - say that
>>>>>>> the smaller masi's have a very harsh ride.
>>>>>>> And again, production of the California MASI's probably exceeds
>>>>>>> that of Cinelli supercorsas, and so the higher price reflects the
>>>>>>> rarity.
>>>>>> To me "collecting" a bike is creepy. I don't want to be a curator.
>>>>>> I would only buy one to ride it, and those Italian frames of the
>>>>>> '70s had short top tubes in the large sizes and would not be
>>>>>> comfortable for me now. They also weighed a ton, and not
>>>>>> withstanding the constant chatter that weight means nothing, it
>>>>>> does.
>>>>> It doesn't unless you're carrying your bike.
>>>> Or if you're climbing.
>>> Ok, I should have qualified that.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Weight matters. It's just that the vast majority of us could lose
>>>> the weight off our bodies and be way ahead of the game, compared to
>>>> spending hundreds or thousands of dollars to save a pound of bike
>>>> weight.
>>>> We also exaggerate how much weight matters. I notice the difference
>>>> with 15 pounds in a saddlebag on a bike tour- my average speeds are
>>>> 1-2 mph lower over rolling terrain and I am much more tired at the
>>>> end of the ride than usual. But I don't notice a difference of 1
>>>> pound. In fact I'm not sure where that threshold is.
>>> My Camelbak varies by up to 4 pounds not counting the water, never
>>> notice a difference in average speeds or my ability to get up hills.
>>> Other factors affect my rides much more than my pack or bike weight.
>> I think tire dimension and inflation have a greater effect on ride
>> quality than minor differences in frame or equipment weight. I also
>> find it hard to climb on bikes that are limber in the front end
>> because I like to climb out of the saddle. With that said, my '70s SP
>> 63cm racing bike with NR equipment was noticeably heavier and harder
>> to ride up hill than my current Cannondale racing bike, which is
>> probably three pounds lighter. Both bikes are similarly stiff (one
>> forgets how stiff SP is/was). I think three pounds on a skinny-tire
>> bike makes a difference on long climbs -- all other things being
>> equal.-- Jay Beattie.
>
> Lightweights like me really notice weight differences right off the bat,
> esp. for MTB due to the rolling terrain... Being able to surmount
> off-camber obstacles at a steep grade is much easier, or just plain doable
> for that matter.
How much do you weigh? 30 lbs?
Greg
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